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NorCalDad said:
I don't think censorship is the right direction either and I think the more the left pushes on it the worse it's going to get. I know I'm fully capable to discern when Rogan is spewing BS and when he's not. I think the question I have, one I have no answer for, is how to reason about people believing everything someone like Alex Jones says. I know for a fact these people exist. I mean look at Qanon and all of that noise. I know conspiracy theorists have existed since the beginning of time, but in these days it feels much more accessible. Prior to the Internet it was just fringe beliefs. As far as opening it up for debate, I just don't see that happening -- I mean look at this thread.
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That feeling you have (and I share your feelings towards extremists on the rights) is the same feeling I get from the left too. Like when the left tries to say the price increases are just due to corporations pushing profits instead of market forces setting prices. Or when they say the deficits can be waived away by taxing the 1 percent into oblivion. Or when they are shutting down schools but the bars and restaurants are packed to capacity and they are trying to put N95s on little kids. I have the same issue with those on the left that think they can waive away climate change with electric cars and renewables as I do with the climate deniers on the right.
 
Grace T. said:
That feeling you have (and I share your feelings towards extremists on the rights) is the same feeling I get from the left too. Like when the left tries to say the price increases are just due to corporations pushing profits instead of market forces setting prices. Or when they say the deficits can be waived away by taxing the 1 percent into oblivion. Or when they are shutting down schools but the bars and restaurants are packed to capacity and they are trying to put N95s on little kids. I have the same issue with those on the left that think they can waive away climate change with electric cars and renewables as I do with the climate deniers on the right.
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Who is proposing taxing the 1% into oblivion?

Interesting usages of "waive".
 
Grace T. said:
That feeling you have (and I share your feelings towards extremists on the rights) is the same feeling I get from the left too. Like when the left tries to say the price increases are just due to corporations pushing profits instead of market forces setting prices. Or when they say the deficits can be waived away by taxing the 1 percent into oblivion. Or when they are shutting down schools but the bars and restaurants are packed to capacity and they are trying to put N95s on little kids. I have the same issue with those on the left that think they can waive away climate change with electric cars and renewables as I do with the climate deniers on the right.
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Electric cars and renewable energy sources are only elements of attacking the real crux of the problem -- the rising concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. The Earth has been storing away carbon for millions of years. It is naive to think that releasing all that in the form of a heat-concentrating gas over a couple of centuries will have no undesired effects.

And when coal hawks such as Joe Manchin preach "clean coal" they are implicitly admitting that the unbridled use of fossil fuels is a problem (and coal is the worst).
 
watfly said:
Its become impossible to objectively look at the nature of the censorship and not reach your conclusions.

They hide behind the curtain of claiming misinformation. When in reality it not so much misinformation as its just not their truth.

Im radically free speech. Even if its completely off the charts wacky or hateful. Id rather know who they are than have them silenced and hide in the shadows. And while im pro free speech, I also believe the right should be exercised with responsibility
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the people yelling about misinformation, mostly legacy media don’t really care about misinformation, they care about being in control of the Information

these are the same people who believed Jussie Smollet
 
espola said:
Electric cars and renewable energy sources are only elements of attacking the real crux of the problem -- the rising concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. The Earth has been storing away carbon for millions of years. It is naive to think that releasing all that in the form of a heat-concentrating gas over a couple of centuries will have no undesired effects.

And when coal hawks such as Joe Manchin preach "clean coal" they are implicitly admitting that the unbridled use of fossil fuels is a problem (and coal is the worst).
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Norcaldad: see exhibit A :) :) :)
 
NorCalDad said:
I don't think censorship is the right direction either and I think the more the left pushes on it the worse it's going to get. I know I'm fully capable to discern when Rogan is spewing BS and when he's not. I think the question I have, one I have no answer for, is how to reason about people believing everything someone like Alex Jones says. I know for a fact these people exist. I mean look at Qanon and all of that noise. I know conspiracy theorists have existed since the beginning of time, but in these days it feels much more accessible. Prior to the Internet it was just fringe beliefs. As far as opening it up for debate, I just don't see that happening -- I mean look at this thread.
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I personally wouldnt give Alex Jones a platform no more than I would Farrakahn. We will always have the fringes on both ends, but yes the fringe koolaid is more accessible these days.

In terms of this forum, most of us agree on a substantive basis. I.e. pro-vax but anti-goverment mandate. We are really arguing over rhetoric and how we got to the same answer. Of course some just like to hurl insults because they are protected by a computer screen.
 
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