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Really? Why would it be *impossible* to calculate the transmission rate by vaccination status subgroup? Remember they already did the same calculation by mask status subgroup.
You’re essentially saying “soccersc doesn’t know how.”. No shame in that. Most people don’t know how. That’s entirely different from saying it cannot be done.
Okay...sure anyone can come up with some sort of study that tries to get as close as possible to calculate it accurately...but there are way way too many variables in transmission to get truly valid study
Fact is that most transmission takes place in the home
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I guess now we know how anti-vaxxers/maskers deny peer reviewed studies.
Quick question. So how did Covid get into all those homes in the first place? Spontaneous generation? Or do you mean "home" in the same way as "The United States of America is my home"?
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Parler is a better option for you.
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Ok, so now we've got crush, a former UFC announcer, white nationalists, a convicted Capitol stormer and homophobes lined up in the same anti-vax/mask crusade. I am so surprised. How are you feeling about your friends Watfly, soccersc and grace t(he unemployed)?
Ok. Most transmission takes place in the home. So compare in home transmission rates between vaccinated, unvaccinated, and partially vaccinated households.
In case you‘re wondering, someone already did the study. Turns out, the vaccine reduces transmission rates, just like the biology would predict:
Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully...
www.thelancet.com
Clearly it is not impossible to calculate. They did calculate it, and it passed peer review.
Which leaves you in the position of arguing “Yes, but that study isn’t actually valid. I am a person on a soccer forum, and that’s just a peer reviewed study in Lancet with multiple citations. They don’t know as much as I do.”
Ok. Most transmission takes place in the home. So compare in home transmission rates between vaccinated, unvaccinated, and partially vaccinated households.
In case you‘re wondering, someone already did the study. Turns out, the vaccine reduces transmission rates, just like the biology would predict:
Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully...www.thelancet.com
Clearly it is not impossible to calculate. They did calculate it, and it passed peer review.
Which leaves you in the position of arguing “Yes, but that study isn’t actually valid. I am a person on a soccer forum, and that’s just a peer reviewed study in Lancet with multiple citations. They don’t know as much as I do.”
Nice try, but using a study from 2020 and the Delta variant isn't relatable in the least to Omicron! Try again
a study from UC Davis in 2021 showing viral loads to be the same....okay next
Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People
A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant...
www.ucdavis.edu
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I'll take that as a yes.
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Ok. Most transmission takes place in the home. So compare in home transmission rates between vaccinated, unvaccinated, and partially vaccinated households.
In case you‘re wondering, someone already did the study. Turns out, the vaccine reduces transmission rates, just like the biology would predict:
Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully...www.thelancet.com
Clearly it is not impossible to calculate. They did calculate it, and it passed peer review.
Which leaves you in the position of arguing “Yes, but that study isn’t actually valid. I am a person on a soccer forum, and that’s just a peer reviewed study in Lancet with multiple citations. They don’t know as much as I do.”
Peer review is over-rated, right soccersc? It's just "anyone can come up with some sort of study that tries to get as close as possible to calculate it accurately..." Anyway, all those scientists "shave each other's backs and share a tanning bed" like your buddy says right soccersc? Between him and crush you have some really great people on your side. You're a viking helmet away from some real credibility.
I like your @dad4 handle better than your @GoldenGate.... when you are @dad4 at least you speak with some intelligence
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Nice try, but using a study from 2020 and the Delta variant isn't relatable in the least to Omicron! Try again
a study from UC Davis in 2021 showing viral loads to be the same....okay next
Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People
A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant...
Uh, wow. I think you might be misunderstanding what words mean. Let's quote a few sentences out of your article.
- "Vaccines have been shown to be highly effective in preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death from COVID-19".
- "The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination."
- "This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with [Covid], or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus".
- "It's very important to get vaccinated....Mask-wearing and regular testing remain important, especially in areas of high prevalence."
How does this article help your anti-vax/anti-mask agenda again?
Ok. Most transmission takes place in the home. So compare in home transmission rates between vaccinated, unvaccinated, and partially vaccinated households.
In case you‘re wondering, someone already did the study. Turns out, the vaccine reduces transmission rates, just like the biology would predict:
Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully...www.thelancet.com
Clearly it is not impossible to calculate. They did calculate it, and it passed peer review.
Which leaves you in the position of arguing “Yes, but that study isn’t actually valid. I am a person on a soccer forum, and that’s just a peer reviewed study in Lancet with multiple citations. They don’t know as much as I do.”
and by the way, your review actually agrees with me... "Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts."
So one member of the family gets it from 1 unvaccinated person and then that vaccinated person goes home and spreads it to their family of 5...well, there you go...that is why trying to decipher how it is transmitted makes no sense...too many variable like I was telling you in the first place
You are changing the argument or more likely you forgot....stay off the gonga for a minute....I never said vaccinations don't help....your comprehension and retention is getting worse by the day...I know it is legal but it is affecting you in a bad way.
I will refresh your memory...@dad4 was saying you could calculate the transmission rate of unvaccinated and vaccinated...I said it is too difficult to get an accurate measure of transmission between the two groups.
You might want to pause on responding until you have read that a couple times to make sure you really understand what we are talking about so you don't write anymore irrelevant post
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Wow, you lost the forest for the trees so badly that you apparently hit a proverbial oak branch hard enough to suffer traumatic brain injury. Do you even realize that you went down a rabbit hole that started with you claiming that wearing masks doesn't help avoid Covid transmission, and has now ended with you citing articles about how important it is to wear masks because transmission is not significantly impacted by vaccination?
LOL...hahaha...take a minute and read before another ripe...hahaha....I never have claimed anything about a mast...lol...and the article I sighted was from your alias @dad4 haha...maybe try to stay on one alias because you are getting confused between the two.
Once again, the argument is about how Covid spread between the vaccinated and unvaccinated...the problem is you can't find any data to support the fact that it can't be differentiated.
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No, you started with your snowflake diatribe about how masks don't help reduce transmission rates and therefore they should not be required in schools because your emotionally feeble children can't handle wearing masks and they don't help anyway. But here you are now citing an article for the exact opposite because you completely lost the plot. So, let's start from the beginning. Can you tell me why the article you just cited is completely wrong, except for one thing you don't want it to be wrong again? You're a believe in science dim sum?
Sure. Same peak load, sustained for a shorter period. Both claims are quantified in the study.
How does that support your claim? You were saying it is impossible to estimate. It’s not impossible at all. They just did it. Not only did they demonstrate that the vaccine reduces transmission, they also quantified the size and timing of the effect.
Of course you can estimate, but how accurate is that really. Then you start getting into how many vaccinated people actually test if they are asymptotic, but yet those people can still spread the disease... or where did they actually get it in the first place because who really knows in most cases...and finally, with Omicron, it all changed because it was spread so easily between all people...that is why it becomes so difficult to differentiate if it was passed on by vaccinated or unvaccinated
Do you have any data showing how Omicron was spread between vaccinated and unvaccinated?