Vaccine

dad4 said:
In this case, just trying to set the groundwork for a productive discussion.

You need a common set of facts before you can have a reasonable conversation. One of those facts is that the boom in covid cases is creating a health care shortage in general.

And, as watfly noted, a boom in perceived risk can also create a health care shortage.
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And so can Vaccine Mandates…..
 
espola said:
It's unproven for covid and dangerous in large doses. It has the advantage to the no-vax crowd in that it is available without a prescription and is relatively cheap -- just $10 for a horse-sized dose (you can figure out your own dosage with simple arithmetic, right?)
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I'm not talking about animal dosed ivermectin. There are many dual use medications. There is enough available data for the use of ivermectin that many drs feel comfortable prescribing it. You correctly argue that there are gaps in Ivermectin studies. By prescription, it is a perfectly safe and FDA approved medication, but you already know this. The no-vaxx crowd is going to do what the no-vax crowd is going to do. They deserve the ridicule if they decide to take horse pills. The risk from taking Ivermectin early is very low.

As we are starting to see, reliance on vaccination may not be the only answer. Politicize all you want but the data coming out of Israel is real. As well s the unusual side effects on women. The development of the vaccines was truly remarkable but their is always a "but".
 
what-happened said:
I'm not talking about animal dosed ivermectin. There are many dual use medications. There is enough available data for the use of ivermectin that many drs feel comfortable prescribing it. You correctly argue that there are gaps in Ivermectin studies. By prescription, it is a perfectly safe and FDA approved medication, but you already know this. The no-vaxx crowd is going to do what the no-vax crowd is going to do. They deserve the ridicule if they decide to take horse pills. The risk from taking Ivermectin early is very low.

As we are starting to see, reliance on vaccination may not be the only answer. Politicize all you want but the data coming out of Israel is real. As well s the unusual side effects on women. The development of the vaccines was truly remarkable but their is always a "but".
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Read the article Grace linked. Then review your response here.
 
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The Vaccinator has some words ((crush response as well)) on the homeless/business situation in LA and he say's he's here to help both. Look what this guy just said,

"There's a reason why people are angry and they're not just disappointed." ((Why are the people disappointed Governator?))

(Because) "I drive by homeless people every day when I go to Gold's Gym" ((Oh you poor thing))

"and I talk to some of them." ((Well isn;t that special))

"They're angry" ((I wonder why?))

"the way they've been pushed around" ((Not fun being pushed around and kicked to the curb))

"and they've been promised things and no delivery," ((Promises are never kept with liars and cheaters))

But he also sympathizes with business owners, whose boardwalk store fronts he says have been fouled by human waste. ((not good for business))

"This is your environment in front of a store that you're paying taxes for ((Poop from humans in front of anyone's store is unacceptable))

"you're paying a lot of rent for, this is inexcusable." ((Rent is through the roof. Plus you have to manage the mask thing and vax passport. If that's not hard enough, throw in some human shit in front your store as you set to open each morning. You will 100% be OB soon if this doesnt stop)).

"Where's the protection for our business community that it pays its taxes?" ((ya, where is it man))

This dude is worth $410,000,000. His dad was a Brownshirt for Hitler's crew. If I had all his money, I would build a few killer houses and help people who are homeless find a place to sleep. What a crock of doo doo to read this shit. Sorry to all those in LA these days.
 
espola said:
Laughter is a common defense mechanism against embarrassment.

And I notice you trimmed my post when you responded. That's a tell, also.
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I just laughed again sitting in the car waiting for kiddos bus. My kid asked me “what so funny? Share I like funny things too.” Me:”not this one”
 
Jimmy Kimmel says unvaccinated people shouldn't get ICU beds in his return to his late-night show

"Dr. Fauci said if hospitals get any more overcrowded they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed," the host continued. "That choice doesn’t seem so tough to me. ‘Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right in, we’ll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy.'"

This is why Crush told all of you to eat healthy or take jab instead. This will never end until you who keep taking boosters say, "enough." I can;t help anyone of you now. I have to leave and live in wilderness with my wife until this stops. Imagine my luck. Crush is minding his own business and get's hit by a car and is rushed to the ER. At the same fucking time, Espola comes in with a heart attack from blood clots. Only one Doc on staff ((others got fired for not taking jab)) and one Nurse, that nut job Karen. So Doc leaves me to die all alone with trauma but goes and saves the Elitist Espola. Ya, I see how this game is played. No more for me and my wife. We both jumped off the Hamster wheel of liars and cheaters.
 
GoldenGate said:
(1) Yes, we know with a high degree of certainty that there aren't long term issues. Vaccines have been rigorously vetted and one study after the next verifies it if you care to look. They have concluded they are safe except in incredibly rare and almost always mild circumstances that do not even remotely outweigh the risks, just like every other vaccine. And now that vaccines are FDA approved, 166 health systems have already reached the same conclusion and are mandating them, including such sharlatans as the Mayo Clinic, Duke Health, UPenn, USC Keck, UCLA, U Kentucky, UNC, U Alabama, U Chicago, U Louisville, U Maryland, U Utah, U Washington, and Yale, plus healthcare giants like Trinity, Sutter and Kaiser. And also crazy that children's hospitals of CO, CT and TX, plus numerous other local children's hospitals in Omaha, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Dayton, Fresno, and St. Jude's have deemed vaccines sufficiently safe and important enough to protect even the little kiddies whom you claim are impervious to Covid-19 and cannot transmit it to others. Weren't you the one saying we should listen to those on the front line? On the other hand, you believe an anonymous fake post presumably from a conspiracy theory website relying on Dr. Horse Paste.

(2) This is irrational. The government is not making you get vaccinated. A few state governments are requiring that certain of their employees and some healthcare providers get vaccinated, but that's it and you aren't one of them. And since when did an American "patriot" and "lover of freedom" like yourself start trying to dictate decisions that businesses can make about their employees? If you don't want to get vaccinated, go work somewhere that doesn't require a vaccination. Why can't an employer exercise their freedom to kick your butt out of their business for being dangerous and expensive to their staff? Why shouldn't an employer be able to decide they don't want to pay increased healthcare and workers' compensation costs and restructure their operations to accommodate a handful of idiots? I'd think you of all people would support a company's right to cut unnecessary costs. Businesses don't need more information to know how much idiot anti-vaxxers are costing them in increased healthcare and workers' comp costs, in protective equipment and other precautions that would otherwise be unnecessary, in missed work time and other increased costs. In healthcare contexts especially, they know how much idiot anti-vaxxers have clogged up their ERs and ICUs and are killing patients who need medical care for legitimate reasons, and not because they're dumbfuck anti-vaxxers. What businesses don't know, however, is which of their dumbfuck anti-vaxxer employees are "high risk" and will end up costing them a fortune, so they may as well just get rid of them all. Even better if it's a public employer, since it saves us taxpayer dollars, right? Plus, anti-vaxxers are troublemakers and generally shitty employees anyway, so good riddance. Right crush?

(3) Not exactly. Many people in high risk groups cannot get vaccinated. Many people are in high risk groups and don't know it. Some people in good health will still die of Covid. Many people will suffer or die because our healthcare system is clogged with dumbfuck anti-vaxxers.

How on earth do you claim to be on the side of science when you're posting an apparently fake anonymous fake manifesto by a fake doctor that relies on horse paste as a better solution to Covid than vaccines, especially when 166 health care systems and virtually every single expert in the field say you're full of shit?

I answered your questions. So who is the mystery doctor/author/war veteran/graduate of a big 10 school/former resident of a prestigious place/horse paste advocate? Who is this guy who says the CDC, the Mayo Clinic, Yale and 164 other healthcare systems are wrong?
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You’re babbling.
 
what-happened said:
yes we do.
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He apparently didn’t either. The article levels criticism at the media, fauci and fda as well

it goes to my point that the sides have stopped talking to each other. Same thing with the Bangladesh mask study: “it proves masks work!” Instead of seeing a study with a lot of flaws that for what results it found were deeply nuanced and had a lot for both sides to hate.
 
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