The thing that cuts against that argument is that Singapore has a substantial Arab and Indian Subcontinent population as well, particularly in the underclasses. The thing that cuts against dad4's mask argument is that Singapore is pretty much a police state that can enforce its restrictions and it's vaxx requirements with little dissent...and yet they still had an outbreak.
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The thing that cuts against that argument is that Singapore has a substantial Arab and Indian Subcontinent population as well, particularly in the underclasses. The thing that cuts against dad4's mask argument is that Singapore is pretty much a police state that can enforce its restrictions and it's vaxx requirements with little dissent...and yet they still had an outbreak.
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I didn’t say anything about horse paste, so? For dome an IQ issue for many others simply a misinformation issue. I have personally witnessed a few rational, good people swayed by their preferred news to believe some pretty whacky stuff, and that pisses me off.
The Chinese, still focused on zero covid, have taken the zoonotic reserve issue to a logical conclusion by targeting corgis.....
www.cnn.com
The killing of a corgi shows how government power has grown unchecked in China in the name of Covid prevention | CNN
A series of loud bangs startle the sleeping corgi, driving it out of its bed. The door opens and two people dressed in full hazmat suits enter the living room, one carrying a crowbar and another a yellow plastic bag.
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The point is, dismissing others health concerns is nonsensical, ignorant and arrogant. As long as what you do isn’t harming others have at it. Better safe than sorry. I find doomsday preppers as a bit off but hey to each his/her own.
p.s. the Chinese have been o.k. with forcibly sticking stuff up people's butt, welding people into their homes, and separating parents and children, but dogs are where the population finally draws the line??? ^\_(;?)_/^The Chinese, still focused on zero covid, have taken the zoonotic reserve issue to a logical conclusion by targeting corgis.....
The killing of a corgi shows how government power has grown unchecked in China in the name of Covid prevention | CNN
A series of loud bangs startle the sleeping corgi, driving it out of its bed. The door opens and two people dressed in full hazmat suits enter the living room, one carrying a crowbar and another a yellow plastic bag.
a. Not nonsensical. It's criticism of irrational behavior. It's not saying the behavior is immoral. Just that it's irrational.
b. Nor ignorant. It's the irrational behavior which is ignorant, by definition.
c. I'll cop to the arrogant. But look who you are talking to? It's not like you are new to these forums.
d. 'as long as what you do isn't harming others have at it'. Sure. By all means. Glad you finally agree with team realism that people should be free to make their own choices.
e. 'better safe than sorry'. Sorry, no. As long as what you are doing doesn't have a cost on others...by all means have it...we are free to laugh at you for it to. You might think we aren't nice human beings for laughing, but that doesn't make it any less funny. But when your desires and actions to remain "safe" have negative consequences on others, then it is an entirely different story, right? right????
Bit of a conspiracy theory but makes an interesting argument and has some interesting data. The chief thing that cuts against this is that unless there was a massive Chinese lockdown we didn't know about, it would have escaped somewhere into the world and some doctor somewhere would have known whatever flu this was wasn't acting like a flu and had it written up. Still it's possible, however unlikely, the world medical community was that asleep at the switch
theethicalskeptic.com
China’s CCP Concealed SARS-CoV-2 Presence in China as Far Back as March 2018
A world inquiring about the origins of SARS-CoV-2 has been met with repeated antipathy and lack of cooperation on the part of the Chinese Communist Party. Consequently, any speculation that the CCP concealed the presence of SARS-CoV-2 prior to December 2019 must be researched through an...
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You misunderstand the concept of herd immunity.
Is it "its" or "it's"? Make up your mind.
1. Even Fauci is off zero covid/herd immunity. Guess dad4 is anti-science.
2. fully vaccinated is going to mean boosters. he's saying as much.
3. he's talking out his ass and guessing. there's no data yet to support how long the booster immune response lasts.
4. It's possible repeated booster would be needed to get long lasting protection
5. I know now several people who have been boosted. Many of them have had rough side effects (not debilitating but unpleasant). I think this is their last bite at the apple. Other than the elderly and immunocompromised, a significant amount of the people I've asked about this said it makes them feel so bad they are NOT doing this every 6 months. If they try and force it, I think we get significant civil unrest.
6. He's an arrogant ass that's bad at his job. If Biden wants to save his presidency and reset the COVID response, he has to throw Fauci (deservedly or not deservedly) under the bus and reset.
2. fully vaccinated is going to mean boosters. he's saying as much.
3. he's talking out his ass and guessing. there's no data yet to support how long the booster immune response lasts.
4. It's possible repeated booster would be needed to get long lasting protection
5. I know now several people who have been boosted. Many of them have had rough side effects (not debilitating but unpleasant). I think this is their last bite at the apple. Other than the elderly and immunocompromised, a significant amount of the people I've asked about this said it makes them feel so bad they are NOT doing this every 6 months. If they try and force it, I think we get significant civil unrest.
6. He's an arrogant ass that's bad at his job. If Biden wants to save his presidency and reset the COVID response, he has to throw Fauci (deservedly or not deservedly) under the bus and reset.
There are a variety of definitions, ranging from it goes away to it simmers at a low level (sort of where Spain was until a few days ago). It does not mean periodic spikes, as is happening in Singapore, Gibraltar, and Iceland.
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Again, who made you the judge? You are then basically admitting to being a shallow, judgmental, gossip. You also seem to have trouble connecting dots.
Periodic spikes may occur in an immune herd as long as enough survive (presumably the "immune" part of the herd) to continue the existence of the herd.
1. All life is high school. Everyone is a judge. You are one of the most judgmental people on these forums...pot, meet kettle.
2. Shallow. Hardly. There is nothing shallow in logic.
3. Judgmental. Absolutely. Again, what forum have you been hanging out with. And again, pot, meet kettle.
4. Gossip. Nope. It's out in the open.
5. And what exactly are you doing with this little turn of phrase. Everything you hate is just a mirror reflection of yourself. Hope you like the view!
If your definition of herd immunity is that the herd survives (which I concede is a valid and accepted definition of herd immunity), herd immunity was achieved in March 2020...this virus never threatened the existence of the herd. dad4: espola says it's time to ditch the masks and lift all restrictions and we should have done it back in March 2020.
You still misunderstand herd immunity.
Look back a few pages to find EvilGoalie's paper on R. It has a clear definition and explanation of herd immunity, among many other things.
On the other hand, if you're too busy to learn the proper definition, maybe you should stop using the phrase.
There's a difference between feeling safe and actually being safe. Meanwhile, kids, small business owners and their employees, cancer patients etc are sorry. Better safe than sorry is a nice sentiment but its not good public health policy.
There a bunch of definitions floating around out there. One keyed on R is only one of them. But in none of them are there spikes like is happening in the relevant jurisidictions. I'm not the one that doesn't understand that. You are.
Learn the definition first.
Then think about what happens when you change behavior or change the disease.
Singapore's recent case rates are completely consistent with a place which was herd immune, then experienced a change to R.
It definitely is not proof that herd immunity is somehow impossible.
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Hate is a waste of time.
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“Health policy” vs good for business?