Great idea! Who's going to give us their water?
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Great idea! Who's going to give us their water?
Yet you support high density housing to end climate change? How do you reconcile?
p.s. yes I think there's a link but the outbreaks in LA occurred in zips as well which weren't just substandard housing including in areas into the OC and San Bernardino and Riverside counties so it doesn't explain all of the story. Neither does it explain why Oakland despite having similar problems wasn't as complete of a meltdown as Los Angeles.
So much for the narrative that there's no cost to masking....
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I was an independent until Palin started talking.
You ducked the question. How you feel about Manchin/Sinema?
Desert Hound
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Off topic here. But worth the look at the photos of this underground bunker.
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Behold the deeply unsettling creep factor of this "luxury bunker" in Las Vegas that's located 26 feet below ground but is made to look as if it's outside
There's not any better way to describe this than "really, really weird." Okay, maybe "spine-tingling."
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Nothing to reconcile, really. It only sounds like a conflict because you’re using one word, density, for two completely different concepts.
Does density mean homes per square mile? Or does density mean people per home? They are not the same thing at all.
The climate problem is too few homes per square mile, causing longer commutes as people drive further to find housing.
The covid problem is too many people per home, causing more in home transmission.
Both are consequences of too few homes. One problem is too few homes per square mile, and the other problem is too few homes per million people.
That's two minutes of my life that I will never get back. The stripper pole is a nice touch.Off topic here. But worth the look at the photos of this underground bunker.
Behold the deeply unsettling creep factor of this "luxury bunker" in Las Vegas that's located 26 feet below ground but is made to look as if it's outside
There's not any better way to describe this than "really, really weird." Okay, maybe "spine-tingling."
Pro children maskers: Yeah, but its only a delay, so it's temporary, not permanent.
Ah I see. That's where the disconnect is. First when activists talk about housing density it's not just the commute they are talking about. They want the homes to be smaller because of the heating/aircon issues and no lawns (because of the fertilizer/maintenance issues).
As to the COVID problem, you still have an issue. It's not just the apartment rooms but also the shared plumbling, vents, sewage, elevators, common spaces, laundry rooms and garages of shared higher density living situations...the data on that early on out of China was quite clear, where because of the one child policy and the older people live out in rural villages you didn't have people crammed into the apartments (but apartments crammed into buildings). Further, you have a building issue as concrete and other building materials also contribute to global warming....you are now building more housing for the poor to break them up in different apartments instead of cramming them into one apartment which is the opposite direction you want to go.
The two problems you articulate (few homes per square mile, and two few homes per million people) are actually more linked than you want to think (probably because you don't want to see the implication). A review of Soviet housing (and their resulting horrible prescription) is illustrative. And if you think Americans are going to give up their single family homes for the Kruskayas, you're crazy....not going to happen in the absence of the Bolivaran revolution.
p.s. I'd venture to say that people will be more reluctant in the future (except for maybe SINKs and people who otherwise can't afford it) to use dense housing because of what's happened in the pandemic. We CERTAINLY have seen that effect in Europe...and here my kid for a while trained with another kid who rode out the pandemic in a beach house (what's not to like...zoom work in pajamas, ocean views, big house with fast wifi and each of the kids has a room, one of the few people that was actually allowed to use the beach, they even did a BBQ beachside....heck if I had that layout I doubt we would have had to do the stint in Utah)....the issue being if evil goalie is right and coronavirus resurges sometime in the future into a monster variant, or if we get another bad flu epidemic for which we are overdo anyways, or we get some new "Contagion" type style bug, people are going to be reluctant to risk lockdown with children or a spouse in high density housing. The only way you accomplish that is by force or subtle coercion (by making nondense housing more expensive), but in the later case you are essentially making people poorer which isn't exactly going to win you over friends and influence people (as November 2022 is beginning to shape up); hence we are back again to the Bolivarian revolution.
p.s. our initial plan for the pandemic by coinkidink had been to shelter at my folks beach house. However, a. it wasn't right on the water but across the street from the water, b. didn't have a big back yard which would have made the situation actually a bit worse for us, and c. got caught up in the eviction moratorium which created another mess because my parents relied on that rental income and couldn't even forgo it to give the kids a pleasant lockdown.
Not all housing activists agree that homes should be smaller, or rely on shared indoor space. I am in favor of more square feet, not less.
I don’t see the argument that elevators are a major respiratory disease factor. The 12 hours in the house with 9 other people are more important than the 15 seconds in the elevator with 3 people.
Yes, there is a climate cost to construction. But it is considerably smaller than the climate cost from transportation when you prohibit construction.
As I watched the JRE episode with Jordan Peterson, I finally figured out who he reminds me of. He's a friggin modern day Cliff Clavin, "Hey Normy, have you heard about Carl Jung's Buffalo Theory". Anyway, not the reason I'm posting this. I then realized this entire thread is a bunch of Cliff Clavins. I now read all the posts in his voice. Give it a shot. Feel free interjecting "Hey Normy" where it makes sense.
Nope. Jordan Peterson is actually one of the great philosophers of our age. He's become increasingly erratic since he went off the drugs, and I readily concede can go way into outer space on some his rants, but he explains (without realizing) even in that pod cast why that is...much like the blue haired creatives, the out of the box thinkers go way out there and not everything they produce is gold....but Peterson (even if he is somewhat diminished by what he's undergone) is truly one of the great thinkers of our age. And I say this as someone who is LGBTQ. Kiddo was enthralled with his psych lecture and listened it on the train journey all through Spain a few years ago.
Thanks Cliff!
Seriously though, Joe corrected him within the first 10 minutes. He speaks in absolutes...just like Cliff. No thanks.
Desert Hound
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That is exactly what they designed the internet for. Or at least that is my theory.
I agree he doesn't do nuance well, but most of the great philosophers don't. Philosophy is a seer stone through which to look at the world...it gives you only one painting of it. If you look at him in the philosophical context, it makes perfect sense.
p.s. cheers relentless mocks classism and lumps people of various classes into this one setting. Clavin is a caricature of a lower class person who could never hope to rise to the station of an intellectual. It contrast with Frasier who is a pompous and elitist windbag. Yet, as Diane points out in her play on Frasier, they are all lost souls who wallow their sorrows and (from what the writer's clearly let us know) pathetic existences (whether a rich barmaid forced to be a barmaid or a washed out baseball player) in drink and fellowship. The thing they all have in common is they are losers.
p.p.s. it's one of the reasons why Cheers stopped working once Diane left beyond the will they or won't they. Kirstie Ali's character was just blatantly contemptuous (at least at first) of the bar residents. The quiet part began to be said out loud and it didn't work.
p.p.p.s a better mocking of me would be Frasier. Indeed, my two brothers were known as the "Crane boys" back in law school
Cliff did get pretty close to winning Jeopardy though. The Buffalo Theory is pretty solid.
I mean the issue is this, Jordan goes on to say "7 million kids a year die from particulate matter indoors". He said this as if it was set in stone. He's also incredibly believable. Joe had an eyebrow raised most of the interview -- something I don't think many pick up on. Joe is definitely skeptical of many of his guests. In some ways he mocks people like Alex Jones, etc. But anyway, Peterson sounds smart, but I just don't think I'd put him on a pedestal like you do.