Vaccine

It was largely confined to countries in the middle east, and, as evident from the case numbers, this virus thankfully did not cause a pandemic. I do know someone personally who was lucky to survive MERS. It is not a virus you'd wish to experience.
Which one is? And if we weren't hyper-PCR testing back then how would we have known if thousands of service members who served in the Middle East didn't bring MERS back to the states that presented as the common cold or flu? Probably just burned itself out like other Corona virus induced diseases that our immune systems bagged and tagged.
 
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It is relevant because both were caused by the Corona Virus.

The data was never missing. It was simply ignored and thus the masses were easily manipulated to believe we were dealing with something completely new and, Lockdowns were the only way to go.
SARS-cov1, SARS-cov2, and MERS are three different viruses. There are a lot of viruses out there, including a lot that are in the coronavirus family. These viruses do share some similarities, but are definitely different. Check out their sequences and encoded proteins, mechanism of entry, etc yourself if you are not convinced. The data is published and much is accessible to the general public. Not all retroviruses are HIV1, not all rhabdoviridae are rabies viruses, and not all picornavirus are the poliovirus.

But yes, it does seem that people can be easily manipulated.
 
Which one is? And if we weren't hyper-PCR testing back then how would we have known if thousands of service members who served in the Middle East didn't bring MERS back to the states that presented as the common cold or flu? Probably just burned itself out like other Corona virus induced diseases that our immune systems bagged and tagged.

halftime at el traffico. the difference between several hundred with an IFR 0.3 and 4.5 million or whatever it is now with an IFR .02 is probably not attributable to sample error.
 
It is indisputable at this point that vaccinated individuals are must less likely to be hospitalized have complications compared to unvaccinated individual.

As a healthcare worker I have seen plenty of patients get sicks then call me saying they should have been vaccinated. I have seen strokes, lung transplants, kidney failures, chronic fatigue. People that simoly dont function normally any more.

Everyone thinks their natural immune system is just fine until they get sick have a stroke, have kidney failure, or need a lung transplant.

All healthy people under the age of 60.

I am a lot more direct now. Stop being a stupid take the vaccine so you wont call me when its too late.

Sure you might survive but you might also have a stroke and have your kids changing your diapers for the rest of your life. Thats a faith worst than death.
 
It is indisputable at this point that vaccinated individuals are must less likely to be hospitalized have complications compared to unvaccinated individual.

As a healthcare worker I have seen plenty of patients get sicks then call me saying they should have been vaccinated. I have seen strokes, lung transplants, kidney failures, chronic fatigue. People that simoly dont function normally any more.

Everyone thinks their natural immune system is just fine until they get sick have a stroke, have kidney failure, or need a lung transplant.

All healthy people under the age of 60.

I am a lot more direct now. Stop being a stupid take the vaccine so you wont call me when its too late.

Sure you might survive but you might also have a stroke and have your kids changing your diapers for the rest of your life. Thats a faith worst than death.
The argument isn’t only vaxxed v unvaxxed. The other argument is whether those previously infected with the Rona have sufficient protection and therefore don’t need the vax, need only a booster (and if so when). or need the whole course of treatment. The info that’s come out seems to indicate natural immunity is fairly robust. But of course if you haven’t had a symptomatic case, you should get vaxxed.
 
The argument isn’t only vaxxed v unvaxxed. The other argument is whether those previously infected with the Rona have sufficient protection and therefore don’t need the vax, need only a booster (and if so when). or need the whole course of treatment. The info that’s come out seems to indicate natural immunity is fairly robust. But of course if you haven’t had a symptomatic case, you should get vaxxed.
Btw it’s unlikely the health experts will come out at this point and say they goofed with natural immunity. Such an admission means that after the elderly were vaxxed, they probably killed a ton of people (both in the us and abroad) by not prioritizing those who had not had the Rona first.
 
one of the con websites (I forget who) tracked down the teacher for comment. Apparently claimed wasn’t concerned because the kids were masked.
Blame the messaging. Its shameful. There was so much focus on masking the healthy that we ignored the sick.

The message should have been that masks provide limited protection and if you're sick, masking your self and others is likely not going prevent transmission. Stay home and quarantine.
 
Blame the messaging. Its shameful. There was so much focus on masking the healthy that we ignored the sick.

The message should have been that masks provide limited protection and if you're sick, masking your self and others is likely not going prevent transmission. Stay home and quarantine.
The messaging was made considerably more difficult by the considerable number of unqualified people putting out disinformation.

The simple message was "My mask protects you; your mask protects me.". That message came out in April 2020.

Unfortunately, that simple message was muddled by 16 months of bogus arguments from various anti mask zealots, some of whom have the gall to complain about it now.
 
The messaging was made considerably more difficult by the considerable number of unqualified people putting out disinformation.

The simple message was "My mask protects you; your mask protects me.". That message came out in April 2020.

Unfortunately, that simple message was muddled by 16 months of bogus arguments from various anti mask zealots, some of whom have the gall to complain about it now.
Like when Fauci said we didn’t need them and when Pelosi broadcast from China Town? Then Donald doubled down…..smh
 
The messaging was made considerably more difficult by the considerable number of unqualified people putting out disinformation.

The simple message was "My mask protects you; your mask protects me.". That message came out in April 2020.

Unfortunately, that simple message was muddled by 16 months of bogus arguments from various anti mask zealots, some of whom have the gall to complain about it now.
We can argue which has been more problematic, overselling or underselling masks. Id argue its the overselling which gave people a false sense of security like the teacher in question. Stop selling a mask as the panacea of protection. How about the truth that masks only provide limited protection.

Regardless of your position on masks, the biggest problem with the policies are they treat healthy people and sick people virtually the same. Just FYI you cant get Covid from someone that doesnt have it. I dont know why thats such a diifficult concept for many to comprehend. The media and the talking heads would have you believe that if you go to a crowded place indoors without a mask you're going to get Covid. Sorry but thats not how it works.

If your infected or think your infected stay home. Dont go out in public thinking a mask is going to protect others from your virus.
 
We can argue which has been more problematic, overselling or underselling masks. Id argue its the overselling which gave people a false sense of security like the teacher in question. Stop selling a mask as the panacea of protection. How about the truth that masks only provide limited protection.

Regardless of your position on masks, the biggest problem with the policies are they treat healthy people and sick people virtually the same. Just FYI you cant get Covid from someone that doesnt have it. I dont know why thats such a diifficult concept for many to comprehend. The media and the talking heads would have you believe that if you go to a crowded place indoors without a mask you're going to get Covid. Sorry but thats not how it works.

If your infected or think your infected stay home. Dont go out in public thinking a mask is going to protect others from your virus.
Most of the mask messages I have seen have been in the “reduces but does not eliminate” category. (The others are straight up misinformation, like you see from Grace, Hound, or Dizzy.)

Not sure where you are seeing people say “mask = zero risk.”, but I completely agree that it is a dangerous oversimplification.
 
Most of the mask messages I have seen have been in the “reduces but does not eliminate” category. (The others are straight up misinformation, like you see from Grace, Hound, or Dizzy.)

Not sure where you are seeing people say “mask = zero risk.”, but I completely agree that it is a dangerous oversimplification.
The weight that the media, the medical talking heads, health policy leaders and politicians have put on mask wearing overwhelms any suggestion that masks "reduce but does not eliminate".
 
I got to spend time yesterday with my wife's family. All have been jabbed except my wife and I. It got heated at the pool. I feel it's important to share from real life stories from real life. Backdrop: One is Athletic Director of a big HS in the IE, one is school counselor and two work for the county. Grandpa & Grandma are retired and both have Alzheimers. We were all chilling and somehow the conversation came up about where my dd is going to go to college. Success on that side is college or bust. We said it's been tough for the 2022s because of Politics & the War that were currently in. Mr. AD decided to chime in. Sister in law new boyfriend btw and he thinks he knows what's best. Dude acted like a health professional instead of a sports guy.

AD: Why won;t dd get jabbed
Crush: You should ask her
Crush: Why can;t she play soccer in college without the Jab
AD: Its note safe to have unvax person on the field
Crush: What did you just say? These players are super healthy and no one is going to die who is healthy.
AD: What about the 53 year old ref?
Crush: You have to be kidding me, right? I thought ref is vaccinated? What is he afraid of?
AD: We have to protect everyone and if your dd plays, she can infect those on the field
((Crush's wife comes over and gives me that look and the reminder that we both agreed to not talk Jab at family get together))
Crush: Tell you what Mr. AD. When you lose your job and have nowhere to work to pay your bills, let's talk.
Sister in law: Well Crush, we all have to live with the choices we make and the consequences that come with those choices.
Crush: 100% agree. I need to go take a walk to chill out.
Then the two county workers decided to chime in and give their two cents on why my wife and I and my dd are being super selfish and a danger to others as I was going to take my walk. I did not respond and just went for a long walk. It's sad after 24 years of marriage and love with my Outlaws that it's come down to Jab or no jab :(

Jab vs no Jab!!
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The weight that the media, the medical talking heads, health policy leaders and politicians have put on mask wearing overwhelms any suggestion that masks "reduce but does not eliminate".
They even used the words eliminate or control….at various times claiming (before that message switches to vaxxing) if everyone wears one we can control/eliminate in x weeks. Even the recent mask studies have admitted they were oversold. A more proper message at the start of this would have been: hey they help a little to reduce cases particular indoors…they won’t protect you but wearing a mask might help that essential worker who needs to work. The dilemma now is that the messaging is hard to do without admitting the vaccine isn’t all that they had hoped. To claim its misinformation the health authorities did and continue to do this is out and out lying.
 
If your infected or think your infected stay home.
Very true. I would add that it would have really helped if the virus was only spread by symptomatic people, and it was clear that their symptoms were attributable to the virus. If we had great testing (easy, accessible,fast) and contract tracing in place, it would be another way people to know whether they were likely to spread the virus. With delta's ability to spread so readily, it can be difficult to get ahead of the infections.
 
If we had great testing (easy, accessible,fast) and contract tracing in place, it would be another way people to know whether they were likely to spread the virus. With delta's ability to spread so readily, it can be difficult to get ahead of the infections.
Good morning Mr. Roadrunner. If you feel sick, stay TFH, so easy.
 
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