kickingandscreaming
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Risk assessment failure.
Vaccine
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Meanwhile he drives one-handed with hot coffee in the other hand. Not saying that I don't do the same thing, but...
The proper term is probably Covidiots.
The veterans study is getting a lot of play in the media. The only really thing we can conclude is that there's a severe decline in the efficacy of all 3 unboosted vax (J&J being the most severe close to completely worthless) against symptomatic infection. The study didn't reach a conclusion on whether that decline is due to the Delta or because as the Israeli studies suggest the vaccine is declining in efficacy over time.
It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)
www.latimes.com
It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all 3 COVID-19 vaccines over time | Honolulu Star-Advertiser
As the Delta variant became the dominant strain of coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.
www.staradvertiser.com
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time
A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.
www.latimes.com
what-happened
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Pills to the rescue. Amazon pharmacy delivers to your door next or same day.The veterans study is getting a lot of play in the media. The only really thing we can conclude is that there's a severe decline in the efficacy of all 3 unboosted vax (J&J being the most severe close to completely worthless) against symptomatic infection. The study didn't reach a conclusion on whether that decline is due to the Delta or because as the Israeli studies suggest the vaccine is declining in efficacy over time.
It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all 3 COVID-19 vaccines over time | Honolulu Star-Advertiser
As the Delta variant became the dominant strain of coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.www.staradvertiser.com
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time
A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.
Yeah, but the FDA is really slow walking it. If it wasn't Pfizer I wouldn't be confident of approval at all. I'm a little surprised, for example, AZ was never approved and Novavax still hasn't been (which would solve a part of the reluctance to vaccinate issue as some people are just scared of the mRNA vaccines).
Bruddah IZ
DA
Your flatulence says you have a turd playing peek-a-boo. Own it.
GoldenGate
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I love anecdotes. Here are some anecdotes about one dead anti-vaxxer/masker after the next.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...op_refused_the_vaccination_deadline_in_order/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...regon_woman_thought_that_the_pandemic_should/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qqb1jo/another_michigan_snowflake_accepts_his_hca/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...ave_smart_patriot_leaves_his_selfishness_all/
what-happened
GOLD
Another panel meets at the end of this month to review the Merck data. EUA will likely soon follow. Pfizer will be next in line. The US government has already penned a deal with Merck. The FDA needs to rubberstamp the pills.
Pills will be a game changer for the medical community. They don't carry the same stigma as the vaccines and are so much easier to administer. Pills still carry a stigma but not the divisive one the vaccines have. Silly if you think about it. The tech in the pfizer pill is newish as well but no one will complain. Their will not be mandate for a therapuetic. Jus that thought alone wil drive people to get it. Plenty of $$ to be made..
kickingandscreaming
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I have to think enthusiasm for boosters will wane and they'll be taken at about the same level as the flu shot. Is there any reason to think otherwise? The good news is that maybe in a year or two children can move about without masks. So, we can look forward to that.The veterans study is getting a lot of play in the media. The only really thing we can conclude is that there's a severe decline in the efficacy of all 3 unboosted vax (J&J being the most severe close to completely worthless) against symptomatic infection. The study didn't reach a conclusion on whether that decline is due to the Delta or because as the Israeli studies suggest the vaccine is declining in efficacy over time.
It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all 3 COVID-19 vaccines over time | Honolulu Star-Advertiser
As the Delta variant became the dominant strain of coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.www.staradvertiser.com
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time
A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Lotta red there.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, stupidity is knowing better but preceding anyways.
Hüsker Dü
DA
What do you call those that died?
At least unfortunate. There are so many reasons for the deaths I'm not going to label them as a group. Im sure you can find some clever names on Reddit.
No, stupidity is using preceding when you mean proceeding.
Desert Hound
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Desert Hound
DA
Well you have described yourself perfectly.
Is that what you say daily looking into the mirror while you comb your hair?
Hüsker Dü
DA
Sorry, I’m just a common laborer, a working stiff, salt of the earth type.
Like dad4 said, 16 out of twenty were non-mandate/mask optional.
it was also mentioned that the areas above are in the higher BMI tiers… Well, 16 out of twenty of them.
If there are ‘age-adjusted’ numbers (still interested in that definition), shouldn’t we also be able to derive BMI adjusted numbers.
Since we already know age and BMI are the greatest risk factors for hospitalizations and deaths, Why can’t we back both of those population driven factors out and finally see something about policy impacts? Assuming that hospitalizations and deaths are the bar… not zero sniffles.
I know some will argue about seasonality of the sample window, regional variants, vaccination rates, population density, etc…Kinda like we argue about ECNL club rankings mid season due to strength of schedule in other threads…but at the end of the day, don’t we really want to know what works so we can actually do a cost/benefit analysis?
(We don’t yet fully know the costs, nor can we measure the benefits)
I know, just like Gavin, right?
California Governor Gavin Newsom attends Ivy Getty's wedding
California Governor Gavin Newsom was left with muscle weakness and fatigue after receiving two jabs within days of each other, friends claim.
MicPaPa
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No, actually you're a dumbass.