Vaccine

[MacDre]

Err…the flu is a lot more dangerous to the kids than covid is. That’s not really a rational rationale.

and why 6 months….studies have found those who fell ill in March 2020 still have antibodies.

flu shot has also been around a lot longer, has a much more extensive test base and a long in depth protocol for who is excluded as contraindicated

Why not minimize risk?

 

[MacDre]

A message from Alec. BTW, I gave up "Tel A Vision a long time ago." I knew it was trying to make my brain weak and soft and all warm and fussy and like cottage cheese.

Social media does the same thing as TV.

 

[MacDre]

...ask @MacDre how it plays out, I believe he is litigating a tryout selection for his dd...the equity of outcomes course is not the road to be on, nor is it what this country is about.

We don’t do tryouts homie.

 

[crush]

I woke this morning with this thought in my brain: The Vax & the Non Vax have this in common. Neither of them will be "fully" vaccinated......

 

[what-happened]

Because our kids also get the flu shot every year. I see no real fundamental difference here. Had our kids contracted covid in the last 6 months I "might" have a different perspective.

Apples to oranges when it comes to flu, covid and young children. Big fundamental difference.

You have the right to make your own decision (maybe). Less than 2% of young children who contract the virus are hospitalized, less than .003 die. It's even been argued before the FDA panel back in June, when debating vaccines for 12-15 yr olds, that vaccinating children for the benefit of adults is an “unproven hypothetical benefit".

Maneuvering by the FDA in regards to vaccinating the younger demographic has been dodgy. Doesn't help that the US government has already purchased 65M million doses of pediatric vaccines.

We will see wha the CDC does after 3 NOV. If approved, the rollout won't be as smooth as some will like (imagine that). Getting the doses to where they need to go will be an issue. Convincing parents to vaccinate their kids is another issue. I would bet less than 1/3 are going to jump on this bandwagon early.

50% of cases in children have been asymptomatic.

 

[crush]

Apples to oranges when it comes to flu, covid and young children. Big fundamental difference.

You have the right to make your own decision (maybe). Less than 2% of young children who contract the virus are hospitalized, less than .003 die. It's even been argued before the FDA panel back in June, when debating vaccines for 12-15 yr olds, that vaccinating children for the benefit of adults is an “unproven hypothetical benefit".

Maneuvering by the FDA in regards to vaccinating the younger demographic has been dodgy. Doesn't help that the US government has already purchased 65M million doses of pediatric vaccines.

We will see wha the CDC does after 3 NOV. If approved, the rollout won't be as smooth as some will like (imagine that). Getting the doses to where they need to go will be an issue. Convincing parents to vaccinate their kids is another issue. I would bet less than 1/3 are going to jump on this bandwagon early.

50% of cases in children have been asymptomatic.

Did you hear about the story of Maddie, WHO was one of 1100 kids to "volunteer" their life to take experimental jab so adults can feel safe and try and not be as scared by the flu, I mean the Rona. WA State is reporting zero flu this year.

 

[MacDre]

Apples to oranges when it comes to flu, covid and young children. Big fundamental difference.

You have the right to make your own decision (maybe). Less than 2% of young children who contract the virus are hospitalized, less than .003 die. It's even been argued before the FDA panel back in June, when debating vaccines for 12-15 yr olds, that vaccinating children for the benefit of adults is an “unproven hypothetical benefit".

Maneuvering by the FDA in regards to vaccinating the younger demographic has been dodgy. Doesn't help that the US government has already purchased 65M million doses of pediatric vaccines.

We will see wha the CDC does after 3 NOV. If approved, the rollout won't be as smooth as some will like (imagine that). Getting the doses to where they need to go will be an issue. Convincing parents to vaccinate their kids is another issue. I would bet less than 1/3 are going to jump on this bandwagon early.

50% of cases in children have been asymptomatic.

You are over complicating a simple issue. Taking the Covid vaccine is a legitimate harm reduction strategy that minimizes risk.

 

[crush]

You are over complicating a simple issue. Taking the Covid vaccine is a legitimate harm reduction strategy that minimizes risk.

Not for children. I know NoCal is brainwashed so I can;t stop you guys for taking your children to get jabbed. In and Out is out as well. Remember parents, kids look for you to help protect them.

 

[MacDre]

Not for children. I know NoCal is brainwashed so I can;t stop you guys for taking your children to get jabbed. In and Out is out as well. Remember parents, kids look for you to help protect them.

Conclusory. Please explain how not taking the Covid vaccine is a harm reduction strategy.

 

[whatithink]

Again, I suggest you read the articles instead of just shooting from hip.

I haven't read the article but expect he is referring to property taxes (local & state) which are based on a notional value that can go up annually. So you are being taxed on the "unrealized gains" of the property.

 

[crush]

Conclusory. Please explain how not taking the Covid vaccine is a harm reduction strategy.

I will counselor. First off, I appreciate the floor. Before I begin, can you please state for the record what are the 5 main ingredients 4 the Pfizer jab? Merderna jab? Once I have this information, I will be able to explain in more details why my dd chance of harm is way higher if taking the jabs. I wait in expectation for the top 5, thanks

 

[MacDre]

IMO this is a top shelf answer to a rather elitist reply. There was this kid on the U16 team my son switched to, often played as a left back but better as a holding mid IMO. Genetics, lifestyle, whatever, big framed and heavy. But with the sweetest right foot and a head for a great pass out of the backfield. I have footage somewhere of him looking like he's getting caught out but turning as the ball came over his shoulder and volleying a pass that totally split the defense for a goal. My son learned a lot by taking direct kicks from him. He could make the ball do things in the air and it helped him learn how to track spin and dip. But by U17 the speed of the game, along with new coaching, made him not a fit and he got cut. I know it hurt the kid; the game teaches crueler lessons as you go along. Whatever "elite" is, that's true for almost everybody.

 

[Grace T.]

Why not minimize risk?

Because you aren’t calculating the risk properly. On one side of the line is the risk of the Rona which to the under 15 is negligible. On the other side is (particularly if you have a male) the risk of side effects (which given the new dosage and the fact that the study was so limited we don’t really know yet). If you balanced both cool, but most people have been made so freaked out by the Rona they are only looking at the first. It’s why other countries are coming to different conclusions than us particularly when it comes to boys

 

[Grace T.]

IMO this is a top shelf answer to a rather elitist reply. There was this kid on the U16 team my son switched to, often played as a left back but better as a holding mid IMO. Genetics, lifestyle, whatever, big framed and heavy. But with the sweetest right foot and a head for a great pass out of the backfield. I have footage somewhere of him looking like he's getting caught out but turning as the ball came over his shoulder and volleying a pass that totally split the defense for a goal. My son learned a lot by taking direct kicks from him. He could make the ball do things in the air and it helped him learn how to track spin and dip. But by U17 the speed of the game, along with new coaching, made him not a fit and he got cut. I know it hurt the kid; the game teaches crueler lessons as you go along. Whatever "elite" is, that's true for almost everybody.

The problem with playing the back is you have to be fit or the ball is going to get passed you on the through or over the top and you have a 1v1 on the goalkeeper. I’m frankly surprised he hung in there given what you described. My son on his last team had a back just like that…at least he got to practice the 1v1. It’s little wonder you say he’s better as a dm or holding mid which are the last positions to get specialized. Except for the kid holding out as long as he did no great surprise

 

[what-happened]

You are over complicating a simple issue. Taking the Covid vaccine is a legitimate harm reduction strategy that minimizes risk.

Interesting take. I'm not overcomplicating things. The FDA is normally more cautious when dealing with the younger demographic. In practice, the FDA cannot authorize a medical product in a population unless the benefits outweight the risks in that same population. Plenty of argument was presented during the 12-15 yr old panel that if the FDA doesn't have a high bar for EUAs and licencing then the point of regulation is lost.

Pfizer EUA is already in play for 12-15 year olds. Which means off label is legally on the table for those younger.

This whole process has taken quite the political off ramp. Remember when big Pharma was the bad guy and paying millions of dollars for bad drugs that at the time were good drugs? The government purchasing doses prior to authorization? Interesting.

Anyway, EUAs are on the horizon for the U11 crowd. We will see how local governments leverage the EUAs. Have some popcorn ready to watch the fireworks, especially from parents who's child has already been infected.

 

[Desert Hound]

Why not minimize risk?

There is no risk to kids. You are not minimizing anything.

You have 70 millions people 17 and under. Almost 2 yrs into this 480 or so have died.

To make it easier to understand if deaths were equally distributed by state you are at less than 10 kids per state have died so far. So think about it in that terms.

It is fortunately a ridiculously small number.

To further put the numbers into perspective, it is not healthy kids who have died. It has been by and large kids with very serious health numbers.

 

[NorCalDad]

Err…the flu is a lot more dangerous to the kids than covid is. That’s not really a rational rationale.

and why 6 months….studies have found those who fell ill in March 2020 still have antibodies.

flu shot has also been around a lot longer, has a much more extensive test base and a long in depth protocol for who is excluded as contraindicated

1) How are you defining more dangerous? More kids (18 and under) have died of covid over the last 18 months than those who've died of the flu over the last three years. But whatever, the total death rate is minimal in comparison to the adult population. But let's keep going. Let's say you're right, covid is less dangerous. Is it 5% less dangerous? 10%? Where do you draw the line?

2) Six months is a bit arbitrary, but the data says the antibodies from an infection can last three months to five years. That's a pretty big dart board.

3) I, obviously, got the vaccine and haven't felt this good in a long time. More importantly, mRNA based vaccination research goes back 30+ years. Finally, I'd rather try and avoid long covid concerns. Ultimately I don't want my kid to get sick from covid, just like I don't want them to get sick from the flu. At the same time, we will hopefully reduce the spread of covid.

 

[NorCalDad]

Well we also know it plays out that way because ayso didn’t work. I mean your a soccer parent…why then isn’t your kid playing ayso?

We don't have AYSO in our neck of the woods. I wish we did. There's a big gap between local rec leagues here and club soccer. I think AYSO most certainly could fill that. At least if my memory is correct, AYSO wasn't half bad in SoCal when I was growing up. It's definitely a point of conflict for me for sure, and hard to reason about at times. Pay to play is brutal -- and has been discussed ad nauseam on these forums.

 

[MacDre]

Interesting take. I'm not overcomplicating things. The FDA is normally more cautious when dealing with the younger demographic. In practice, the FDA cannot authorize a medical product in a population unless the benefits outweight the risks in that same population. Plenty of argument was presented during the 12-15 yr old panel that if the FDA doesn't have a high bar for EUAs and licencing then the point of regulation is lost.

Pfizer EUA is already in play for 12-15 year olds. Which means off label is legally on the table for those younger.

This whole process has taken quite the political off ramp. Remember when big Pharma was the bad guy and paying millions of dollars for bad drugs that at the time were good drugs? The government purchasing doses prior to authorization? Interesting.

Anyway, EUAs are on the horizon for the U11 crowd. We will see how local governments leverage the EUAs. Have some popcorn ready to watch the fireworks, especially from parents who's child has already been infected.

I’m not a fan of big pharma. I also think that FDA process for approving Covid vaccine

 

[MacDre]

I’m not a fan of big pharma. I also think that FDA process for approving Covid vaccine

Interesting take. I'm not overcomplicating things. The FDA is normally more cautious when dealing with the younger demographic. In practice, the FDA cannot authorize a medical product in a population unless the benefits outweight the risks in that same population. Plenty of argument was presented during the 12-15 yr old panel that if the FDA doesn't have a high bar for EUAs and licencing then the point of regulation is lost.

Pfizer EUA is already in play for 12-15 year olds. Which means off label is legally on the table for those younger.

This whole process has taken quite the political off ramp. Remember when big Pharma was the bad guy and paying millions of dollars for bad drugs that at the time were good drugs? The government purchasing doses prior to authorization? Interesting.

Anyway, EUAs are on the horizon for the U11 crowd. We will see how local governments leverage the EUAs. Have some popcorn ready to watch the fireworks, especially from parents who's child has already been infected.

Are you aware of the process the FDA used to approve aspirin? Do you also object to the use of aspirin?