Vaccine

[MacDre]

Well...I give you kuddos at least for being consistent....no club/elite ball until age 13. Future Pulisic plays with the fat kid that can barely kick. You are a man of principle, I will say that.

"gifted underachievers that quit when things get challenging"....that's an argument that the gifted child wasn't challenged enough....more tiers not less.

"gifted in math may struggle socially"....they can be put into a gifted math class....no reason to take them out socially from the school and because they are gifted in math doesn't mean they should be in honors English

I actually agree with a lot of of what you’re saying. But, I also think most schools have problems meeting the needs of gifted math students and the pursuit of excellence in math becomes socially isolating very fast.

Yep basic fundamentals until 13 and we can stop pretending like bad fundamentals are a style of play. And FYI, one of my favorite players in TJ is a fat kid that dances like a ballerina when he receives the ball

 

[MicPaPa]

Speaking of artists and their paintings.

As I recall someone else saying - You're being played!

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Signed Picasso paintings selling for $100,000 less than Hunter Biden's.

 

[MicPaPa]

I actually agree with a lot of of what you’re saying. But, I also think most schools have problems meeting the needs of gifted math students and the pursuit of excellence in math becomes socially isolating very fast.

Yep basic fundamentals until 13 and we can stop pretending like bad fundamentals are a style of play. And FYI, one of my favorite players in TJ is a fat kid that dances like a ballerina when he receives the ball

I never thought of a math class as a social event, maybe therein lies the problem.

 

[watfly]

I suggest you educate yourself on what is actually in the proposed tax law changes.

I am also amused by the proposition on the concept that "wealth tax" is unconstitutional since it is the foundation of the funding of most local and state governments.

Again, I suggest you read the articles instead of just shooting from hip.

 

[Grace T.]

"he IRS wants to come and tax me for holding painting 3" is a fantasy in line with the current obfuscations. Is that because you were misled? Or you don't understand how capital gains works? Or you are deliberately lying? Is there another choice?

Yeah I was responding to dad4s nonsensical example of a creative asset and pointing out some things are difficult to assess value on (a farm, a creative object, a business, a house) unless there’s an active market (stocks frozen concentrated orange juice)

 

[espola]

Yeah I was responding to dad4s nonsensical example of a creative asset and pointing out some things are difficult to assess value on (a farm, a creative object, a business, a house) unless there’s an active market (stocks frozen concentrated orange juice)

Sure.

 

[espola]

Again, I suggest you read the articles instead of just shooting from hip.

I can't read the articles because of the paywalls, but the WAPO headline I can read says "
A wealth tax is a good idea — if we had a different Supreme Court

 

[MacDre]

I never thought of a math class as a social event, maybe therein lies the problem.

Correct. This is why most that excel in math are boring socially inept people. I’m arguing that there’s a better way…

 

[Grace T.]

I actually agree with a lot of of what you’re saying. But, I also think most schools have problems meeting the needs of gifted math students and the pursuit of excellence in math becomes socially isolating very fast.

Yep basic fundamentals until 13 and we can stop pretending like bad fundamentals are a style of play. And FYI, one of my favorite players in TJ is a fat kid that dances like a ballerina when he receives the ball

If you have 1 kid that can pass the ball really well and has a good first touch, he’s not going to be learning very much from the kid that can’t complete a pass or when kid 1 gives him a weighted pass kid 2 gets megged and has to chase the ball down. Kid 1 quickly gets frustrated and can’t develop if the others can’t pass to him and kid 2 gets frustrated because no one passes the ball to him in the game because kids are smart and they know he’ll lose it. Kid 1 is playing soccer 4 times a week while kid 2 barely likes practice and whines and complains— I’ve told the story how my kid when he was 8 wanted to do extras and asked his teammates to practice but none of them wanted to…because they had other sports or Disneyland annual passes that had gone unused. It’s why ayso ultimately failed and we got club differentiation by levels.

same with math. It’s just as tedious for the kid that wants to learn math and is curious in the 3rd grade about negative numbers while his classmate couldn’t care less about it

where you get the issue with both is where the parents start to intervene and push becauseyou have to keep up with the Jones’s and be on x and y elite team. Remember the conversation a few months back??? We can have elite goalkeepers at ages 8 and 9.

 

[espola]

Correct. This is why most that excel in math are boring socially inept people. I’m arguing that there’s a better way…

On the other hand, there are long fascinating books on topics in number theory and abstract algebra that assume little more than high school algebra as a starting point.

 

[crush]

Math in the wrong hands is dangerous.

 

[dad4]

I would like to think the vast majority of kids can not only learn algebra but master it if supported properly. Once the kids have a mastery of Algebra they can complete all computational math, Chemistry, and Physics.

I think the kid in your example needs an IEP or is experiencing problems at home.

The kid? You think it’s only one kid in Algebra who doesn’t know their times tables?

Go volunteer at your high school's tutoring center.

10-20% of the class will have trouble with 8x7 or 9x6.

About half will have trouble with integer long division.

More than 80% will have trouble adding fractions.

You gonna put all 80% on an IEP?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

"In retrospect, it seems clear that the Great Barrington authors were on target in doubting the advisability of sweeping lockdowns. -Kulldorff

 

[watfly]

I can't read the articles because of the paywalls, but the WAPO headline I can read says "
A wealth tax is a good idea — if we had a different Supreme Court

Imagine that.

 

[NorCalDad]

The kid? You think it’s only one kid in Algebra who doesn’t know their times tables?

Go volunteer at your high school's tutoring center.

10-20% of the class will have trouble with 8x7 or 9x6.

About half will have trouble with integer long division.

More than 80% will have trouble adding fractions.

You gonna put all 80% on an IEP?

You're referencing failures that are a result of neglect that happened well before high school. Our schools, are failing kids big time. I don't blame teachers or the schools for this, but rather the lack of funding (at least in CA). I can remember when I was in public schools in SoCal there were hardly any private schools. Maybe a parochial school here and there (I see you Mater Dei). I actually have no idea what the landscape looks like now down there, but in NorCal, it's pretty insane how many private schools there are.

 

[NorCalDad]

You're referencing failures that are a result of neglect that happened well before high school. Our schools, are failing kids big time. I don't blame teachers or the schools for this, but rather the lack of funding (at least in CA). I can remember when I was in public schools in SoCal there were hardly any private schools. Maybe a parochial school here and there (I see you Mater Dei). I actually have no idea what the landscape looks like now down there, but in NorCal, it's pretty insane how many private schools there are.

I'm going to pull a @Grace T. here, but I was in GATE. I don't think dumbing down public education is a great direction, but there were serious problems with GATE when I was in it. Primarily, the parents of all the GATE kids were high motivated and deeply involved in their kids lives. There was an inherent inequality about that. So I can see where @MacDre is coming from.

Bringing this back to vaccines, first, I want to say that this entire thread has been incredibly entertaining (in a good way). While I don't agree with a lot of what many you have to say, I'm sure we could knock back a beer or two and laugh about it. In a couple of weeks when we're getting our youngers vaccinated I will, no doubt, be thinking of you all.

 

[Grace T.]

You're referencing failures that are a result of neglect that happened well before high school. Our schools, are failing kids big time. I don't blame teachers or the schools for this, but rather the lack of funding (at least in CA). I can remember when I was in public schools in SoCal there were hardly any private schools. Maybe a parochial school here and there (I see you Mater Dei). I actually have no idea what the landscape looks like now down there, but in NorCal, it's pretty insane how many private schools there are.

It’s actually really hard to start a private school. There’s the issue of land, licenses, funding and it’s hard to get people to build into an untried experience. In my neck of the woods Harvard westlake Campbell hall viewpoint Buckley and Sierra canyon have been around for decades. Oaks is the newcomer on the block and took massive investment by a church to get off the ground. The catholic schools like chaminade crespi and notre dame have been around longer. If any thing some private schools like pinecrest elementary closed, and some others like la reina girls school are in trouble

where we’ve seen the explosion is in charter schools which have been a recent phenomenon

 

[Grace T.]

It’s actually really hard to start a private school. There’s the issue of land, licenses, funding and it’s hard to get people to build into an untried experience. In my neck of the woods Harvard westlake Campbell hall viewpoint Buckley and Sierra canyon have been around for decades. Oaks is the newcomer on the block and took massive investment by a church to get off the ground. The catholic schools like chaminade crespi and notre dame have been around longer. If any thing some private schools like pinecrest elementary closed, and some others like la reina girls school are in trouble

where we’ve seen the explosion is in charter schools which have been a recent phenomenon

Oaks dates back to 2000 btw. There’s talk that kayne may start a school in moorpark but we’ll see if he can do it…tough hall since Sierra canyon and oaks draw really top athletes and academics in that area.

 

[watfly]

You're referencing failures that are a result of neglect that happened well before high school. Our schools, are failing kids big time. I don't blame teachers or the schools for this, but rather the lack of funding (at least in CA). I can remember when I was in public schools in SoCal there were hardly any private schools. Maybe a parochial school here and there (I see you Mater Dei). I actually have no idea what the landscape looks like now down there, but in NorCal, it's pretty insane how many private schools there are.

At least in San Diego it doesn't seem to me that there is a huge increase of private schools. For the most part our private schools have been around for quite sometime. I get the impression that private schools are relatively more plentiful in LA County. What I do see huge growth in is homeschooled kids in San Diego.

From my perspective the biggest difference between when I attended public school in SoCal is that standards for students have increased while the standards for teachers have decreased dramatically.

 

[Grace T.]

I'm going to pull a @Grace T. here, but I was in GATE. I don't think dumbing down public education is a great direction, but there were serious problems with GATE when I was in it. Primarily, the parents of all the GATE kids were high motivated and deeply involved in their kids lives. There was an inherent inequality about that. So I can see where @MacDre is coming from.

I’ll point out it’s the same issue with club soccer. Highly motivated parents that push their kids and ready to drop thousand of dollars for them to play. The VERY SAME ISSUE.