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Vaccine
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kickingandscreaming
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Remember when several on here supported the idea that the vaccine gives greater protection than being previously infected? Yeah, no. That never passed the smell test, but it was quickly supported by the authoritarians here - @dad4, @espola, @EOTL and his spawn.
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It will be interesting to see where the data leads w.r.t. athletes and young people dropping dead and/or having cardiac episodes. Experts indicated rather early in the vaccine process that young men developed myocarditis at a concerning rate. The data will eventually be there for that question and many more. It could end a few careers. Of course, a looney tune like Paul Ehrlich still gets a platform to yell "fire" on 60 Minutes after having done so incorrectly multiple times, so who knows? But if you think Gio's mom was unhinged for what she did to Berhalter regarding his treatment of her son, wait until you see what happens if these moms and dads find out their boys and girls died from a vaccine they didn't need to take based on the risk profile. As usual, the only "winners" in this scenario will be the lawyers.
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Vaccination or Acquired Immunity. Which is Better?
The question of the protection afforded by COVID infection vs. the immunity conferred by the mRNA vaccines is still unsettled. A new study may put our concerns to rest. Spoiler alert: each form of immunity has its strengths.
It will be interesting to see where the data leads w.r.t. athletes and young people dropping dead and/or having cardiac episodes. Experts indicated rather early in the vaccine process that young men developed myocarditis at a concerning rate. The data will eventually be there for that question and many more. It could end a few careers. Of course, a looney tune like Paul Ehrlich still gets a platform to yell "fire" on 60 Minutes after having done so incorrectly multiple times, so who knows? But if you think Gio's mom was unhinged for what she did to Berhalter regarding his treatment of her son, wait until you see what happens if these moms and dads find out their boys and girls died from a vaccine they didn't need to take based on the risk profile. As usual, the only "winners" in this scenario will be the lawyers.
I'm surprised to find out that I am an authoritarian. You don't know me very well.Remember when several on here supported the idea that the vaccine gives greater protection than being previously infected? Yeah, no. That never passed the smell test, but it was quickly supported by the authoritarians here - @dad4, @espola, @EOTL and his spawn.
Science | AAAS
Vaccination or Acquired Immunity. Which is Better?
The question of the protection afforded by COVID infection vs. the immunity conferred by the mRNA vaccines is still unsettled. A new study may put our concerns to rest. Spoiler alert: each form of immunity has its strengths.
It will be interesting to see where the data leads w.r.t. athletes and young people dropping dead and/or having cardiac episodes. Experts indicated rather early in the vaccine process that young men developed myocarditis at a concerning rate. The data will eventually be there for that question and many more. It could end a few careers. Of course, a looney tune like Paul Ehrlich still gets a platform to yell "fire" on 60 Minutes after having done so incorrectly multiple times, so who knows? But if you think Gio's mom was unhinged for what she did to Berhalter regarding his treatment of her son, wait until you see what happens if these moms and dads find out their boys and girls died from a vaccine they didn't need to take based on the risk profile. As usual, the only "winners" in this scenario will be the lawyers.
Natural v/s vaccine immunity was only an argument pushed by the anti vax folks. We pro-vax folks were kind of confused that people were arguing that they wanted to get covid, so that they would become immune, so that they wouldn’t get covid. It is kind of like saying you’re going to shoot yourself in the foot so that you know not to shoot yourself in the foot.
The main pro vax argument had nothing to do with which type is better. The best argument was that the primary path to acquiring natural immunity has three nasty side effects. One- you get covid. Two- you spread covid to others. Three- you help incubate new covid variants.
I’m hoping we don’t see much of #3 coming out of China’s current wave. But we may. I still think they would have been better off paying for Moderna instead of using a cut rate domestic version.
From the article he cited but apparently didn't comprehend --
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If you are willing to risk hospitalization, death, or prolonged illness (currently termed Long COVID), then naturally acquired immunity will be more robust in protecting you from a second episode. It will not be as protective from the outcomes of that second infection. This is a real-world example of the tradeoff between “an abundance of caution” and rolling the viral dice that may or may not be loaded by your underlying frailty as measured by risk factors or your access to care.
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I love you brother. They "coerced" EVERYONE who wanted to play high level sports to be fully jabbed or no play. High level athletes are born with a rare instinct to work hard to win and a goal to be their best and ain't nothing going to stop that for 99%. "They" also coerced us parents to take the jabs or we would be fired and lose EVERYTHING we worked so hard to achieve. Our kids saw the stress on mom and dad. It was a tough choice and I saw good friends agonies over the decision, Jab or no Jab. Two years later and now these same friends have had adverse reactions that have caused Blood Clots, Massice Cardiac Arrest, Cardiac Arrest, Heart Attacks, Myocarditis, Bells, the thing Justin, Katie and Celine have and sometimes death. Cardiac Arrest in young athlete's in their prime needs to be looked at 100%. Kids walking to class and then dying needs to be looked at 100%. Healthy 50 year old's dying in their sleep peacefully needs to be looked at 100%. The first step in humility 101 is to utter the three magic words: I Was Wrong or I Am Sorry or Please Forgive Me or I Forgive You or I Love You.Remember when several on here supported the idea that the vaccine gives greater protection than being previously infected? Yeah, no. That never passed the smell test, but it was quickly supported by the authoritarians here - @dad4, @espola, @EOTL and his spawn.
Science | AAAS
Vaccination or Acquired Immunity. Which is Better?
The question of the protection afforded by COVID infection vs. the immunity conferred by the mRNA vaccines is still unsettled. A new study may put our concerns to rest. Spoiler alert: each form of immunity has its strengths.
It will be interesting to see where the data leads w.r.t. athletes and young people dropping dead and/or having cardiac episodes. Experts indicated rather early in the vaccine process that young men developed myocarditis at a concerning rate. The data will eventually be there for that question and many more. It could end a few careers. Of course, a looney tune like Paul Ehrlich still gets a platform to yell "fire" on 60 Minutes after having done so incorrectly multiple times, so who knows? But if you think Gio's mom was unhinged for what she did to Berhalter regarding his treatment of her son, wait until you see what happens if these moms and dads find out their boys and girls died from a vaccine they didn't need to take based on the risk profile. As usual, the only "winners" in this scenario will be the lawyers.
After finding that inner peace, we need to wake up and lead with Empathy, Forgiveness, Grace and Mercy. I have news for everyone on here. Karma is coming and no one will escape it's pain. Justice Is Coming and for some, Justice is here and for others, justice came and they are gone. "Blessed for those who mourn, for they will be comforted." Pay To Play was how we were all taught to play. Tel A Vision played a big roll into shaping us. I hated school and just day dreamed of playing professional sports as I looked out my 6th grade window at the playground and the Pacific Ocean in the back drop. Another schoolmate dreamed of being on the Supreme Court some day and by golly, he might just do it. I had another pal dream about being a top lawyer and boy is he. Still another who dreamed of being a top Realtor and he's one of the top and the list goes on and on. Something very wrong happen to all of us. 4-6% are lost forever. They (Klause and Krew at WEF)) wanted to de-populate the world and start all over with just the top bloodlines, their family and some of their friends in high places and a few really good ass kissers. From what I have read and saw, this group was well on it's way to achieving their goals and bought, bribed and blackmailed just about everyone. As sick as this sounds and harder to believe, it get's worse bro and will get worse before things get better. 4-6% is better than 95% wiped off with a deadly Kool Aid shot that we all would have been forced to drink. Sometimes great leaders with good hearts have only two bad choices to choose and both will result in high death and you have to pick one over the other and no turning back. Thank God for people like me and I say that with humility. Their is a group of humans who said no to the jabs for some reason and lost their lively hood and some lost college scholarship and pay checks because they saw what most did not see. This does not make me or them better than anyone who took the jabs, but we should be thanked. Without folks like me, we would not have the data and the live test to see the results.
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SILVER ELITE
complete nonsense, what is up with your logic? You are still on the vax healthy people train? Even with all of the data available? Your "chops" should help with decision making after you've analyzed the vax data.
What is the "main pro vax argument"? Wasn't it prevent transmission and provide immunity for all? That went down the toilet rather quickly. What was the argument after that? Reduction in severity of disease? That also went down the toilet once the mutation party started. mRNA doesn't keep up, it just doesn't.
Extremists on both sides (pro/anti vax). Logical people who understand science/medicine understand the tools of their trade - vax those most vulnerable, leave healthy people alone. If you haven't contracted covid, you will, whether you are vaxed or not.
Current strains don't care about vaccines, they easily evade them.
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SILVER ELITE
you are a crack up.
In your post, you claim that current strains are unaffected by vaccines, and that we should vaccinate the elderly.
How the heck does that make any sense? It’s not even internally consistent. If vaccines don’t work at all, how would they protect the vulnerable?
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SILVER ELITE
Oh E....
Anyway, nuance is certainly a thing and not your strong suit. I love the fact that this is your take away. Little o and it's babies are really good at evading vaccine and natural immunity, really good. so good in fact that that the disease isn't as severe. The elderly, and the immune compromised benefit some what from vaccine induced immunity, with consistent boosting of course. It's unfortunate that in the US, we don't really adhere to extended dosing intervals, which always, always makes vaccination more effective.
The vaccines don't really work but they work well enough for some...but you have to boost away. Emerging data clearly shows boosting could be having a negative impact on the immune system, putting us in a dangerous loop. Boost the elderly, they have a limited time on this planet, protect the young and healthy, don't compromise their immune system. I can't believe parents are still walking in and demanding boosters for their kids...and that universities are demanding boosters, especially for athletes. Sad state of affairs that will play out over the next few decades. I feel sad for those parents who were pressured into vaccinating their children and did so. Anecdotal evidence and research data will soon merge and people are going to be pissed.
Mad Hatter
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Opinion | How Deadly Were the Covid Lockdowns?
For Americans under 45, there were more excess deaths without the virus in 2020-21 than with it.
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I feel sad for you.
Multi Sport
DA
That's exactly what a liar like you would say...
Multi Sport
DA
E is more like a hack...
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SILVER ELITE
how sweet of you, i didn't know you had a sensitive side OR Is this your coping mechanism when you've run out of things to say? What part stumped you? The part where you've been a kid vax believer and just can't see why anyone would disagree with someone who crazily thinks vaccinating a healthy kid for no reason at all is nonsense? Let me hear your reason for healthy people vaccination. Are you trying to prevent someone from passing something to someone else?
Almost 100% of children who have received vaccinations in the history of vaccinations have been healthy at the time.
Almost 100% is not good enough. Plus, were finding out things about jabs from the past that cause Autism and other issues. I was jabbed a few times but not much. I never took flu shot and was 100% big fat no this round. Look Espola, go down with the ship captain. It's obvious you don't no anyone who has died or became very ill from the jabs. The more you take, the higher the risk of something terrible happening. 99.5% nothing can happen is better than almost 100%. I just heard about another teen stud who had heart problems and had to stop playing sports.
