Vaccine

dad4 said:
Listen to the opinions on Aaron Rodgers. There are not a lot of people defending his decision to lie about his immunization status.

Standing up for your convictions? No problem. Let me know how to work with you on zoom.

Lying to me about your immunization status because you think you know better than I do whether I or my family are at risk? No help from me on that one. Have a nice time talking to HR.
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I don't think he lied to his team or the NFL, and was following the protocol for the unvaccinated (frequent testing, etc.). He misled the public with his statement about being immunized, although he used finger-quotes around the word in reference to a question about whether he was vaccinated. Now it turns out that he was following a Joe Rogan-ivermectin-homeopathy "immunization" treatment. In addition to the possible damage to his team's performance and his loved ones' health, his public reputation is damaged by the obvious deception.
 
watfly said:
I'll pull the standard non-apology. "I apologize if you were offended".

That statement could be described as a few things, but "selfish" is not one of them, but you already know that.
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I'll let you stew in your own juices on that one.

Please continue.
 
watfly said:
I don't condone him lying, but its not somebody else's responsibility to turn him in. The issue is solely between he and his employer.
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His personal medical situation really isn't anyone's business.

Do we require AIDS patients to disclose their status to coworkers? Friends? ETC?

In lovely CA....

Thanks to California Senate Bill 329, as of January 1, 2017, it is no longer a felony for people who are HIV-positive to have unprotected sex and not disclose their status.
 
Desert Hound said:
Give it another couple of months and those lines will all be pretty close. The SE is the lowest region with cases per...while most of the rest of the country is rising. It will all even out.
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If you look at the important measure- deaths, it won’t even out. The worst ten states are averaging about 300 deaths per 100K residents. The best ten are averaging about 100 deaths per 100K residents. CA is in the middle, nearing 200. AZ is fifth worst in the country. They just passed New York.

Those standings are close to final. The low death states won’t get many more deaths, because they all have high vaccine rates. The high death states won’t get many more deaths, because they have high past infection rates.

But, if you look at total deaths per capita, the worse states will end up with three times as many deaths as the best ones. That’s not “evening out”.
 
espola said:
I don't think he lied to his team or the NFL, and was following the protocol for the unvaccinated (frequent testing, etc.). He misled the public with his statement about being immunized, although he used finger-quotes around the word in reference to a question about whether he was vaccinated. Now it turns out that he was following a Joe Rogan-ivermectin-homeopathy "immunization" treatment. In addition to the possible damage to his team's performance and his loved ones' health, his public reputation is damaged by the obvious deception.
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You're babbling.
 
dad4 said:
If you look at the important measure- deaths, it won’t even out. The worst ten states are averaging about 300 deaths per 100K residents. The best ten are averaging about 100 deaths per 100K residents. CA is in the middle, nearing 200. AZ is fifth worst in the country. They just passed New York.

Those standings are close to final. The low death states won’t get many more deaths, because they all have high vaccine rates. The high death states won’t get many more deaths, because they have high past infection rates.

But, if you look at total deaths per capita, the worse states will end up with three times as many deaths as the best ones. That’s not “evening out”.
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Your case hyping from day one, pre-vax, invalidates everything you just posted about vax immunity which is hitch hiking on natural immunity. As far as deaths go, you're just hyping again.
 
Desert Hound said:
It isn't the publics business to know his medical status.
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Unfortunately, the normalization of government tyranny is having a dulling effect on the masses. So much so, that U.S. Citizens have become Nazi-ish in their moral posturing. It takes rights away from individuals while giving confidence to the fearful.

 
espola said:
From NY Times articcle on differing attitudes about vaccination --

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Speaking of the New York Times
All of this is your fault, they say.

If you had just listened to the experts (I am trying to use that word with a straight face) and followed their mitigation measures, we could have conquered this thing long ago.

So the whole thing has been a morality play: your "bad behavior" is keeping this going, while my "good behavior" is keeping it in check.

What you're seeing below are two maps of the United States, side by side, separated by roughly three months, depicting the COVID cases that our opinion molders profess to be so concerned about. These maps are generated on a regular basis by the New York Times.

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Well, how about that.

Remember when the map on the left was the fault of Ron DeSantis? Not to mention the vaccination rates of those states, which were likewise blamed (although Florida's vaccination numbers for seniors have been quite high).

And yet with zero changes in behavior, the map on the left became the map on the right.

Are we supposed to believe that everyone in the southeast suddenly started wearing masks at the same time, and everyone in the rest of the country stopped wearing them, also at the same time?

A New York Timesreporter posted the chart on the right and asked how this was possible, given that the governors of those states had generally ignored "CDC guidelines."

I jokingly retweeted him with the comment, "He's so close to getting it."
 
dad4 said:
If you look at the important measure- deaths, it won’t even out. The worst ten states are averaging about 300 deaths per 100K residents. The best ten are averaging about 100 deaths per 100K residents. CA is in the middle, nearing 200. AZ is fifth worst in the country. They just passed New York.

Those standings are close to final. The low death states won’t get many more deaths, because they all have high vaccine rates. The high death states won’t get many more deaths, because they have high past infection rates.

But, if you look at total deaths per capita, the worse states will end up with three times as many deaths as the best ones. That’s not “evening out”.
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Why exactly is UT so much better off vs CA again? It didn't follow CA model.

NM a state you highlighted has done far worse than CA. And yet they followed the CA model. And to be honest were less open this summer vs CA.

UT is ranked 7th in cases per million over the course of this whole thing.

I wonder if it has more to do with the health of the overall population instead of mandates that don't work?

Why does CO with more cases have less deaths per million vs CA?

You like to claim that your preferred solution is all mandates and that they work. The reality is location, health of a population plays the key role it appears in actual outcomes.

The reality is the virus is and will spread. It will affect the elderly and specifically those who are rather ill. Nothing was going to change that.

The only thing that made a difference is that...
A) closure of schools was not a good deal for kids
B) killing off biz and hurting others is not good policy
C) printing trillions of dollars is not good policy vis a vis the debt, inflation, etc
D) our supply chain for many key items has been disrupted
E) related to B we have hurt employment
F) etc

All of the above are not desirable outcomes. Especially in light of the fact that we were never going to stop the spread of the virus. People will look back later and say what fools we were to shutter everything.

The best we could have hoped for is to isolate those at risk that wanted to be. Outside of that it is just a matter of when not if someone gets infected with the virus.
 
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