What did they get wrong in the article?
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What did they get wrong in the article?
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How are you and I any different? Have you read your posts and the absolutism they convey? I mean I encourage you to go back read posts by yourself and other self proclaimed "Team Reality" folks. It's not pretty. To quote you "You don't know what I do for a living and likewise.". You are absolutely correct here, yet you're the one who presumed I live a privileged lifestyle and even expressed certainty with that view with "I may be completely wrong but I doubt it." Sooooo...yeah.
I bring up Bay Area communities because they have high vaccination rates. This has nothing to do with superiority. I get that you all are anti-mandate. I get that. Where I take issue is when you all argue against vaccines to make your case. I think that is misguided and uninformed. There are other legitimate arguments against mandates to be made. The incessant down playing of the effectiveness of the vaccine is exhausting. You couple those arguments with the fact that I know, given a highly vaccinated area, things have actually worked out rather well.
So what part of the opinion piece do you disagree with?The article in question is an opinion piece.
Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now
Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...www.bmj.com
You've simplified my (and likely others on here) view on vaccines and mandates. No where have I stated my opposition to vaccines. I'm vaccinated, my employees are vaccinated, 75% of my family is vaccinated. I've had a breakthrough infection, a very mild one at that. No one in my family is boosted and will not get boosted. My employees will choose whether they get boosted.Where I take issue is when you all argue against vaccines to make your case. I think that is misguided and uninformed. There are other legitimate arguments against mandates to be made. The incessant down playing of the effectiveness of the vaccine is exhausting. You couple those arguments with the fact that I know, given a highly vaccinated area, things have actually worked out rather well.
I saw a pic of LA Ram fans all fired up watching the game with No mask on. Today, I see kids waiting for bus, all with mask and bus driver with a mask on. Something a lot worse then mandates is going on.You've simplified my (and likely others on here) view on vaccines and mandates. No where have I stated my opposition to vaccines. I'm vaccinated, my employees are vaccinated, 75% of my family is vaccinated. I've had a breakthrough infection, a very mild one at that. No one in my family is boosted and will not get boosted. My employees will choose whether they get boosted.
The data is clear and supports the efficacy in preventing severe disease and death, especially those ove 65. My issue isn't even with people who blindly follow policy makers driven by political aspiration. It's evident to me that science and logic has been abandoned or mabye even lost to politics and fear.
The vaccines do not: provide complete protection to the vaccinated, confer immunity on par or better than prior infection, and do not prevent transmission. If all of this is true, then mandates don't make sense, the logic fails.
There are plenty of novel therapututics available that reduce risk of hospitalization and death by 50-90%. Exisiting drugs repurposed drugs have been proven to be more effective. And our health care systems have evolved in executing critical care for covid. Are our health systems being challenged right now? Sure. They always are this time of the year. COVID has challenged them more - more involved in treating covid patients, availability of staff, etc.
At this point, mandates don't make sense, plenty of reasons why. Choice is a good idea though. Good health is hard to mandate. Even terminally ill patients dont' listen to their providers. Has always been like that. Really good bedside manners and education usually work better than mandates.
Difference being, your position regarding vaccines has been, and continues to be, ever-changing, based on the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of the vaccine...hell, the government had to change the definition of vaccine to meet their narrative and you just blindly accepted it. Your position has been forced to evolve basically to...since I've gotten the vaccine and boosters then everyone else must get them as well. The only position in all this that has remained consistent is that of personal choice and no mandates for an experimental vaccine.How are you and I any different? Have you read your posts and the absolutism they convey? I mean I encourage you to go back read posts by yourself and other self proclaimed "Team Reality" folks. It's not pretty. To quote you "You don't know what I do for a living and likewise.". You are absolutely correct here, yet you're the one who presumed I live a privileged lifestyle and even expressed certainty with that view with "I may be completely wrong but I doubt it." Sooooo...yeah.
I bring up Bay Area communities because they have high vaccination rates. This has nothing to do with superiority. I get that you all are anti-mandate. I get that. Where I take issue is when you all argue against vaccines to make your case. I think that is misguided and uninformed. There are other legitimate arguments against mandates to be made. The incessant down playing of the effectiveness of the vaccine is exhausting. You couple those arguments with the fact that I know, given a highly vaccinated area, things have actually worked out rather well.
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Grant Wahl at Gregg Berhalter press conference. Its a zoom press conference every reporter are in different locations.
Have to virtual signal ? I don't know if he has Covid ? I would assume he could isolate in a room in his house.
It's actually much worse than cheerleading. Many have become authoritarian suppressors of free speech and choice.You liberals and media lackeys used to question and challenge government at every turn...now you're nothing more than government cheerleaders.
I was being kind...I stand corrected.It's actually much worse than cheerleading. Many have become authoritarian suppressors of free speech and choice.
These men are on the yell team bro. "Let's go team Vax, boosters and mask" This Vax team is full of spite, full of fear and yes, full of shit!!! That my friend is why we all lost two years of our freedom and counting.It's actually much worse than cheerleading. Many have become authoritarian suppressors of free speech and choice.
So what part of the opinion piece do you disagree with?
- That they should release the study information related to testing of the various vaccines?
- Or do you disagree with the fact that the FDA doesn't want to release certain information for 75 years?
And which of the above is right wing and not worthy of discussion?
Do you prefer not to know what their testing shows? And what rational basis would the FDA have for asking for a 75 yr delay in releasing information?
The vaccines do not: provide complete protection to the vaccinated, confer immunity on par or better than prior infection, and do not prevent transmission. If all of this is true, then mandates don't make sense, the logic fails.
So what part of the opinion piece do you disagree with?
- That they should release the study information related to testing of the various vaccines?
- Or do you disagree with the fact that the FDA doesn't want to release certain information for 75 years?
And which of the above is right wing and not worthy of discussion?
Do you prefer not to know what their testing shows? And what rational basis would the FDA have for asking for a 75 yr delay in releasing information?