Vaccine

Hüsker Dü said:
This is all so personal with you. You can’t help yourself, you wear it on your virtual sleeves.
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I'm not sure what that even means. You can read whatever you want into the photo. My point is that the mask mandates were never credible, they only really applied to the hired help, the little people and the unwashed masses. Hillary apparently doesn't care about her neighbors or anyone but herself under your standard.
 
watfly said:
I'm not sure what that even means. You can read whatever you want into the photo. My point is that the mask mandates were never credible, they only really applied to the hired help, the little people and the unwashed masses. Hillary apparently doesn't care about her neighbors or anyone but herself under your standard.
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When and where was the picture taken? What is going on there? Did you look for evidence of photoshop manipulation?
 
watfly said:
I'm not sure what that even means. You can read whatever you want into the photo. My point is that the mask mandates were never credible, they only really applied to the hired help, the little people and the unwashed masses. Hillary apparently doesn't care about her neighbors or anyone but herself under your standard.
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HRC and her mentor are 100% responsible for helping kill millions of black babies and I mean millions. That pic say's it all. Now you know why they cheated and stole the election. It was always going to come down to life vs death for our precious babies. They want to jab our children as well. What we have done to innocent life will shock the shit out of you. These are monsters were dealing with. No souls in some of these humans. They were born to cause havoc and murder and then they will be caught and taken off the planet. This is a big clean up operation around the world.
 
watfly said:
I'm not sure what that even means. You can read whatever you want into the photo. My point is that the mask mandates were never credible, they only really applied to the hired help, the little people and the unwashed masses. Hillary apparently doesn't care about her neighbors or anyone but herself under your standard.
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Her body her choice is back in favor, please try and keep up with the loons.
 
watfly said:
I'm not sure what that even means. You can read whatever you want into the photo. My point is that the mask mandates were never credible, they only really applied to the hired help, the little people and the unwashed masses. Hillary apparently doesn't care about her neighbors or anyone but herself under your standard.
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“your standard”? Please explain.
 
Breaking News: Record surge in AIDS, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis, and Cancer this year and the Docs have no idea why the surge. Miscarriages are through the roof. Death is 40% higher then last year and the year before that for under 45. Something is not right. My neighbor was telling me about his kid going to JC and is not allowed on campus without proof of being fully jabbed. Crazy rules in the State we live in.
 
what-happened said:
What is your definition of "work"? Many studies were done to convince someone masks work...they just didn't work. If masks did work then they would have worked.

Something about those pesky fine aerosol particles that are kryptonite for cloth and surgical masks. N95s are the real deal, most of society just can't hang with them. States with stiff mask mandates didn't fare better, just take a peek at RI data.

Now, vaccines, whole different story. Clear data shows states with higher vax rates have better hospitalization and death outcomes. But masks??not so much. Too much emphasis and angst associated with masking.

If masks worked they would have worked. Novel virus pandemics are hard, they are even harder when you have governmen idiots picking sides, drawing lines, and trampling on personal freedom. How effective was filling in skate parks and shutting down forests? Silliness..
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You seem to want “work” to be boolean. It either does work or it doesn’t.

Cloth masks do a great job at deflecting your breath away from other people. Try blowing out a candle while wearing one. You just can’t do it, because your breath isn’t going very far. If there are any virus aerosols in that breath, they aren’t going very far either.

Then try cooking some garlic in a pan while wearing a cloth mask. Smells pretty good, doesnt it? The tasty garlic smell comes right through. So do the aerosols.

Now, does that mean cloth masks “work”, or “don’t work”?

Outside, that deflected warm air rises and diffuses throughout the atmosphere. Problem solved.
Inside, the deflected warm air rises, then diffuses throughout the room. Problem still exists.

Where does that leave your nice little dichotomy? The cloth masks “work“ in one context, but don’t “work” in the other.
 
what-happened said:
Now, vaccines, whole different story. Clear data shows states with higher vax rates have better hospitalization and death outcomes.
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Agree. It would have been great if the flexibility of the technology could have been utilized at scale to keep pace with variants. As the infectivity of the virus jumped up to being on par with measles that also made it really tough. Still, if we end up with omicron as the endemic form of this outbreak rather than delta that will be a blessing.
 
dad4 said:
You seem to want “work” to be boolean. It either does work or it doesn’t.

Cloth masks do a great job at deflecting your breath away from other people. Try blowing out a candle while wearing one. You just can’t do it, because your breath isn’t going very far. If there are any virus aerosols in that breath, they aren’t going very far either.

Then try cooking some garlic in a pan while wearing a cloth mask. Smells pretty good, doesnt it? The tasty garlic smell comes right through. So do the aerosols.

Now, does that mean cloth masks “work”, or “don’t work”?

Outside, that deflected warm air rises and diffuses throughout the atmosphere. Problem solved.
Inside, the deflected warm air rises, then diffuses throughout the room. Problem still exists.

Where does that leave your nice little dichotomy? The cloth masks “work“ in one context, but don’t “work” in the other.
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Again there are studies for decades that show masks don't stop respiratory viruses.

Doesnt matter of the breath goes out sideways of a mask or not. The point is they leak. They neither stop respiratory viruses from going in or out. They are not sealed. Nor are they designed to stop the extremely small particle size that is a virus. Which is also why the packaging on them says not designed to stop viruses.

This has been known now for some time.

We now have a couple more years of real world evidence amongst us. 100s of millions of people were using masks. And we see constantly that infection rates between areas of high compliance and low compliance, infection rates were similar.

You have more and more studies saying (again) they didn't make a difference.

More telling? You don't have studies coming out saying YES masks made a difference during covid. If there was evidence of the effectiveness of masks during covid those studies would be FRONT and CENTER. And yet there we don't see those. Why? Because masks didn't make a difference.
 
Desert Hound said:
Again there are studies for decades that show masks don't stop respiratory viruses.

Doesnt matter of the breath goes out sideways of a mask or not. The point is they leak. They neither stop respiratory viruses from going in or out. They are not sealed. Nor are they designed to stop the extremely small particle size that is a virus. Which is also why the packaging on them says not designed to stop viruses.

This has been known now for some time.

We now have a couple more years of real world evidence amongst us. 100s of millions of people were using masks. And we see constantly that infection rates between areas of high compliance and low compliance, infection rates were similar.

You have more and more studies saying (again) they didn't make a difference.

More telling? You don't have studies coming out saying YES masks made a difference during covid. If there was evidence of the effectiveness of masks during covid those studies would be FRONT and CENTER. And yet there we don't see those. Why? Because masks didn't make a difference.
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med.stanford.edu

Surgical masks reduce COVID-19 spread, large-scale study shows

Researchers found that surgical masks impede the spread of COVID-19 and that just a few, low-cost interventions increase mask-wearing compliance.
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Desert Hound said:
Again there are studies for decades that show masks don't stop respiratory viruses.

Doesnt matter of the breath goes out sideways of a mask or not. The point is they leak. They neither stop respiratory viruses from going in or out. They are not sealed. Nor are they designed to stop the extremely small particle size that is a virus. Which is also why the packaging on them says not designed to stop viruses.

This has been known now for some time.

We now have a couple more years of real world evidence amongst us. 100s of millions of people were using masks. And we see constantly that infection rates between areas of high compliance and low compliance, infection rates were similar.

You have more and more studies saying (again) they didn't make a difference.

More telling? You don't have studies coming out saying YES masks made a difference during covid. If there was evidence of the effectiveness of masks during covid those studies would be FRONT and CENTER. And yet there we don't see those. Why? Because masks didn't make a difference.
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Link? Paragraph?

You got nothing. Still.


Link:

Science | AAAS

www.science.org www.science.org

Paragraph:

A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.
 
dad4 said:
Bangladesh study.....the study contains evidence that surgical masks work.
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Yeah, and the thing about the discussion in that paper is that it really focuses on the implications of their data for the collaborative game theory behind mask (surgical) wearing. It was basically an intervention study. Large studies like the Bangladesh one where there is a real effort to control variables and meaningfully assess outcomes are difficult and expensive. Unfortunately, we are unlikely to see too many of them, and their impact will be diluted by the "I can download a spreadsheet and make some graphs" stuff where anyone can play. I mean people should really feel free to do that. That is what the data is for. But if one is going to bring that work forward, there has to be a responsible effort to say "here is what I did".

For us Westerners, masks are unfortunately symbols of hiding, bad intent, weakness, disease and death. It will never be like the Korean kids that go to a Kpop concert, wear masks and don't scream as a sign of respect for the performers. Take the TLDR numbers from the Bangladesh study and put them on the left side. Put some sort of meme like the birds beak masks worn by the dead collectors during the Black Death on the right. Or any of the AI generated meme straight out of IRA headquarters in St. Petersburg. Ask "do masks work on not". I imagine somebody has done something like that. Would be interesting to see how strong the effect is.

I think there was a new and views summary of the Bangladesh paper posted here but not the work itself. could be wrong. in any case here is the link; don't think it is behind a paywall.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org www.science.org
 
dad4 said:
Link? Paragraph?

You got nothing. Still.


Link:

Science | AAAS

www.science.org www.science.org

Paragraph:

A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.
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That's funny. You just added the link while I posted.
 
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