Vaccine
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As long as you think of ”do masks work” as a yes/no question, it won’t make any sense.
Their effectiveness is neither zero nor one. It’s in the middle.
That makes them ineffective as personal protection, but very effective on a population wide scale…. if your population does the basics like moving life outside and giving other people some space.
It’s your micro/macro distinction, except you’ve had it backwards the whole time.
Where our disagreement has been is you say “in the middle” which on a macro basis I find laughable given the effects we see worldwide (even in vaxx plus mask areas). The correct answer is “a little” which helped a bit against the prime, not much against the delta and probably does bubkis against omicron.
And I have it backwards? I’m not the one who wears an n95 to the supermarket. Your n95 does nothing to add to the collective welfare. If the collective welfare is your concern that’s an indication you either: a. Don’t believe your own rhetoric about masks or b. Are scared and concerned for yourself.
finally I find it laughable that you think people are moving things outside and giving people space still. See pictures of bars in New York? Thanksgiving in the northeast? The mayor up their repeatedly partying? Even most blue checks aren’t doing that except in places they can pressure point like schools (my last business trip a month ago 30% of the airport had chin diapers). Distancing might be Shangri la to an introvert like you…most people won’t do it for 3 plus years and if govt tries to force it at this point you see mass civil unrest.
Ps even your vaunted Bangladesh study if you discount all the criticism and note it was mostly pre delta doesn’t show it will work on a population wide basis. All the evidence (even looking at Scotland v England or orange v Los Angeles county) show it doesn’t. But that’s the essence of religion and belief in a talisman…you’ll never give it up as a matter if faith.
I was talking to a manager at a big box store the other day and he was so stressed out trying to be the mandate enforcer and ref when people argue or fight. Coaches are feeling the stress as well. They just want to coach, not be the health inspector. Even LeBron is getting pissed off finally and finds this all so inconvenient to his life and family. Think how hard it must be for those who got fired from their jobs because they said no to this BS.
Bucs' Bruce Arians tries moving on from players' vax card drama: 'I don't give a s--- about that'
Antonio Brown was accused of submitting a fake vaccination card last month
Los Angeles Lakers' LeBron James 'frustrated' by NBA's COVID-19 testing process
((So are we bro. Some of us got fired and some can;t work because of how Covid 19 is being used to divide all of us against each other. I and others just want to be left alone and to be free and earn a buck like the next guy or girl.
More from my new pal LeBron. We need you big time. You have a big head and loud voice. Help us and we will help you.
"Usually when you have a positive test, they'll test you right away to make sure," James said. "There was not a follow-up test after my positive test. It was straight to isolation and you've been put into protocol. That's the part that kind of angered me. I had to figure out a way to get home from Sacramento by myself. They wouldn't allow anyone to travel with me, no security, no anything, when I traveled back from Sacramento.
"And then I had to put my kids in isolation for the time being, the people in my household in isolation for the time being, so it was just a big-time inconvenience. That was the anger part."
I feel your pain brother Lebron. Look man, I know a man WHO lost his job over the Covid 19 testing. Insane, right? I know another man whose papa was dying and he was not allowed to say good bye, except through a window. Crazy, right? I know a girl who won't and can't get the shot because of Asthma attack and another girl because it's against her Native American Tribes teaching about this.
Bucs' Bruce Arians tries moving on from players' vax card drama: 'I don't give a s--- about that'
Antonio Brown was accused of submitting a fake vaccination card last month
Los Angeles Lakers' LeBron James 'frustrated' by NBA's COVID-19 testing process
((So are we bro. Some of us got fired and some can;t work because of how Covid 19 is being used to divide all of us against each other. I and others just want to be left alone and to be free and earn a buck like the next guy or girl.
More from my new pal LeBron. We need you big time. You have a big head and loud voice. Help us and we will help you.
"Usually when you have a positive test, they'll test you right away to make sure," James said. "There was not a follow-up test after my positive test. It was straight to isolation and you've been put into protocol. That's the part that kind of angered me. I had to figure out a way to get home from Sacramento by myself. They wouldn't allow anyone to travel with me, no security, no anything, when I traveled back from Sacramento.
"And then I had to put my kids in isolation for the time being, the people in my household in isolation for the time being, so it was just a big-time inconvenience. That was the anger part."
I feel your pain brother Lebron. Look man, I know a man WHO lost his job over the Covid 19 testing. Insane, right? I know another man whose papa was dying and he was not allowed to say good bye, except through a window. Crazy, right? I know a girl who won't and can't get the shot because of Asthma attack and another girl because it's against her Native American Tribes teaching about this.
Can we discuss things without going off on tangents? We start talking about the difference between individual and population scale protections. The next paragraph, you’re discussing the fact that the mayor of SF is a self-absorbed twit. Ok. She’s a twit. Can we stay on topic?
As I said, you have it backwards.
A 50% reduction to transmission doesn’t mean much to an individual suffering repeated exposure over a prolonged period. Eventually, you get unlucky.
A 50% reduction to transmission for a population is the difference between a disease that goes nowhere and a disease which doubles every 2 weeks.
More simply, masks are minorly effective on an individual scale, but reasonable effective on a population scale.
What you do with that information is up to you.
You math guys always mess up the assumptions. Again it’s why they don’t trust you with the big decisions. Just because you have a50% (which is laughable…no one has found that) individual basis does not mean it scales to a population basis. The micro is actually an incidence count. The MACRO IS FOR THE VERY REASON YOU OUTLINE: repeated exposures and (the variable you ALWAYS miss time and time again…little pun) time. It’s called the scaling problem in economics. There’s also the imperfections curve (that as you scale little errors creep in like people not wearing masks properly). You’ve just disproven your own beliefs, you don’t even realize it, and because of your blind faith you don’t even see it
you are like mr Pitt staring at the 3D painting right now.
what-happened
GOLD
Mutations tend to skew towards less dangerous, but not always. I don't think anyone is suprised that we have a mutation that is more transmissable, is better at evading immunity, but appears to be less severe. Jury is still out on severity and the U5 data is troubling, especially if deaths follow.
In this part of the world, where NGOs are very effective at executing mass public health initiatives, we've given them little to no support. Africa presents many logistical issues and are always a step behind, needing assistance across the spectrum. Simple things like syringe availablity, storage capacity, etc. Don't worry, SC county will weather a potential omicron outbreak just fine, as will most of CA.
thirteenknots
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* Who?
Just about every person with a ( D ) behind there name.
* Where?
America
* Everyone I know took precautions and lived their lives.
You live on the internet, doesn't count.
* Have you seen this personally or is this a hunch, a guess or something you were told?
Spit out the Blue pill and go outside.
thirteenknots
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thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
WOW......There is going to be a Huge awakening in 6 - 12 months of people who realize
they've been Jim Jones Koolaid duped by the Fauci " Kill Shot ".
Below is an updated ( Dec 3rd, 2021 ) link by a Dr Coleman who is ever increasing
the list of individuals adversely affected/Killed by the 1,2,3 or more Covid Jabs.
Look at the increase in Feild Sports players having serious heart conditions
while playing, everyone had the " Jab ".
This is beyond sad anymore, it's just plain EVIL and GRUESOME.
UPDATED: How Many People Are the Vaccines Killing? | Dr Vernon Coleman
they've been Jim Jones Koolaid duped by the Fauci " Kill Shot ".
Below is an updated ( Dec 3rd, 2021 ) link by a Dr Coleman who is ever increasing
the list of individuals adversely affected/Killed by the 1,2,3 or more Covid Jabs.
Look at the increase in Feild Sports players having serious heart conditions
while playing, everyone had the " Jab ".
This is beyond sad anymore, it's just plain EVIL and GRUESOME.
UPDATED: How Many People Are the Vaccines Killing? | Dr Vernon Coleman
I took down my satire pic. This is not something to take lightly anymore. The desperation of these people to get people to take a shot is crazy and I would wait until more facts come out until you do any more injections. I'm a light hearted guy and make satire to talk about taboo subjects and subjects no one dare talk about. It takes a Scorpio man to deal with these Psychopaths who become killers. I'm not going to make anymore jokes about this and no more funny and goofy memes. Were past being cute & funny. This is hitting close to home and friends. I just got off the phone with a pal who works with someone who died, "unknown cause at this time." Yes he got all the jabs but no one wants to admit the Elephant in the room. Last year, it would be a Covid 19 death 100%. BTW, take the following "DELTA" & "OMICROM" and you spell, "Media Control." This is 100% worse then the Jim Jones Kool Aid.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
I've realized how bad this was/and now is for a long long while.
Many people have hated on me for telling the TRUTH, and now
some of those same are coming back around rather sheepishly.
I welcome them back no matter what.
The propaganda on this " Agenda " is really hard to convey to
certain individuals.
The amount of EVIL that has surfaced in society recently is Truely
disturbing.
For some it's quite hard to realize they've sold their.....
For :
In exchange for :
TRUTH and FREEDOM
I have no dog in the hunt whether the study is right or wrong. I just found it fascinating. To pull a dad4, I didn’t know you had epidemiological chops. They must given your other wisdom here be formidible to be so opining on the biological processes. I look forward to your treatise on why the theory is so obviously wrong. Make sure to send it to Japan asap “Salute, don corleone!”
Just more handwaving. Referring back to your previous mistakes and then disavowing them is not a valid argument.
You don't need to be an epidemiologist to understand basic biology.
Your arguments have degenerated to a handful of pithy phrases ranging from the classic “nonsense” to “handwaiving” to “strawman” and “gaslighting”. The best part is you don’t understand most of them.
yeah yeah yeah…I know: “I’m smart…I can do things…It’s not like I’m dumb…I’m smart”