Vaccine

So "you guys" was not anyone you were addressing here in this thread? Just another of Grace's strawman ensembles?

Did you ever give a thought to those times when you spout "reading comprehension" that maybe it's just writing comprehension?
Not with you. This isn’t my only forum. Other than you and eotl and clones, most people around here (dad4 and crush included) are positively reasonable. You should see the nutjobs out there (including in the video post). I think it stems from most of us (you being the notable exception) having children of school age which keeps us grounded.
 
Not with you. This isn’t my only forum. Other than you and eotl and clones, most people around here (dad4 and crush included) are positively reasonable. You should see the nutjobs out there (including in the video post). I think it stems from most of us (you being the notable exception) having children of school age which keeps us grounded.

I'm reasonable. Perhaps you just don't like me pointing out how often you are wrong (such as e.g. the "you guys" comment).
 
Why can't you be inclusive of ivermectin? such a hater. vaccination, natural immunity, good masks - why not employ all of the tools in your tool box. I know it's a scary world outside of the FDA and CDC. Also, pay no mind to what's happening in Israel, bogus data for sure.

It's unproven for covid and dangerous in large doses. It has the advantage to the no-vax crowd in that it is available without a prescription and is relatively cheap -- just $10 for a horse-sized dose (you can figure out your own dosage with simple arithmetic, right?)
 
It's unproven for covid and dangerous in large doses. It has the advantage to the no-vax crowd in that it is available without a prescription and is relatively cheap -- just $10 for a horse-sized dose (you can figure out your own dosage with simple arithmetic, right?)

Yes you can based on the active ingredient label on the packaging and a quick Google search. If people-whatever their motivation-keep at dosage levels approved for parasitic infections they should be OK. Do what thou wilt, but Google and do the math first. In the clinical trial posted earlier, which addressed treatment of COVID-19 symptoms, not CoV-2 infection, it's possible those dosages might work as an anti-inflammatory in conjunction with other anti-inflammatories. There is a study out there that indicates that ivermectin can block the S protein-Ace2 receptor interaction, suggesting it could block infection. This effect required very high dosages, which may not be physiologically sustainable given the rapid way ivermectin is metabolized, broken down, and secreted (I looked up some stuff on this. Have the links but thought why go there). Anyway, the thing is that it appears some people are going for very high dosages to try and hit that point. The problem becomes if you gobble down too much too fast the molecular pumps that keep ivermectin from crossing the blood-brain barrier get overwhelmed. When that happens, ivermectin gets into your central nervous system and acts as a reasonably potent neurotoxin. Then, some of the neurological symptoms mentioned in the Lincoln Project video turn out to actually happen-dizzyness, convulsions, etc. I don't know about seeing lizard people in Congress. Personally, I've always thought of them that way. Anyway, the good news appears to be that if one just stops taking it, the neuro symptoms appear to resolve pretty quickly. Long term consequences? Who knows. We'll see how many lizard people get elected shortly.
 
A good summary of the ivermectin debate and the dynamics governing what's happening.

 
In this case, just trying to set the groundwork for a productive discussion.

You need a common set of facts before you can have a reasonable conversation. One of those facts is that the boom in covid cases is creating a health care shortage in general.

And, as watfly noted, a boom in perceived risk can also create a health care shortage.
And so can Vaccine Mandates…..
 
It's unproven for covid and dangerous in large doses. It has the advantage to the no-vax crowd in that it is available without a prescription and is relatively cheap -- just $10 for a horse-sized dose (you can figure out your own dosage with simple arithmetic, right?)
I'm not talking about animal dosed ivermectin. There are many dual use medications. There is enough available data for the use of ivermectin that many drs feel comfortable prescribing it. You correctly argue that there are gaps in Ivermectin studies. By prescription, it is a perfectly safe and FDA approved medication, but you already know this. The no-vaxx crowd is going to do what the no-vax crowd is going to do. They deserve the ridicule if they decide to take horse pills. The risk from taking Ivermectin early is very low.

As we are starting to see, reliance on vaccination may not be the only answer. Politicize all you want but the data coming out of Israel is real. As well s the unusual side effects on women. The development of the vaccines was truly remarkable but their is always a "but".
 
I'm not talking about animal dosed ivermectin. There are many dual use medications. There is enough available data for the use of ivermectin that many drs feel comfortable prescribing it. You correctly argue that there are gaps in Ivermectin studies. By prescription, it is a perfectly safe and FDA approved medication, but you already know this. The no-vaxx crowd is going to do what the no-vax crowd is going to do. They deserve the ridicule if they decide to take horse pills. The risk from taking Ivermectin early is very low.

As we are starting to see, reliance on vaccination may not be the only answer. Politicize all you want but the data coming out of Israel is real. As well s the unusual side effects on women. The development of the vaccines was truly remarkable but their is always a "but".

Read the article Grace linked. Then review your response here.
 
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The Vaccinator has some words ((crush response as well)) on the homeless/business situation in LA and he say's he's here to help both. Look what this guy just said,

"There's a reason why people are angry and they're not just disappointed." ((Why are the people disappointed Governator?))

(Because) "I drive by homeless people every day when I go to Gold's Gym" ((Oh you poor thing))

"and I talk to some of them." ((Well isn;t that special))

"They're angry" ((I wonder why?))

"the way they've been pushed around" ((Not fun being pushed around and kicked to the curb))

"and they've been promised things and no delivery," ((Promises are never kept with liars and cheaters))

But he also sympathizes with business owners, whose boardwalk store fronts he says have been fouled by human waste. ((not good for business))

"This is your environment in front of a store that you're paying taxes for ((Poop from humans in front of anyone's store is unacceptable))

"you're paying a lot of rent for, this is inexcusable." ((Rent is through the roof. Plus you have to manage the mask thing and vax passport. If that's not hard enough, throw in some human shit in front your store as you set to open each morning. You will 100% be OB soon if this doesnt stop)).

"Where's the protection for our business community that it pays its taxes?" ((ya, where is it man))

This dude is worth $410,000,000. His dad was a Brownshirt for Hitler's crew. If I had all his money, I would build a few killer houses and help people who are homeless find a place to sleep. What a crock of doo doo to read this shit. Sorry to all those in LA these days.
 
Laughter is a common defense mechanism against embarrassment.

And I notice you trimmed my post when you responded. That's a tell, also.
I just laughed again sitting in the car waiting for kiddos bus. My kid asked me “what so funny? Share I like funny things too.” Me:”not this one”
 
Jimmy Kimmel says unvaccinated people shouldn't get ICU beds in his return to his late-night show

"Dr. Fauci said if hospitals get any more overcrowded they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed," the host continued. "That choice doesn’t seem so tough to me. ‘Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right in, we’ll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy.'"

This is why Crush told all of you to eat healthy or take jab instead. This will never end until you who keep taking boosters say, "enough." I can;t help anyone of you now. I have to leave and live in wilderness with my wife until this stops. Imagine my luck. Crush is minding his own business and get's hit by a car and is rushed to the ER. At the same fucking time, Espola comes in with a heart attack from blood clots. Only one Doc on staff ((others got fired for not taking jab)) and one Nurse, that nut job Karen. So Doc leaves me to die all alone with trauma but goes and saves the Elitist Espola. Ya, I see how this game is played. No more for me and my wife. We both jumped off the Hamster wheel of liars and cheaters.
 
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