Vaccine

what-happened said:
Where am I denying it? Statistics are bendy. Are these republican counties that voted for trump..of course they are. Continue to summon trump as the boogey man - it's like you are still in 2020. Besides, there are going to be pockets that will continue to refuse vaccination efforts, regardless of outcome, messaging, etc. Kinda like the lung cancer patient that continues to smoke. . Let them be. Diabetes, obesity, covid,,...all of these are prevalent in 'trump counties". Less pork pulling parties and more spinach could do the trick...won't happen though, going to a pork pull is way too much fun.

Besides, trump was booed in alabama for advocating for the vaccine. His peeps made their mind up a long time ago they weren't going to trust the government.
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The blame for this goes to the right wing media, not Trump.

Trump did a good job pushing for the vaccine, and clearing go out the usual government red tape. Thank goodness we didn't waste time arguing about prevailing wage and minimum set asides for minority owned pharmaceutical companies.

But the pro-trump media has blood on their hands. They've been beating an anti-vax drum for a while now, and it is causing deaths.
 
dad4 said:
The blame for this goes to the right wing media, not Trump.

Trump did a good job pushing for the vaccine, and clearing go out the usual government red tape. Thank goodness we didn't waste time arguing about prevailing wage and minimum set asides for minority owned pharmaceutical companies.

But the pro-trump media has blood on their hands. They've been beating an anti-vax drum for a while now, and it is causing deaths.
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What a mess at Airports. My wife's grandma just passed away. 94. Her father was 100% Cherokee. She died with her loved one's all around her at home. She was anti-vaxxer all the way to the end. The reward was no assisted living, nursing home or being in a hospital all alone when you pass away. I will drive my wife to San Antonio to celebrate her life on Friday. She loved me and told me I was handsome all the time :)

 
dad4 said:
The blame for this goes to the right wing media, not Trump.
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dad4 said:
But the pro-trump media has blood on their hands. They've been beating an anti-vax drum for a while now, and it is causing deaths.
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Not even close.

They have been pro vax. They do however come out against vax mandates. Totally a different thing. They are also against useless gov restrictions.

They don't have blood on their hands.
 
Dude was offering free burgers for jabs and now "HE" is mandating private companies to force the jabs or tell their long time employees to either get jabbed or lose your ability to earn a buck. All must be done by December 27th!!! This is starting to become biblical you guys. This is game of choice. Good and Evil and you get to decide how to behave. If a good dog and a evil dog went to blows, WHO would win the big fight? You see everyone, we all have good and bad dog in us. The one who wins is the one you feed.

NYC Announces First-In-The-Nation Vaccine Mandate For Private Companies

“We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike, to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it’s causing to all of us,” de Blasio said in an interview with MSNBC. “So as of today, we’re going to announce a first-in-the-nation measure. Our health commissioner will announce a vaccine mandate for private sector employers across the board.”

This is insane!!!
 
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Desert Hound said:
Not even close.

They have been pro vax. They do however come out against vax mandates. Totally a different thing. They are also against useless gov restrictions.

They don't have blood on their hands.
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Do you have a better explanation for the ridiculously low vaccine rate among Republicans?

I treat it as decent people who have been lied to. Are you saying they were well informed and intelligently chose a higher death rate?
 
dad4 said:
Do you have a better explanation for the ridiculously low vaccine rate among Republicans?

I treat it as decent people who have been lied to. Are you saying they were well informed and intelligently chose a higher death rate?
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I just want you to know that your behavior is only going to get you in more trouble.
 
Grace T. said:
Looks like the Israelis are headed to their 4th shot in under 1 year. Coming to your neighborhood soon. Sorry guys, this is where I get off, particularly since it looks like the vaccine doesn't do much beyond the first two shots (protecting against severe disease due to novelty) for the omicron.

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Well there are 4 lines on our vaccine cards, so it was great planning by our government.
 
espola said:
Please explain a non-crazy biological basis for "run out of mutations".
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Since I doubt you'll get anything back on this.....the virus can keep mutating, in fact a rapid rate of genetic change is hard wired in multiple ways into its replicative cycle. The argument is just classic evolutionary theory. The idea is that at some point the virus has come close to genetically optimizing its interaction with the Ace2 receptor and other potential rate limiting steps in infection. Further improvement of those steps becomes difficult to achieve and marginal in effect. CoV-2 will be as turbo charged as it can get. That's the "run out of mutations" thing. Its "run out of mutations that can be selected for in a way that increases viral replicative potential".

What's a virus to do? The only way around that genetic limit is to completely recast it's targeting strategy. Which is possible, especially now that CoV-2 is entering into new sylvatic resevoirs around the globe. This is what the Utube bloggers that put Grace into full blown Covid freakouts should be talking about. These resevoirs are natural laboratories where all sorts of recombinants slowly emerge and test the waters to see they have picked up any new tricks. Like imagine the replicative engine of Cov-S got linked up with an S protein coding region that targeted the MERS target receptor. This is something our kids to great, great grandchildren will need to be watching for.
 
dad4 said:
Do you have a better explanation for the ridiculously low vaccine rate among Republicans?

I treat it as decent people who have been lied to. Are you saying they were well informed and intelligently chose a higher death rate?
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It’s the same explanation for why a very strong g d group has low vaccination rates: a mistrust of the establishment institutions. Let’s look at the record of those institutions: health authorities who have been repeatedly wrong about things (including outright lies and most especially the complete neglect of natural immunity), a pharma industry in it for the profit and which has been caught playing fast and lose with the trials, a partisan and biased media, and politicians that repeatedly broke covid rules themselves Conservative media, rightly or wrongly, is only guilty of amplifying this sentiment. It didn’t create it. Remember last year the shoe was on the other foot with even the vp expressing reservations about the “trump vaccine”
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Since I doubt you'll get anything back on this.....the virus can keep mutating, in fact a rapid rate of genetic change is hard wired in multiple ways into its replicative cycle. The argument is just classic evolutionary theory. The idea is that at some point the virus has come close to genetically optimizing its interaction with the Ace2 receptor and other potential rate limiting steps in infection. Further improvement of those steps becomes difficult to achieve and marginal in effect. CoV-2 will be as turbo charged as it can get. That's the "run out of mutations" thing. Its "run out of mutations that can be selected for in a way that increases viral replicative potential".

What's a virus to do? The only way around that genetic limit is to completely recast it's targeting strategy. Which is possible, especially now that CoV-2 is entering into new sylvatic resevoirs around the globe. This is what the Utube bloggers that put Grace into full blown Covid freakouts should be talking about. These resevoirs are natural laboratories where all sorts of recombinants slowly emerge and test the waters to see they have picked up any new tricks. Like imagine the replicative engine of Cov-S got linked up with an S protein coding region that targeted the MERS target receptor. This is something our kids to great, great grandchildren will need to be watching for.
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Yes and the other argument is that it tries to recast its targeting strategy but fails…collapsing it’s ability to reproduce. I put it inartfully, but that’s what they in essence think has happened in Japan where covid collapsed unexpectedly even though seasonally it’s busting at the seams in South Korea.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Since I doubt you'll get anything back on this.....the virus can keep mutating, in fact a rapid rate of genetic change is hard wired in multiple ways into its replicative cycle. The argument is just classic evolutionary theory. The idea is that at some point the virus has come close to genetically optimizing its interaction with the Ace2 receptor and other potential rate limiting steps in infection. Further improvement of those steps becomes difficult to achieve and marginal in effect. CoV-2 will be as turbo charged as it can get. That's the "run out of mutations" thing. Its "run out of mutations that can be selected for in a way that increases viral replicative potential".

What's a virus to do? The only way around that genetic limit is to completely recast it's targeting strategy. Which is possible, especially now that CoV-2 is entering into new sylvatic resevoirs around the globe. This is what the Utube bloggers that put Grace into full blown Covid freakouts should be talking about. These resevoirs are natural laboratories where all sorts of recombinants slowly emerge and test the waters to see they have picked up any new tricks. Like imagine the replicative engine of Cov-S got linked up with an S protein coding region that targeted the MERS target receptor. This is something our kids to great, great grandchildren will need to be watching for.
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That sounds as if the virus were willfully directing its evolutionary path. That doesn't happen. Mutations are the results of random mistakes in the genetic replication process, some of which don't matter, some of which result in a failed organism, and some of which give an advantage. The advantage of concern nowadays is a change that defeats or bypasses the mechanism of the current vaccines.
 
Grace T. said:
It’s the same explanation for why a very strong g d group has low vaccination rates: a mistrust of the establishment institutions. Let’s look at the record of those institutions: health authorities who have been repeatedly wrong about things (including outright lies and most especially the complete neglect of natural immunity), a pharma industry in it for the profit and which has been caught playing fast and lose with the trials, a partisan and biased media, and politicians that repeatedly broke covid rules themselves Conservative media, rightly or wrongly, is only guilty of amplifying this sentiment. It didn’t create it. Remember last year the shoe was on the other foot with even the vp expressing reservations about the “trump vaccine”
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It took you a lot of words to get around to it, but you essentially agreed that the right wing media helped cause the low vax rate in right wing areas.

Basic case of decent people being misled by their institutions. Except, in this case, it was the right wing talk show hosts who did the misleading.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Since I doubt you'll get anything back on this.....the virus can keep mutating, in fact a rapid rate of genetic change is hard wired in multiple ways into its replicative cycle. The argument is just classic evolutionary theory. The idea is that at some point the virus has come close to genetically optimizing its interaction with the Ace2 receptor and other potential rate limiting steps in infection. Further improvement of those steps becomes difficult to achieve and marginal in effect. CoV-2 will be as turbo charged as it can get. That's the "run out of mutations" thing. Its "run out of mutations that can be selected for in a way that increases viral replicative potential".

What's a virus to do? The only way around that genetic limit is to completely recast it's targeting strategy. Which is possible, especially now that CoV-2 is entering into new sylvatic resevoirs around the globe. This is what the Utube bloggers that put Grace into full blown Covid freakouts should be talking about. These resevoirs are natural laboratories where all sorts of recombinants slowly emerge and test the waters to see they have picked up any new tricks. Like imagine the replicative engine of Cov-S got linked up with an S protein coding region that targeted the MERS target receptor. This is something our kids to great, great grandchildren will need to be watching for.
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I agree, the fear virus is taking my pals hostage. No amount of boosters can save you. Nothing can stop what is coming evil. God brought us to learn how to live with knowing good & evil. I always saw it as "good vs evil." No no no no, I had it all wrong. God wanted us to eat of the tree of good & evil. He even told Adam "when you eat of it....." meaning, you will eat it because I want you to. He even brought Eve to help him eat of the tree of good and evil. Still, that wasn't enough so he brought the craft serpent to "help" Eve eat it. We had it all backwards and the way the English language is used to trick people, well then you can take words and twist them the way you them to be. Q. Why would God put the tree of good and evil in the garden of eden if he didnt want us to know what he knows, which is also good and evil. It's a choice :) P.S. I didnt ask to be born on this planet. I was brought here. My wife thinks I volunteered to join this mission. I know one thing. I pick Good and see Evil as all it is. It's just shadow really. We like to come up with fearful names. I hope that helps you out today as the country falls a part.
 
Grace T. said:
Yes and the other argument is that it tries to recast its targeting strategy but fails…collapsing it’s ability to reproduce. I put it inartfully, but that’s what they in essence think has happened in Japan where covid collapsed unexpectedly even though seasonally it’s busting at the seams in South Korea.
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So all the billions (trillions?) of virus particles existing in Japan (each of which is an independent possible source of mutations) evolved down the same path?
 
dad4 said:
Do you have a better explanation for the ridiculously low vaccine rate among Republicans?
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So you are just guessing then.

A question to ask you is why is the group with the lowest vax rate one that is the most reliable D voting block? IE blacks?

You just don't hear or read in the right side press anti vax sentiments/stories. Pretty much to a T they will all say get vaxxed.

They will argue strongly against mandates and other silly gov intrusions into life.

To be honest the only side that did express concern about the vax came from D politicians in the run up to the last presidential election. One could also find stories from the left side expressing skepticism about trumps vaccines.

The vast vast majority of the population has no real risk. I think many people look at that fact and determine what they want to do vaxx wise.

Throughout the country the high risk groups have been vaxxed at high rates. In other words the people at risk have made their choice.

At this point who cares? People have decided whether they want to get vaxxed or not.

Time to move on.
 
Grace T. said:
Yes and the other argument is that it tries to recast its targeting strategy but fails…collapsing it’s ability to reproduce. I put it inartfully, but that’s what they in essence think has happened in Japan where covid collapsed unexpectedly even though seasonally it’s busting at the seams in South Korea.
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Your argument is that the virus in Japan ran out of productive mutations, but the virus in other countries did not?

What a fascinating theory. It is bat shit crazy, but fascinating.
 
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