You probably draw more of a distinction than you realize.
Closing schools and cancelling senior citizen cruises count equally as "lockdowns", by your definition.
I would guess that you do not consider them to be equally justified.
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Closing schools and cancelling senior citizen cruises count equally as "lockdowns", by your definition.
I would guess that you do not consider them to be equally justified.
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The Huanan market was the epicenter of SARS-CoV-2 emergence
Geographical clustering of the earliest known COVID-19 cases and the proximity of positive environmental samples to live-animal vendors suggest that the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the site of origin of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Like I said before, I can appreciate the difference between your hypothetical scenario, however, I still would been against forced closure of both. Difference being I'd highly recommend healthy kids attend in person school, while I would not have recommend seniors going on a cruise pre-vaccine and therapeutics. A senior can make their own risk assessments and personal choices. Not my job or the government's.
If you really think we should have kept cruises open for senior citizens, then you and I are just on different planets.
Those things were giant floating petri dishes. A thousand people share air on the ship, then each couple brings it back to their retirement community. You couldn't ask for a more efficient way to spread a respiratory disease among people 55-75.
I think we established long ago that we're on different planets (although I'd say different countries). I suspect we have completely different life experiences and certainly sources of income which shape our perspectives.
Cruise ships certainly appear to be floating petri dishes, no doubt. Norovirus would be a far greater concern to me. Fortunately, the idea of being stuck on a floating hotel sounds dreadful to me. Not happening.
A senior could get the virus anywhere in public. I would certainly hope that a retirement home would have protocols in place to test for Covid before allowing a resident to return from extended travel. BTW, the CDC has ended its Covid cruise rules.
Beverly Hills, Pasadena, Long Beach and calabasas have all said they are going to defy the ferrer mask mandate. I don’t see how in those circumstances she’ll make a go of it and will have to climb down. She’s left herself some room to roll back if cases drop dramatically Thursday, but while they might fall I doubt it will be dramatically.
baldref
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I see your ignorance, hypocrisy, and moronic posts as funny. Very funny. Keep it up please.
That's an inadequate defense. You laughed at "Italy at the peak. Our good friend went home to take care of her mother in Italy for a few months and said it was taken very seriously."
Desert Hound
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To set the record straight you were a hardcore advocate of closing schools.
That despite the data clearly showings young people have no risk.
As we review the terrible outcomes of all these bad policies we see you supported pretty much every one.
Desert Hound
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Speaking of definitions ... Always interesting to see most of the press and how they report have little daylight between what they say and D talking points.
And now...
And now...
Desert Hound
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And the above example also relates to how the press largely reported on COVID, vaxxes, closures, etc. ...ie a rather one sided view.
Hüsker Dü
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Yeah I’m not seeing what part of that is laughable under the guidelines he set? Maybe he doesn’t understand having friends they aren’t “murican”?
Hüsker Dü
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You see it? But like LE you aren’t able to illustrate (use words) what you think you see. You are only capable of a visceral response.
Pot meet kettle?
Hüsker Dü
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Not being able to express one’s self must be frustrating.
At the time we closed the cruise lines, no retirement home had access to covid tests.
We just didn't have enough to waste them on people who weren't clearly sick. Not even if they were the governor of New York.
Still want to keep Princess Cruise lines open in April 2020? There was no way to test people when they got on the boat, and no way to test them when they returned. If the line is open, people get off the boat and bring covid straight to the retirement home.
It wouldn't have given me any heartburn to close cruise ships in April 2020. Like I said I give the first couple of months' policies a mulligan, including school closures. Maybe its more correct for me to say I opposed lockdowns that lasted more than the first couple of months.
However, you seem to make the assumption that without government intervention that their would have been no protocols followed by business. That couldn't have been farther from the truth as evidenced by essential businesses that took significant precautions even if they weren't mandated to do so. We were an essential business (although I'd argue far less essential than schools) we took precautions beyond what was required. Restaurants were more than willing to take the business outside if allowed among other precautions to remain open. Were there some businesses that might not have done so, sure those businesses that are not reputable and don't understand risk management. That happened whether they were forced by the government or not to close. Plenty of non-essential businesses open during the lockdowns, some who lived paycheck to paycheck had no choice, like many hairdressers.
I'm fairly confident that cruise ships would have delayed trips in the early months of the pandemic for risk management purposes, they didn't need the negative publicity of mass infections or deaths on their ships. A prudent business policy would have been a requirement for passengers to provide a negative Covid test.
To sum it up your apparent assumption is that businesses would have done nothing without government intervention to protect customers and employees is erroneous.
Your dependent on the government for your livelihood, so you sound more comfortable with government intervention into others lives as a result. Government and particularly bureaucrats are often a hindrance in my livelihood, so that's why we sound like were from different planets. Reality is that were just from different backgrounds.
Ha…you tell me.