Vaccine

Either the vax works or it doesn't.
Why do you assume that vaccinations is either 0% or 100% effective?

You have plenty of evidence that the actual answer is in the middle. You are well aware that the vaccine reduces but does not eliminate risks from covid. Yet you insist on putting forward the above argument, despite knowing that is is false.
 
That is a very peculiar definition of fiat currency: an increase to money supply.

By your definition, Spain's 17th century gold coinage was a fiat currency, because money supply increased.

Conversely, the completely unbacked 1981 US dollar was not a fiat currency, because money supply shrank.

I take it you learned your economics from a YouTube channel?

His economic theories are way older than youtube. I once traced them to the 3AM infomercials urging everyone to BUY GOLD NOW!!! because the Federal Reserve was just a fiction created to allow demonic forces to tear down America!!!

I think those have been replaced by Pat Boone commercials (man, has his career sunk low).
 
Why do you assume that vaccinations is either 0% or 100% effective?

You have plenty of evidence that the actual answer is in the middle. You are well aware that the vaccine reduces but does not eliminate risks from covid. Yet you insist on putting forward the above argument, despite knowing that is is false.
Why would a non-corona tissue vaccine reduce risk more than the mandated immune system? Your tyrannical bent is showing.
 
Why do you assume that vaccinations is either 0% or 100% effective?

You have plenty of evidence that the actual answer is in the middle. You are well aware that the vaccine reduces but does not eliminate risks from covid. Yet you insist on putting forward the above argument, despite knowing that is is false.

weren't you one of the people who was arguing that it wasn't fair to say the vax didn't work if it still was effective against serious cases and death? Are you now saying the vaccine is not sufficiently protective against serious illness and death?
 
His economic theories are way older than youtube. I once traced them to the 3AM infomercials urging everyone to BUY GOLD NOW!!! because the Federal Reserve was just a fiction created to allow demonic forces to tear down America!!!

I think those have been replaced by Pat Boone commercials (man, has his career sunk low).
Speaking of the masses. Still grappling with the Fed Funds rate eh?
 
for the record, I think there is no doubt we'd see a higher death rate in lower vaxxed states. But that belies the question of what "vaccine optional" means...technically with the Biden order there is no vaccine optional state, or you could argue that even California is technically vaccine optional.

Further, that doesn't mean there's correlation with masks or reopening. The reopening part is also a bit of a die roll....depends if you timed it when seasonality kicked in for your area (such as NY at the beginning of the outbreak). Though isn't it interesting Florida despite the evil Ron DeSantis and his no masks, early reopening did not make top 20???

The other interesting thing from this chart is some of our richest and poorest states are in the top 20.
Of the states which banned mask mandates, 6 out of 9 are in the top 20.

Of the states which require masks in schools, 5 out of 17 are in the top 20.

Not looking good for your argument that masks don’t do much.
 
Those of you (if any of you) who though vaccinating 5-11 year olds would be an offramp got played for suckers. When they say the quiet part out loud: some Covidians want kids masked for maybe a year or two more.


Hmmm. By what historical standard, or even current risk, are we basing this "safe for children"?

Covidians, nice. How about the Masked Covidians? It echoes back to the Branch Davidians. I like the parallel ;)
 
Of the states which banned mask mandates, 6 out of 9 are in the top 20.

Of the states which require masks in schools, 5 out of 17 are in the top 20.

Not looking good for your argument that masks don’t do much.
Hahaha! Because everyone knows masks are the ONLY variable that matters.
 
Why do you assume that vaccinations is either 0% or 100% effective?

You have plenty of evidence that the actual answer is in the middle. You are well aware that the vaccine reduces but does not eliminate risks from covid. Yet you insist on putting forward the above argument, despite knowing that is is false.

Speaking of false.

Health officials have been warning about a potential new rise in COVID-19 in California as seniors who got their shots last winter — and haven’t received a booster shot — may start to see their immunity wane, leaving them exposed to greater risk for infection and hospitalization, and as people gather indoors more as the weather cools and the holidays approach.

Demand for booster shots has fallen below expectation in California. And each infected Californian is increasingly spreading the coronavirus to more people; as of Saturday, computer models estimated that every infected Californian was spreading the virus on average to 0.96 other people; if that number rises above 1, that will set the stage for further growth of the pandemic.

“COVID cases are beginning to rise. Winter months [mean] people indoors and more possibilities for spread,” Gov. Gavin Newsom tweeted Tuesday morning.

“Keep your immunity up,” he added. “Get your booster.”

Officials are hopeful that strict vaccination requirements in some of California’s most populated areas will help slow the spread of cases in the winter. In Los Angeles, a new city rule generally requiring patrons to show proof of full vaccination to enter venues like indoor restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, and hair and nail salons went into effect Monday, but won’t be enforced until after Thanksgiving.
 
Age corrected data for overall covid deaths:


1Mississippi347355
2Texas261312
3Alabama315310
4Oklahoma288295
5Louisiana282293
6Tennessee283286
7New Jersey295284
7New York299284
9Arkansas284275
9Nevada260275
11Georgia240274
12District of Columbia226267
13South Carolina263256
13North Dakota267256
15Kentucky247250
16Arizona262249
16Indiana244249
18South Dakota262246
19Rhode Island269238
20Missouri245234


Of the 20 worst states, 16 fall into the “mask optional, vaccine optional, reopen early” camp.

Three of the other four are East coast states which got infected early and returned known covid patients to nursing homes.

When you adjust for age it looks an awful lot like a ranking by BMI.
 
Of the states which banned mask mandates, 6 out of 9 are in the top 20.

Of the states which require masks in schools, 5 out of 17 are in the top 20.

Not looking good for your argument that masks don’t do much.


Errr...again Florida. And wow for someone who's math skills I really admire, your logic skills are not very good at all. You know that if there's an "and" (e.g., masks and vaccines), proving one doesn't prove another. It may show that states that are more careful (e.g., vaccinating, which we both agree reduces deaths), may also mask more heavily.
 
Nevada‘s high death rate may have something to do with keeping the casinos open. That’s a lot of people sharing air in bars, restaurants, gambling halls, and airplanes.
And yet they have less deaths than New York, and the same as New Jersey according to NYT. Still on that behavior kick I see.
 
Age corrected data for overall covid deaths:


1Mississippi347355
2Texas261312
3Alabama315310
4Oklahoma288295
5Louisiana282293
6Tennessee283286
7New Jersey295284
7New York299284
9Arkansas284275
9Nevada260275
11Georgia240274
12District of Columbia226267
13South Carolina263256
13North Dakota267256
15Kentucky247250
16Arizona262249
16Indiana244249
18South Dakota262246
19Rhode Island269238
20Missouri245234


Of the 20 worst states, 16 fall into the “mask optional, vaccine optional, reopen early” camp.

Three of the other four are East coast states which got infected early and returned known covid patients to nursing homes.
...exactly what are you getting at? In fact, after citing all these numbers and data points for the United States, and the entire world for that matter, throughout over 300 pages on this thread...I am still no closer to understanding what your main point is??? ...come on, give it to me specifically and concisely...what would make folks show up as a captive audience and listen to you speak on Covid...Ultimately, what is your Marquee Headline?
 
Arizona has officially passed NY's Covid-19 death rate. Arizona has no excuse. It can't claim its constituents died before anyone knew how it was spread or who was most susceptible, or the effectiveness of masks, or the availability of vaccines, or even how stupid it is to rely on horse paste as a primary means of treatment. It's only a matter of time until idiotic FL also passes NY. Meanwhile NY and CA continue to possess among the lowest death rates since vaccines became available (and long before then also).

This one should not have trusted her immune system. It was her freedom to choose, and she chose poorly. So funny. Good thing natural immunity works better than vaccines when you don't count all of the people for whom it doesn't work better. Natural immunity is 100% better than the vaccine if you don't count the almost 800,000 Americans who have died, or the millions suffering long term consequences from getting Covid-19.


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