It doesn't really have to be. But policy does require some collective action...can't just be preaching. Government is just usually the default because it has the monopoly on force.
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It doesn't really have to be. But policy does require some collective action...can't just be preaching. Government is just usually the default because it has the monopoly on force.
Hüsker Dü
DA
And? Biden beat trump. They both suck, trump sucks worse. trump lost to a has been. Belief in his lies was trumps only hope, people quit believing them . . . well at least enough to send him packing.
It's just grace's universal way of criticizing any proposal to reduce covid cases.
If you suggest a policy, then you go must be a Maoist Nazi Stalinist authoritarian.
If you suggest people should change their behavior, then you're a Calvinist Baptist preacher.
At some point, we need to connect the dots:
from "masks are child abuse"
to higher rates of community spread
to "my elderly relative just got sent to the hospital."
Hüsker Dü
DA
Isn’t that what conservatives always use to say about charity, “that’s what churches are for”? They preach in churches if you didn’t know, but maybe I got it wrong and you aren’t a “conservative”.
what-happened
GOLD
Nice - we agree on something...both suck. The issue is that people should control the urge to vote emotionally. I know it's hard. We weren't able to supress the instinct in grade school. It's worse now.
Unfortunately we live in a time where opinion is skin deep and shaped for us. Most people I know that voted for Biden voted against trump and not for biden. Elections have consequences, now we sit, wait, and wallow. Fortunately we can influence things more locally. NJ and VA are a great example. NY to some degree as well. CA missed it's opportunity or chose the lesser of the available evils. Don't hate you for that, Elder wasn't the right guy.
The vote for Trump was a knee jerk reaction to Obama, and the vote for Biden was a knee jerk reaction to Trump. Oversimplification, but not far from the truth.
MicPaPa
GOLD
"Dude," clean your ears. Actually, that would be the sound of your mom's dentures being removed in preparation to receive the pair you recommended I grow.
MicPaPa
GOLD
It is actually simple. The vote for Trump was for specific policies and promises made, and kept, as a counter to specific Obama policies and promises made, and kept, coupled with securing Scalia's SCOTUS seat....the blasting back at the media was a welcome bonus and roadmap for (R)'s.
The vote for Biden was an emotional personality play, with little if anything to do with policies/accomplishments, at least that anyone is willing to cite, but maybe I missed something. I know I know, you want both, and my kids want a flying dragon....but in the current reality you get two choices, and in this case two measurable records. It'll always come down to how those records directly affect you and yours. ***See the data behind Virginia and New Jersey.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Yes, I take a daily dose.
Desert Hound
DA
The vote for Trump was also a vote against the Rep establishment.
Or maybe you avoid outlining your policies because you know deep down they are authoritarian, so you fall back on the preaching which is…you know…preaching.
as to the elderly relatives as watfly has repeatedly said we don’t put sacrifices on them to save their elders. It’s not the way it works. Worried about grandma post vaxx? Grandma can wear the n95, you can do her shopping and pharmacy runs, only allow the tested and vaccinated around her. But don’t steal The kids childhoods.
So much wrong in this:
A. Not a conservative
B. Charity is not policy
C. Churches can be policy. Eg maybe the pope should tell the priests to preach vaccination. Again it’s a collective action
D. But there’s a distinction between that and morality
E. Dad4 seems more concerned with manners and morality than policy, which more often than not involves coercive force
F. You also make the common liberal fallacy: something must be done…this is something…let’s do this. Do nothing is policy too.
what-happened
GOLD
Certainly not far from the truth. I think the Trump effect is unique. Incredibly polarizing. I know people who would have voted for the Saguaro cactus in my back yard if it was the dem candidate. Biden certainly didn't energize many people. People just didn't want Trump around. Many people are willing to suck it up for 4 years or cross fingers that enough chaos exists in congress that nothing really gets done except for the basics. Focus on local politics for 4 years and influence the mid term elections. . Unfortunately we are seeing an entirely new level of ineptitude in government.
MicPaPa
GOLD
I find irony in E.
MicPaPa
GOLD
I know people, including on this thread, whose wives wouldn't let them vote for Trump. Also, a new unique and troubling effect in Manhood.
You miss the subtlety. I think there are a lot of people who care about manners and morality in their politics. That’s just a reality we have to deal with from a baseline. I personally think character (not manners and morality) is important in your leaders but not as important as policy (I tut tutted bill Clinton but voted for him anyways). But most importantly if I care about the policy (like dont mask young kids) I’d rather not sacrifice the policy by backing a candidate that is likely to carry the policy but lose.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Hahaha! Hill to die on? I did what @watfly did, held my nose, and voted. (FYI, I first read it as "when you die on a hillary it's hard to get off" - wrong on SO many levels) I can't say I felt anything when Trump won other than, damn, I didn't think he had a chance. Nor did I celebrate Biden's win. Politicians and character? They all got elected. Maybe we should ask about the electorate and character. However, if H would have won, I wouldn't have called that a victory for character - unless it was part of a joke. The "mainstream" media has lost all pretense of unbiased reporting. HRC and her supporters including the adoring media elites were whiney little bitches (Vaccine Thread ™) after H lost the election. It's still not equivalent to what Trump did - not really close.
Yes, my wife felt strongly about T while at the same time having little love for H. Saying she "wouldn't let me vote for Trump" was hyperbole. We have voted differently in the past. As much as H was deep into the sleazy fabric of politics, I still had some sort of sense she was part of something bigger than herself - politics - sleaze and all. The more I saw (and see) T, the more it's about a spoiled child who always got his way and was never told his shit stinks. He was all about T and that was all that mattered. Those kinds of people are a special kind of scary.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
"Jerking back and forth" might be a reasonable new national anthem. Sung over distant laughing coming from an antechamber behind a curtain.
The best thing about Pfizer coming up with a covid pill is that it’s Pfizer. That company is a regulatory tiger and unlike the others won’t let the red take stand between it in cash. If having the damn pill gives us one more reason to move on I’m all for it considering from what we see in Europe at least a small but maybe larger winter wave is a foot