Vaccine

[Grace T.]

I wasn’t in LA. SCC had about 2 months of lockdown. After that, people started going out and it wasn’t a lockdown.

Your “definition” isn’t a definition. It is an attempt to beat people about the head with a term regardless of the facts of the situation.

Still dancing I see.

It's a straight up question and I gave you the circumstances but you are refusing to say what in fact is a lockdown or what you mean by the word most....is it a lockdown, for example, if people can go walk in the park? My son and I spent the time in the park training by ourselves or just picnicking.....that a lockdown?

People only beat you over the head with it when you deserve it. It's not my fault you are getting constantly clobbered.

 

[watfly]

I wasn’t in LA. SCC had about 2 months of lockdown. After that, people started going out and it wasn’t a lockdown.

Your “definition” isn’t a definition. It is an attempt to beat people about the head with a term regardless of the facts of the situation.

I believe your position is we didn't do "real" lockdowns so you can't say lockdowns didn't work. That's largely irrelevant, we did what we did, call it lockdowns, restrictions, circle jerk or whatever. They didn't work in relation to the costs associated with those restrictions.

 

[Grace T.]

Or the term "secure" in reference to the border.

"transitory"

 

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[Grace T.]

I believe your position is we didn't do "real" lockdowns so you can't say lockdowns didn't work. That's largely irrelevant, we did what we did, call it lockdowns, restrictions, circle jerk or whatever. They didn't work in relation to the costs associated with those restrictions.

Yet he still always dances around the proposition of whether he thought what NZ and Australia did was good (while at the same time saying indoor dining shutdowns would have done it)

It's again a function that he hasn't been doing politics and policy here....he's been doing morality and religion.

 

[dad4]

I believe your position is we didn't do "real" lockdowns so you can't say lockdowns didn't work. That's largely irrelevant, we did what we did, call it lockdowns, restrictions, circle jerk or whatever. They didn't work in relation to the costs associated with those restrictions.

I just find it obnoxious that every single covid restriction gets called a lockdown.

It's not a lockdown every time a clerk asks someone to pull their mask back over their nose. That's a mask restriction, and a customer bring an a-hole about it.

 

[Grace T.]

I just find it obnoxious that every single covid restriction gets called a lockdown.

It's not a lockdown every time a clerk asks someone to pull their mask back over their nose. That's a mask restriction, and a customer bring an a-hole about it.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think many people would consider mask mandates = a lockdown. Where it gets trickier is the vax mandates.

Again, the test is socal at least is whether people are able to go to Disneyland.

And a reasonable test is whether people are able to attend weddings and schools.

 

[dad4]

Brix stated they knew from the beginning….you and I both know it was simply divisive false rhetoric.

As for the superpowers comment. Can you help us understand why they keep pushing boosters of the same old formula if it is useless against new strains like BA.5?

I can't help you understand the out of date boosters. Those should have been updated long ago.

My impression is that Atlas and Birx are just telling a story where they get to be the hero. I don't think either of them knew much about the expected mutation rate.

 

[Grace T.]

I can't help you understand the out of date boosters. Those should have been updated long ago.

My impression is that Atlas and Birx are just telling a story where they get to be the hero. I don't think either of them knew much about the expected mutation rate.

Evil goalie probably knows more than I but the issue with the boosters from what I understand, in the most basic of terms, is that the omicron kept mutating faster than they could test it, forcing them back to square one each time they got to the launch pad in compiling data.

I agree with your impression of Atlas and Birx that they are telling a story where they get to be the hero. But you can broadly put people into the "it will be over by summer 2021" camp (of which you were a part) and those that weren't (Atlas was probably one of the first as he pointed out there would likely be a likely animal reserve or may have even been one already if lab leak is incorrect and its origin was animal...I certainly wasn't there until a little before Delta). Birx has the additional motivation in that she is seeking redemption; Atlas the additional complication that a lot of it was Trump's fault because he was stupid but Atlas didn't want to come out and attack him.

 

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@Grace T.

 

[cheer4kids]

Kinda like the White House wants to redefine the word “recession”, huh?

Kind of like this thread's title - "Vaccine", too. They had to redefine "vaccine" in order for the jab to fit the definition. It's not a vaccine. It's why the jabbed are still getting and spreading Covid.

 

[watfly]

I just find it obnoxious that every single covid restriction gets called a lockdown.

It's not a lockdown every time a clerk asks someone to pull their mask back over their nose. That's a mask restriction, and a customer bring an a-hole about it.

For me a lockdown is any forced closure of schools, businesses or activities. That is a lockdown measure. In general, I would say our lockdowns were significant but not extreme in the case of some countries where you couldn't leave your house. However, the degree to which there was a lockdown is largely irrelevant to me.

Masks and vaccines aren't lockdowns and I don't think anyone claims they were.

 

[dad4]

Evil goalie probably knows more than I but the issue with the boosters from what I understand, in the most basic of terms, is that the omicron kept mutating faster than they could test it, forcing them back to square one each time they got to the launch pad in compiling data.

I agree with your impression of Atlas and Birx that they are telling a story where they get to be the hero. But you can broadly put people into the "it will be over by summer 2021" camp (of which you were a part) and those that weren't (Atlas was probably one of the first as he pointed out there would likely be a likely animal reserve or may have even been one already if lab leak is incorrect and its origin was animal...I certainly wasn't there until a little before Delta). Birx has the additional motivation in that she is seeking redemption; Atlas the additional complication that a lot of it was Trump's fault because he was stupid but Atlas didn't want to come out and attack him.

I understand the claim that omicron was mutating faster than we could test. But, as long as we were stuck being out of date, it does seem that we could at least be slightly less out of date.

Maybe the cross-immunity doesn’t work well for that argument. Beyond what I know.

 

[dad4]

For me a lockdown is any forced closure of schools, businesses or activities. That is a lockdown measure. In general, I would say our lockdowns were significant but not extreme in the case of some countries where you couldn't leave your house. However, the degree to which there was a lockdown is largely irrelevant to me.

Masks and vaccines aren't lockdowns and I don't think anyone claims they were.

Irrelevant?

A ban on indoor dining is clearly not the same as a shelter in place order where you can’t go for a walk. One rule offers you an outdoor table. The other bars you from leaving your house.

 

[watfly]

Irrelevant?

I can appreciate the significant difference but, yep, to me largely irrelevant. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with that sentiment.

I'm not saying lockdown and other measures didn't provide some health benefit, but I believe the costs far outweigh that benefit. I also still believe that blanket policies were grossly misguided. Combine that with the obvious credibility issues and you have a giant failure. Its one thing to not have the best data and to make good faith policies at the time, its a whole other issue to have the data and mislead the public. I can excuse the former but not the latter. I also can't excuse basing policy on lab results over real world results.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Irrelevant?

A ban on indoor dining is clearly not the same as a shelter in place order where you can’t go for a walk. One rule offers you an outdoor table. The other bars you from leaving your house.

Italy at the peak. Our good friend went home to take care of her mother in Italy for a few months and said it was taken very seriously.

 

[crush]

There was never a lockdown. Some of us were locked out because these people have been cheating and lying. No mask= no service ((locked out of eating and drinking at the bar)). Then it went to, no jabs=fired or locked out of working to pay mortgage and bills. Most said, "F it, give me the jabs so I can have my life back." I know 11 people who have died from natural causes since all this went down. Families even locked you out of family get together because of the Bullshit lies and fear based asshats. Hospitals locked you out to see loved one's before they died. These are ruthless psychopaths were all dealing with. All they do is lie, cheat, steal and lie some more and then project what they do back at you and laugh at you. We see them here. Well, this is not funny and what comes around goes around. They want your kids and you ALL will soon find out why. Some kids are locked out of school unless they wear a mask and take all jabs. Crazy times we live in.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

I see bald ref sees the horror Italians went through as funny.

 

[crush]

The worst part in all this is to see your co-workers get fired and most stood by and watched their pals lose everything. Some just put their heads down and went back to work. Owners of companies obeyed their masters and implemented this bullshit as well. Churches preached jab/mask or no fellowship. Appalling and weak sauce, moo!!

 

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Breaking News: Biden's DOJ Opens Investigation Into Pres. Trump For Alleged Attempt To Overturn 2020 Election.
Hunter? President Joe? This is gnarly stuff. Let's see how much hate you have for Trump this time. All eyes are watching everyone of you. Choose wisely frens. I just talked to my pal and he said all of this is Trumps fault. He wants his ass in jail and he wants his normal life back.