Vaccine

Grace T. said:
so far the 4th is limited to immunocompromised people. If they do move to 4 for the general population it's over. It's the flu shot and you'll have widespread noncompliance if they attempt to mandate it. Otherwise reasonable people are already fed up with being told they have to have 2, 3 is a heavy lift, 4 forgetaboutit.
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So, when I went to get my flu shot on Wednesday after they told me I didn’t qualify for the Covid booster, they changed their mind and said I could get the booster. So, I got both shots. And, no @crush, no unpleasant side effects. My hearing and sight are still perfect out of all 3 ears and all 5 eyes.

I can probably stand to lose another 5 pounds and add another bike workout each week. I’ll continue those efforts going. I think it’s wise to hedge my bets. I’m really just hoping the booster eliminates the added risk of all the pork I plan to eat around the holidays.
 
Haven't visited this forum for a while now. Seeing the usual back and forth about vaccine, no vaccine, mask, no mask. Personally, I got my Pfizer shots and a booster. I work in healthcare and I've seen way too much not to want protection against COVID. Good news is the antiviral in pill form that Pfizer is working to get FDA approval for. Results were so good that the clinical trial was ended early. I think antivirals are our best hope to get this virus under control. Those who don't want to be vaccinated (until they get really sick and then it's too late) will have a weapon to fight with that's much easier to administer than monoclonal antibodies. What I'm REALLY hoping for is that Pfizer's antiviral works prophylactically. That could be key. Exposed but not yet sick? Fine, take this antiviral and COVID won't be able to take hold.
 
Grace T. said:
1. That they are having a hard time getting to people to take 2 let alone 4.
2. The flu shot rate, which is a lot less unpleasant than the COVID shot.
3. Anecdotal discussions, including folks on this forum, who were willing to get the 2 but harder to get to 3. Just don't see getting them to 4 without major problems.
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1. The majority of people are already fully vaccinated, as much as 72% in some states.
2. All of my covid vaccinations gave me nothing other than a sore arm for a few days. The flu shot put me in bad for 4 days.
3. Anecdotal bullshit.
 
espola said:
1. The majority of people are already fully vaccinated, as much as 72% in some states.
2. All of my covid vaccinations gave me nothing other than a sore arm for a few days. The flu shot put me in bad for 4 days.
3. Anecdotal bullshit.
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Last time I got a flu shot was the sickest I had been in at least 10 years and I don’t usually even get sick when everyone else in the house is.
 
Grace T. said:
so far the 4th is limited to immunocompromised people. If they do move to 4 for the general population it's over. It's the flu shot and you'll have widespread noncompliance if they attempt to mandate it. Otherwise reasonable people are already fed up with being told they have to have 2, 3 is a heavy lift, 4 forgetaboutit.
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Magic number is 4? I took five dtap shots. So did most people. About half of us got the flu shot each year. That adds up to way more than 4 shots.

You can scream “MAN THE BARRICADES!!!!!”. Up to you.

Most of us know that the original schedule was optimized for speed. Is 4 weeks really better than 12? Maybe. Maybe not. But we had thousands of people dying each day last winter. Waiting another 8 weeks for data was not appealing.

One side effect of saving those lives is that you and I might have gotten one more booster than was necessary…. if we knew the optimal schedule, which we did not.

I’m ok with that. You sound aggrieved. Have fun at the barricades.

You’re suggesting people take a 0.2% chance of death to avoid a sore arm and win some point on an internet forum.
 
dad4 said:
Magic number is 4? I took five dtap shots. So did most people. About half of us got the flu shot each year. That adds up to way more than 4 shots.

You can scream “MAN THE BARRICADES!!!!!”. Up to you.

Most of us know that the original schedule was optimized for speed. Is 4 weeks really better than 12? Maybe. Maybe not. But we had thousands of people dying each day last winter. Waiting another 8 weeks for data was not appealing.

One side effect of saving those lives is that you and I might have gotten one more booster than was necessary…. if we knew the optimal schedule, which we did not.

I’m ok with that. You sound aggrieved. Have fun at the barricades.

You’re suggesting people take a 0.2% chance of death to avoid a sore arm and win some point on an internet forum.
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dad4 said:
Magic number is 4? I took five dtap shots. So did most people. About half of us got the flu shot each year. That adds up to way more than 4 shots.

You can scream “MAN THE BARRICADES!!!!!”. Up to you.

Most of us know that the original schedule was optimized for speed. Is 4 weeks really better than 12? Maybe. Maybe not. But we had thousands of people dying each day last winter. Waiting another 8 weeks for data was not appealing.

One side effect of saving those lives is that you and I might have gotten one more booster than was necessary…. if we knew the optimal schedule, which we did not.

I’m ok with that. You sound aggrieved. Have fun at the barricades.

You’re suggesting people take a 0.2% chance of death to avoid a sore arm and win some point on an internet forum.
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Why do you always assume that because you preach that’s what others are doing?

im just telling you the reality. You are having trouble getting people to take their first dose. What makes you think you can force people to take doses ever 6-8 months? You can’t even get them to do that with the flu shot? Your mandates with 2 shots are being challenged. What fantasy world are you living in where you think you can tell them you have to keep getting shots repeatedly? But you know that…which is why you lash out when you don’t want to hear it.

and worse as usual you bend the truth by declaring it as just a sore arm. You know as well as I the shot is unusually unpleasant.For most it’s not just a sore arm but an arm that hurts. For others it’s more (I spent the day vomiting with the first one and know 3 folks who had nasty side effects in the booster). Then there’s the risk of the more severe side effects especially for the young But again you know that but hate anything that conflicts with your propaganda

at least you admitted what the medical authorities are doing. They are basically guessing. But unfortunately they haven’t been clear about that with the public (their own arrogance prevents them from saying they don’t fully know what they are doing). So instead being wrong time and time again they undermine their own trust

you may not like it but that’s the road we are on. You can continue to stick your fingers in your ear and live in your fantasy land or you can accept the reality.
 
Grace T. said:
Why do you always assume that because you preach that’s what others are doing?

im just telling you the reality. You are having trouble getting people to take their first dose. What makes you think you can force people to take doses ever 6-8 months? You can’t even get them to do that with the flu shot? Your mandates with 2 shots are being challenged. What fantasy world are you living in where you think you can tell them you have to keep getting shots repeatedly? But you know that…which is why you lash out when you don’t want to hear it.

and worse as usual you bend the truth by declaring it as just a sore arm. You know as well as I the shot is unusually unpleasant.For most it’s not just a sore arm but an arm that hurts. For others it’s more (I spent the day vomiting with the first one and know 3 folks who had nasty side effects in the booster). Then there’s the risk of the more severe side effects especially for the young But again you know that but hate anything that conflicts with your propaganda

at least you admitted what the medical authorities are doing. They are basically guessing. But unfortunately they haven’t been clear about that with the public (their own arrogance prevents them from saying they don’t fully know what they are doing). So instead being wrong time and time again they undermine their own trust

you may not like it but that’s the road we are on. You can continue to stick your fingers in your ear and live in your fantasy land or you can accept the reality.
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Excellent response. I wrote something but deleted it because I got triggered by the fake math teacher.
 
Fargo2413 said:
Haven't visited this forum for a while now. Seeing the usual back and forth about vaccine, no vaccine, mask, no mask. Personally, I got my Pfizer shots and a booster. I work in healthcare and I've seen way too much not to want protection against COVID. Good news is the antiviral in pill form that Pfizer is working to get FDA approval for. Results were so good that the clinical trial was ended early. I think antivirals are our best hope to get this virus under control. Those who don't want to be vaccinated (until they get really sick and then it's too late) will have a weapon to fight with that's much easier to administer than monoclonal antibodies. What I'm REALLY hoping for is that Pfizer's antiviral works prophylactically. That could be key. Exposed but not yet sick? Fine, take this antiviral and COVID won't be able to take hold.
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Yes, this is good news - and much needed given the obvious limitations of the vaccine and the irrational fear of many.
 
Fargo2413 said:
Those who don't want to be vaccinated (until they get really sick and then it's too late)
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Welcome back to forum health pro. I'm going to hold unto this Quote of yours to see WHO if your BS rings true. What about talking about one's health and not eating shitty food and drinking booze all the time? Thanks for being on the front lines. How do you feel about losing some great frontline workers because they wouldn;t obey mandates to get jabbed or lose job? What % of your pals have been fired or had to quit? Also, are you ok that Native Americans get fired for not taking jab? How about a Native American Teenager who dreamed of playing college soccer and was offered a ride by a big time college only to be told she had to get jab or no deal?
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Yes, this is good news - and much needed given the obvious limitations of the vaccine and the irrational fear of many.
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That's a good point. Why are so many people afraid of a technology that has existed for centuries? And a medicine that has demonstrated effectivity in the 90%+ range, with few serious side effects?
 
espola said:
That's a good point. Why are so many people afraid of a technology that has existed for centuries? And a medicine that has demonstrated effectivity in the 90%+ range, with few serious side effects?
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Ahh, so cute how you guys all find common ground. The long term side effects will not be known until the long term is over, which usually takes long years for the long term to show up. Big Pharma now does not need to show true side effects for 55 years. 2076 baby and all will know wtf was in these jabs. I'm shocked so many just roll over and roll up sleeve. Dad says only his arm hurts and he will continue rolling up sleeve. However, if crush says no and instead uses health as #1 fighter of the flu, then he can't work or participate in all of lives riches and pleasures. I'm not shocked at all by how easy it is to get people to obey because their all in with the past life. The old is going away and the new is coming. I like my position and look forward to abundance. I told a teenager who was super sad the other day to stand for the truth and karma will be on your side. Let's see who will be humble out of all of us to admit a mistake, cheating and lying to get ahead of others.
 
espola said:
That's a good point. Why are so many people afraid of a technology that has existed for centuries? And a medicine that has demonstrated effectivity in the 90%+ range, with few serious side effects?
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The beauty of all this is that good health trumps everything you can do. That is overwhelmingly in our control. You might not be aware of how many people are not in good health due to poor diet and lack of exercise as I remember you stating you don't hang out with unhealthy people. Maybe it wasn't you and it was Husker, or EOTL, or thelonggame that said that. It doesn't really matter as the views of all those aliases are so close to the same, it's as if it's the same person.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Yes, I would like to see the government fully fund their mandates. Don’t put enforcement of an extremely volatile and divisive new mandate on our essential workers. It’s fucking cowardly. I ask myself if I would want my daughter to be a hostess at a restaurant where she is expected to enforce a mask mandate. Hell no. Fortunately we are not in that position but many people are.
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Welcome to my dd world bro. Not all kids get a full ride from parents, Docs and Colleges FYI. My dd is a Hostess and does a great job at her job. Yes, she is asked to enforce these lame mandates. Crazy, right? Poor thing got blocked from entry of GDA because she chose to play public high school soccer. Can you believe that? I heard all the parents, "Oh gosh, how could anyone want to play high school soccer." Well, I know a lot of Elitist parents kids who wanted to play HSS so they got waiver to do both. Now fast forward, my poor dd has to work as a hostess and enforce the mandates all the while she is banned from getting her ride in college because she wont submit to two jabs and boosters. This is becoming a huge hit for her, right? What about my wife's friend who got fired for not taking the jab after 24 years at same job and it was a frontline job? Marines get fired now as well? Cops? As long as you guys do as the Doc says, were all F up. I will wait patiently for the dust to settle but once it does, their will be NO holding me back or my dd. Just wait everyone. I'm going on offense!!!
 
crush said:
Ahh, so cute how you guys all find common ground. The long term side effects will not be known until the long term is over, which usually takes long years for the long term to show up. Big Pharma now does not need to show true side effects for 55 years. 2076 baby and all will know wtf was in these jabs. I'm shocked so many just roll over and roll up sleeve. Dad says only his arm hurts and he will continue rolling up sleeve. However, if crush says no and instead uses health as #1 fighter of the flu, then he can't work or participate in all of lives riches and pleasures. I'm not shocked at all by how easy it is to get people to obey because their all in with the past life. The old is going away and the new is coming. I like my position and look forward to abundance. I told a teenager who was super sad the other day to stand for the truth and karma will be on your side. Let's see who will be humble out of all of us to admit a mistake, cheating and lying to get ahead of others.
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Ha! My "irrational fear" was referring to the irrational fear of the virus.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Ha! My "irrational fear" was referring to the irrational fear of the virus.
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Everyone I know is all over the place regarding the fear virus. Remember, I bring emotion and empathy to the soccer forum. I'm telling you bro, that is one of the biggest problems we got right now. The lack of empathy is staggering to me. People generally only care about themselves and what their money can buy them. I watched dads buy their way into the soccer arena and no one did anything. What money could buy is going away. Listen to what I have to say.
 
crush said:
Welcome to my dd world bro. Not all kids get a full ride from parents, Docs and Colleges FYI. My dd is a Hostess and does a great job at her job. Yes, she is asked to enforce these lame mandates. Crazy, right? Poor thing got blocked from entry of GDA because she chose to play public high school soccer. Can you believe that? I heard all the parents, "Oh gosh, how could anyone want to play high school soccer." Well, I know a lot of Elitist parents kids who wanted to play HSS so they got waiver to do both. Now fast forward, my poor dd has to work as a hostess and enforce the mandates all the while she is banned from getting her ride in college because she wont submit to two jabs and boosters. This is becoming a huge hit for her, right? What about my wife's friend who got fired for not taking the jab after 24 years at same job and it was a frontline job? Marines get fired now as well? Cops? As long as you guys do as the Doc says, were all F up. I will wait patiently for the dust to settle but once it does, their will be NO holding me back or my dd. Just wait everyone. I'm going on offense!!!
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Fear does not promote rational thought.
 
crush said:
Everyone I know is all over the place regarding the fear virus. Remember, I bring emotion and empathy to the soccer forum. I'm telling you bro, that is one of the biggest problems we got right now. The lack of empathy is staggering to me. People generally only care about themselves and what their money can buy them. I watched dads buy their way into the soccer arena and no one did anything. What money could buy is going away. Listen to what I have to say.
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Fear + self-righteousness + power = Where we are now.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Fear does not promote rational thought.
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But fear will destroy other people's lives who have no fear, if the one's with all the fear hold the power to ruin other people's lives. Not being able to work means not able to eat soon. It's like the one's with all the fear are jealous of folks who have zero fear. I have no fear. Zero fear. Fear has to do with punishment. Perfect love drives out fear.
 
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