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I wouldn't hesitate to buy an electric car when its time for a new car. I'm not a fan of ethanol as a solution, not being critical of your E85, just from what I've read I don't think its a good way to go (energy and land required to produce it, etc.

Think of ethanol as stored solar energy.
 
If the US went heavy electric vehicles we would need to build a lot more power plants. Right now that would mean mainly fossil fuel type plants.
Charging network plus power plants plus solving the fast charge problem plus (at least in the US) coming to a common standard (otherwise you need the charging station which works for your particular vehicles)
 
Every option option has environmental repercussions, as long as we're on this earth. I think we can find a better balance (which likely will still include fossil fuels to some extent).

Agree but I also think it involves accepting that there will be some climate change and the need to adapt to it (at least until there is some bigger tech solution for that).

In the long long run, over enough time, I also think we are all either doomed or off planet because something is going to get us (and of those things, climate change if fairly low on my list to lose sleep over). Far more worried about a nuclear exchange over the Baltics or Taiwan than the earth warming to a cinder or COVID.
 
Think of ethanol as stored solar energy.
That's one way to think about, but then lets just cut out the middle man, and go straight from sun to energy (I get the stored part I just don't know how efficient corn is at storage). Corn requires a lot of water as well.
 
That's one way to think about, but then lets just cut out the middle man, and go straight from sun to energy (I get the stored part I just don't know how efficient corn is at storage). Corn requires a lot of water as well.

Most US corn is produced in states that get their water from the sky. Hey, that's where the sun is too!

 
a. while I might very well call espola stupid, I would never dream of calling you stupid. I do critique your line of thinking. It is limited when it comes to certain issues where you go with emotions instead of reasoning. This is one of them. You also repeatedly ignore the time factor which is why you've been called out on it time and time again (you are playing 3 d chess when you need to be playing 4...espola is still playing 2 and not even doing that very well). You also repeatedly treat things like they are a US only problem and fail to factor in the rest of the world.That doesn't mean you are stupid and I actually have a lot of respect for your intellectual chops. I just think you let your emotions get the better of you.
b. I agree those steps would lead to CO2 emissions. Like your "masks and indoor dining" though it's not enough particularly as this is a problem that GLOBALLY grows with TIME.
c. Here we have a philosophical disagreement. Like many on the left, your inclination is to "do something" because it makes us feel better, even if it causes suffering on others and doesn't rectify the problem. My position is sure do that, so long as it doesn't hurt others.
d. The car thing is the perfect example. The policy to work isn't "choosing small electric cars for most new vehicles"....it's "and run existing beaters into the ground".
e. That leaves you in the end with a dilemma and a choice that you always seem to be reluctant to articulate and go full all in, because I suspect you are conscious of your authoritarian tendencies and want to keep them in check knowing that if you don't you'll go full Mao. We saw it with your admiration for Australian, New Zealand and China even though you never came out and said yeah let's do that. We see it here with your wanting to ban people from getting big cars, wanting to force the Obamas to get windfarms and the Kerrys to stop flying private, wanting to take the bone out of my dog's mouth and the burger from my hand, and wanting to force everyone into flats (except when the sacrifice is required from you of course, since club soccer and masks are totally o.k.). In the end, you know deep down inside what would be required....you just don't want to say it so you prefer to preach about it and hope for the best (which in the end I really don't see as all that different than my faith in humans and technological solutions).
”Maintain your old car” is not inconsistent with “buy electric for the new one.”. We can, and should, do both.

The rest is just more insults.
 
Unfortunately no 18/19 teams. My DD is still a junior and just found out the school she had a verbal commit with...the coach just left.
Well, that sucks bro.
Damn - one of dads was just talking about the large turnover of college coaches this season.
How about all those transfers going to USC football? My dd and I were just talking about how weird it would be if she would have emailed the coach in 7th grade at one school we were told to email has had three coaches already. School first is for Juniors and seniors, not a 7th grader. Plus, kids want to play for a good coach. Girls get ripped for club hopping and looking for a good match with a coach. It's recipe for so much pain for our girls. Think about the players who gave SC everything and now their seat is taken from a transfer?
 
Most US corn is produced in states that get their water from the sky. Hey, that's where the sun is too!

Don't we all effectively get our water from the sky? I appreciate that there is stored water in aquifers, but...
 
The lack of awareness regarding many using/advocating electric vehicles is always interesting.

- They don't realize that in most cases in the US their electricity comes from fossil fuel powered plants
- They like to say drilling for oil harms the environment...completely overlooking the fact that to get the materials needed for batteries requires mining on a large scale.

And so on.

I am not against electric. But it isn't nearly as clean as it is presented to be.
 
”Maintain your old car” is not inconsistent with “buy electric for the new one.”. We can, and should, do both.

The rest is just more insults.

I see you are going with the ol run away from critiques and say its a personal attack rather than answer the critique head on (even when I've explained and actually said something nice I admire about you).

You still end up in your box BTW, which you can't figure out a way out of, because you don't want to go fully authoritarian, so settle for the preaching.
 
That's one way to think about, but then lets just cut out the middle man, and go straight from sun to energy (I get the stored part I just don't know how efficient corn is at storage). Corn requires a lot of water as well.
Magnetism bro. You need to get "Magnetized" brother. It's real and Tesla knows all about and so does the planet. We were so dumbed down that they kept it from us. Anyone who used their brain and figured free wireless energy was killed. That wanted to "charge" you and control you with a + and -. You of all people will be blown away when you see the TRUTH. It was always here, we were just lied to
 
Agree but I also think it involves accepting that there will be some climate change and the need to adapt to it (at least until there is some bigger tech solution for that).

In the long long run, over enough time, I also think we are all either doomed or off planet because something is going to get us (and of those things, climate change if fairly low on my list to lose sleep over). Far more worried about a nuclear exchange over the Baltics or Taiwan than the earth warming to a cinder or COVID.
I don't disagree and I ultimately think the sun and earth have much stronger control over the climate than we do. I think we've done a tremendous job in certain cases with improving water quality. Maybe a more efficient approach is to improve things on a case by case basis, i.e. scars here and there on the earth instead of trying to implement global policies that are likely to fail for a variety of reasons.
 
USDA is not exactly an impartial observer on this, and 1.24 or 1.3 is not really good enough to justify the land use.

On the other hand, if the 5.4 switchgrass number holds up, I may become an ethanol fan.

I remember w standing in what looked like a Texas roadside ditch the first time he brought up switchgrass. I got the impression it was essentially a free weed, sort of like the blackberries that grow alongside the roads in Oregon.
 
The lack of awareness regarding many using/advocating electric vehicles is always interesting.

- They don't realize that in most cases in the US their electricity comes from fossil fuel powered plants
- They like to say drilling for oil harms the environment...completely overlooking the fact that to get the materials needed for batteries requires mining on a large scale.

And so on.

I am not against electric. But it isn't nearly as clean as it is presented to be.
They oversell electric, but it is still a big win.

A small electric car gets about 4 miles per kilowatt hour. A comparable size gasoline car with similar acceleration would get about 30 mpg.

Which means you have to ask whether 15 kilowatt hours are worse then two gallons of gasoline.

The electricity costs you 12.75 pounds of CO2. (using national average of .85 lbs per kwh)
The gas costs you 37.48 pounds of CO2. (average of 18.74 lbs per gallon)

Over the 180,000 mile life of the car, that saves you about 37 tons of CO2.

You still have to make the battery, which is more energy intensive than making a combustion engine. But you’re still saving around 30 tons of CO2 per car.

More, if you can switch to non-carbon power generation for your lithium refining.
 
California needs to up its water storage. The last major water projects in the state were in the 60s. Since that time the population has more than doubled.
"Whisky is for drinking, water is for fighting".

Had a property in Utah that I subdivided. Only well water for drinking and local ditch for irrigation. Let me just say, you learn about your neighbors. Fun times getting that approved. Best part is the most opposition came from those that just recently subdivided or built themselves.

"The difference between a developer and an environmentalist is a developer wants to build a house in the woods and an environmentalist already owns a house in the woods."
 
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