Vaccine

You certainly like to minsconstrue my position. I assure you I'm neither uninformed nor misguided. I am clearly pro-vaccine to those most vulnerable. I am pro vaccine if you choose to get one. I am not pro forcing people to vaccinate healthy members of their family because others are scared, even if vaccinated. Please point out where I fall back on relying on natural immunity for everyone. Point out the clear data that indicates we should vaccinate healthy children? It's important to age stratify risk, especially when dealing with pharma products still under EUA. It's a basic principle.
It's so odd that he keeps coming back with stuff like "I personally don't care if y'all get the vaccine or not." Who is he talking to? There's one guy on here that I know of who isn't vaxxed. The position you state above is pretty close to where everyone on Team Reality has been for quite some time.
 
Funny how this works. And yet they were and are demanding proof of vaxx in some parts of the country and some groups want them in more places.

Amazing how wrong the experts have been, and how OFF BASE recommendations for proof of vaxx, etc have been.

"DENVER (KDVR) — Natural immunity was six times stronger during the delta wave than vaccination, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The report, published Jan. 19, analyzed COVID outcome data from New York and California, which make up about one in six of the nation’s total COVID deaths."

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"Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study.

“Importantly, infection-derived protection was greater after the highly transmissible Delta variant became predominant,” reads the report, “coinciding with early declining of vaccine-induced immunity in many persons.”


Not sure where the "six times stronger" claim came from. From the report in question --

During the study period, COVID-19 incidence in both states was highest among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis compared with that among the other three groups. During the week beginning May 30, 2021, compared with COVID-19 case rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, COVID-19 case rates were 19.9-fold (California) and 18.4-fold (New York) lower among vaccinated persons without a previous diagnosis; 7.2-fold (California) and 9.9-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis; and 9.6-fold (California) and 8.5-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis. During the same period, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates in California followed a similar pattern. These relationships changed after the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant became predominant (i.e., accounted for >50% of sequenced isolates) in late June and July. By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19.
 

I have a confession here. This is my favorite of the pandemic videos now. It has a little bit of everything: masker v. antimasker conflict, the reverse karen, BLM, an assault, lady angry about masks pulls down her masks to yell, small elevator, mental hysteria all in the course of twenty five seconds. It's perfect...a time capsule of the current age.
 
I have a confession here. This is my favorite of the pandemic videos now. It has a little bit of everything: masker v. antimasker conflict, the reverse karen, BLM, an assault, lady angry about masks pulls down her masks to yell, small elevator, mental hysteria all in the course of twenty five seconds. It's perfect...a time capsule of the current age.
Don’t forget the lady wearing black rubber gloves!
 
When will people realize this is just going to keep going on forever, there are always going to be variants. Do people really plan on taking boosters every 4 to 6 months? Do they really want to give their kids a booster every 4 to 6 months? Do they want to wear masks forever? This is something we are going to have to learn to live with, protect the vulnerable and let others live their lives.

 
The insanity continues. This is just for the initial vaccinations, which have likely warn off by now for many students. Of course, you know they will follow-up with periodic booster requirements, which in effect makes this more of a government prescribed medical treatment than a vaccination. Like I said before we are a country founded by geniuses and run by idiots.

 
The insanity continues. This is just for the initial vaccinations, which have likely warn off by now for many students. Of course, you know they will follow-up with periodic booster requirements, which in effect makes this more of a government prescribed medical treatment than a vaccination. Like I said before we are a country founded by geniuses and run by idiots.

This Weiner guy is a complete idiot. If you want anymore evidence that California is a nanny state, this takes the cake.

"On Thursday, Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) introduced Senate Bill 866, which would permit children 12 and older to choose to be vaccinated, including against COVID-19, without a parent’s consent or knowledge."

This is going to be another year of the parent like we saw in Virginia. The left is going to continue to lose parents because of this lunacy. I think I recall Dad4 and maybe Espola claiming that the kid that was bribed by the school nurse to get a vaccination was just an "administrative mistake". Clearly its the Dems goal to vaccinate kids without parental consent, because, you know, Dems know what's best for us.
 
More letters going to Newsom. This time lead by doctors at UCSF


The petition calls for 17 changes. All are worth reading. A few stand out to me.

- The failure of leadership to recognize this continues to divide us.
"Acknowledge that any adult and most school age children have now had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated, and that forcing further mandates, particularly requiring boosters for children, is likely to increase mistrust and resentment of government and public health officials."

- The failure to do this contributed to our leadership earning the label 'Team Fear'
"Acknowledge the smaller risk that COVID-19 illness poses to children compared to the disproportionate toll that mitigation measures have taken on children."

- The failure to do this is why our leadership is seen as myopic.
"Commit to a rigorous cost-benefit analysis for all COVID restrictive policies to ensure that benefit always outweighs harm, without disproportionately prioritizing prevention of COVID-19 transmission above all other health considerations."
 
This Weiner guy is a complete idiot. If you want anymore evidence that California is a nanny state, this takes the cake.

"On Thursday, Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) introduced Senate Bill 866, which would permit children 12 and older to choose to be vaccinated, including against COVID-19, without a parent’s consent or knowledge."

This is going to be another year of the parent like we saw in Virginia. The left is going to continue to lose parents because of this lunacy. I think I recall Dad4 and maybe Espola claiming that the kid that was bribed by the school nurse to get a vaccination was just an "administrative mistake". Clearly its the Dems goal to vaccinate kids without parental consent, because, you know, Dems know what's best for us.

Bribed? You mean like "No gas, no squeegee"?
 
The south shall rise again!!!! Oh that’s not what I meant


Yup! But Ireland still did this despite all that, with a peak five times the size of all prior peaks. It's important to recognize the fact that the vaccine is insufficient to prevent waves of cases (if we should even be caring about cases at this point).


 
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