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Especially because I’m recommending the more efficient cars which have a more limited range.
You also once recommended LA tear out much of its “green space” to build housing. Not very “climate friendly”.
 
Coocoos and nonsense are not meaningful debate.
if you want toknow why we are divided look in the mirror. You dismiss everyone that disagrees with you as slanted, condemn the bad behavior of the side you disagree with but are perfectly fine with and defend folks like espola or the repeated hypocrisy of dad4.
or as my Orwellian translator puts it: “I don’t like anyone that disagrees with me and if you disagree with my overwhelmingly right and virtuous opinions, you are a fringe lunatic and dividing us. Meanwhile those that agree with me can do no wrong because they are on the side of right and virtue”
And no you arent the peanut gallery. You know it, i know it and everyone here knows it. You are trolling but just aren’t as good as the others at it (even soccermavericky does it better). You are as transparent as glass.
You are projecting on me your preferred stereotype. We had checks and balances within the political system and amongst the parties themselves. The extremist back in the day were neutralized, not so much anymore. When Sarah Palin opened her mouth on a national stage (and began attracting believers) things started going sideways.
I agree with many, if not most, of what traditional conservatives ‘say’ they are about. The reality often doesn’t always resemble the talk. The “trump style Republicans” and their base aren’t preaching policy to disagree with they are pushing their aggrieved feelings.
Policy? What policy?
As the right pulls further away they look back thinking it’s an equal split. We now have American political pundits siding with Putin, think about that.
 
You also once recommended LA tear out much of its “green space” to build housing. Not very “climate friendly”.
Green space? No. I recommended you allow dense development in places you already allow buildings. Quite climate friendly. And it would make that toy subway of yours look a little less silly.
 
Green space? No. I recommended you allow dense development in places you already allow buildings. Quite climate friendly. And it would make that toy subway of yours look a little less silly.
Nope. You made a pretty clear reference to all of the golf courses. Dense development further reduces green space (ie Lawns and shrubbery).
 
You are projecting on me your preferred stereotype. We had checks and balances within the political system and amongst the parties themselves. The extremist back in the day were neutralized, not so much anymore. When Sarah Palin opened her mouth on a national stage (and began attracting believers) things started going sideways.
I agree with many, if not most, of what traditional conservatives ‘say’ they are about. The reality often doesn’t always resemble the talk. The “trump style Republicans” and their base aren’t preaching policy to disagree with they are pushing their aggrieved feelings.
Policy? What policy?
As the right pulls further away they look back thinking it’s an equal split. We now have American political pundits siding with Putin, think about that.

Oh please...with every step you are showing your partisanship more clearly. I agree the right has moved (I'm no Trump fan). The left has moved as well from the days where Bill Clinton joined the railing against welfare moms and illegal immigrants. Then there's all the PC stuff and diversity stuff and Bernie Bro economics (where Bernie is even considered, among some on this forum, too tame in comparison to Reich, AOC and/or Elizabeth Warren). It's not just the right that's moved...the left very clearly has and I'd argue even more substantially (when they moved into outright COVID hysteria and punishing the kids).

The biggest difference is that the right used to take it and cloth themselves to be softer (e.g. "a thousand points of light", "compassionate conservativity", gentlemanly Mitt (who still got bashed as evil) and Mavericky McCain). With Trump, they voted for someone who wouldn't just let the left and media walk away with it (and at the same time claim that they were being "nonpartisan") without fighting back. That part is here to stay (but hopefully they can get someone saner than Trump).
 
Nope. You made a pretty clear reference to all of the golf courses. Dense development further reduces green space (ie Lawns and shrubbery).
Golf courses are the least environmental example of green space you could pick.

There is nothing environmental about pouring pesticides, herbicides, and water on 100 acres of grass for the benefit of a very small number of golfers. You have what, 72 people using it at a time? For 100+ acres that you killed with the pesticides?

Rip it out and put in 100 acres of sports fields. You’d serve more than ten times as many people.
 
Oh please...with every step you are showing your partisanship more clearly. I agree the right has moved (I'm no Trump fan). The left has moved as well from the days where Bill Clinton joined the railing against welfare moms and illegal immigrants. Then there's all the PC stuff and diversity stuff and Bernie Bro economics (where Bernie is even considered, among some on this forum, too tame in comparison to Reich, AOC and/or Elizabeth Warren). It's not just the right that's moved...the left very clearly has and I'd argue even more substantially (when they moved into outright COVID hysteria and punishing the kids).

The biggest difference is that the right used to take it and cloth themselves to be softer (e.g. "a thousand points of light", "compassionate conservativity", gentlemanly Mitt (who still got bashed as evil) and Mavericky McCain). With Trump, they voted for someone who wouldn't just let the left and media walk away with it (and at the same time claim that they were being "nonpartisan") without fighting back. That part is here to stay (but hopefully they can get someone saner than Trump).
Slick Willie wanted to get things done so he acquiesced to some of Newts demands. Hence the pact. The whole welfare queen fantasy that derived from Reagan was bs to scare white suburbanites into voting for tax breaks for the wealthy . . . like always.
 
Golf courses are the least environmental example of green space you could pick.

There is nothing environmental about pouring pesticides, herbicides, and water on 100 acres of grass for the benefit of a very small number of golfers. You have what, 72 people using it at a time? For 100+ acres that you killed with the pesticides?

Rip it out and put in 100 acres of sports fields. You’d serve more than ten times as many people.
Again, something is important to everyone, including a nice walk ruined. For you, it's traveling to club soccer games, tournaments, masks and having children. For someone else, it's golf. You can't do this by veto.
 
Slick Willie wanted to get things done so he acquiesced to some of Newts demands. Hence the pact. The whole welfare queen fantasy that derived from Reagan was bs to scare white suburbanites into voting for tax breaks for the wealthy . . . like always.

Grain of truth but your partisanship is showing again Mr Moderate.
 
Golf courses are the least environmental example of green space you could pick.

There is nothing environmental about pouring pesticides, herbicides, and water on 100 acres of grass for the benefit of a very small number of golfers. You have what, 72 people using it at a time? For 100+ acres that you killed with the pesticides?

Rip it out and put in 100 acres of sports fields. You’d serve more than ten times as many people.
Your recommendation was to rip them out and build housing on them.

just like your recommendation to do away with HS sports because not everyone can make the team.
 
Oh please...with every step you are showing your partisanship more clearly. I agree the right has moved (I'm no Trump fan). The left has moved as well from the days where Bill Clinton joined the railing against welfare moms and illegal immigrants.
Pew does research on this.

They look at major political issues over the past couple of decades.

The rise of ideological uniformity has been much more pronounced among those who are the most politically active. Today, almost four-in-ten (38%) politically engaged Democrats are consistent liberals, up from just 8% in 1994. The change among Republicans since then appears less dramatic – 33% express consistently conservative views, up from 23% in the midst of the 1994 “Republican Revolution.”
 
Your recommendation was to rip them out and build housing on them.

just like your recommendation to do away with HS sports because not everyone can make the team.
I am fully capable of expressing my own opinion, thanks.

Housing:
My first preference is to rezone existing areas for higher density. I point out golf courses when people make BS arguments like “there is no land”.

High School Sports:
Cancel varsity because some kids can’t make the team? Not what I said either. I said create IM programs with equal field access. Skilled athletes are no more and no less important than any other student, and resource allocation should reflect that.
 
Pantophobia? I had to look that one up.

I myself have a fear of misplaced apostrophes.


Actually, it's more like a distaste than a fear.
I'll lead with this to reduce your fear/distaste level - "Charlie Brown's" should have been Charlie Browns. I appreciate the correction.

Pantophobia? I had to look that one up.
I'm not sure I can associate with someone old enough to have watched Peanuts growing up who didn't know this was Lucy's diagnosis for Charlie Brown.

And what is missing from the transparency about gain of function research?
 
I am fully capable of expressing my own opinion, thanks.

Housing:
My first preference is to rezone existing areas for higher density. I point out golf courses when people make BS arguments like “there is no land”.

High School Sports:
Cancel varsity because some kids can’t make the team? Not what I said either. I said create IM programs with equal field access. Skilled athletes are no more and no less important than any other student, and resource allocation should reflect that.
Always nice to change your stance or slightly alter what you said so it doesn’t sound so contrary.

maybe stick to how we are going to mandate our way out of the Covid pandemic…..
 
I am fully capable of expressing my own opinion, thanks.

Housing:
My first preference is to rezone existing areas for higher density. I point out golf courses when people make BS arguments like “there is no land”.

High School Sports:
Cancel varsity because some kids can’t make the team? Not what I said either. I said create IM programs with equal field access. Skilled athletes are no more and no less important than any other student, and resource allocation should reflect that.
Wait weren't you just blaming the Los Angeles poor performance despite its mandates on the "Los Angeles variant" and high density housing?

I'll take this as an optimistic ray of sunshine that you actually believe the pandemic is ending and therefore we should no longer (cold/flu/rsv/noro notwithstanding) be concerned about silly things like high density housing and masking?

Did it take a climate change conversation to actually turn a corner (I'll take it!)?
 
Wait weren't you just blaming the Los Angeles poor performance despite its mandates on the "Los Angeles variant" and high density housing?

I'll take this as an optimistic ray of sunshine that you actually believe the pandemic is ending and therefore we should no longer (cold/flu/rsv/noro notwithstanding) be concerned about silly things like high density housing and masking?

Did it take a climate change conversation to actually turn a corner (I'll take it!)?

p.s. in the end it appears that there is something just different in the areas that line the pacific from Vancouver to Monterrey. I'm open to the idea that it's behavioral or density but then it doesn't explain some areas like what Marin just did, why Oakland isn't exempt, and Los Angeles (which mandated harder than anyone on the west coast..."Los Angeles variant" notwithstanding).

I'm beginning to settle on the weather patterns along the pacific northwest. The weather in the Bay Area is generally nice all year. Martha's Vineyard and Vermont are both highly vaxxed and got a substantial bump despite their generally more cautious behavior and lower density. Los Angeles, by contrast, has a summer where the heat drives people indoors and aircon is running, and a winter which is generally limited to a month from late December to late January, and not surprisingly gets these summer surges that look like the south but aren't as bad and a winter surge that breaks when the days start to turn longer and warmer and its sixty outside in winter again.

 
The case against masks in schools....the entire mask debate would have gone better for the promaskers if they hadn't been out of step with Europe and insisted that even 2 year olds had to be masked.

 
Wait weren't you just blaming the Los Angeles poor performance despite its mandates on the "Los Angeles variant" and high density housing?

I'll take this as an optimistic ray of sunshine that you actually believe the pandemic is ending and therefore we should no longer (cold/flu/rsv/noro notwithstanding) be concerned about silly things like high density housing and masking?

Did it take a climate change conversation to actually turn a corner (I'll take it!)?
You don’t think there was a link between LA’s substandard housing and their covid problems? Given your views on in-home transmission, it seems an obvious conclusion.

Agree the pandemic phase is ending, or at least it looks like it.

That doesn’t mean I think we can ignore housing. I still think it is pretty crappy to expect others to live with 3 families in one apartment so they can mow our lawns and make our lattes.
 
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