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whatithink said:
Fine as long as the ID is free (no poll tax) and straight forward and convenient to obtain.
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The sad history of voter ID laws in the South bears some looking, such as requiring a free ID to be obtained at a DMV office and then closing selected DMV offices.
 
Desert Hound said:
I have no issue with those 3 points above.

And in a national election most of the time the fraud isn't enough to make a change. However small numbers can and do make a difference.

Case in point FL in 2000. The margin was less than 600 votes. Errors/fraud, etc could turn that one way or another.

Local races. Usually the turnout is minimal. Vote winners win on margins of 1000s to 100s of votes. A little fraud either way can turn that.

Many races that have rather large outcomes involve rather small numbers.

The attitude shouldn't be well the press hasn't talked about it.

Really want you want is rigorous control of the voting. As in making sure people eligible to vote did vote.

There is way too much money and power involved in election outcomes to have loose standards on ensuring people are voting legally.

Verifying an ID should be #1.

Limiting mail in ballots should be #2. On this there has long been a concern about the integrity of the ballots sent in. And that was before this last election cycle where many 10s of millions more were sent out.

Also as a side example CA wants or is allowing ballots to come in 10-14 days after the election is over and be counted. If one thinks about that, that is RIPE for abuse, especially when you consider there is little oversight on mail in ballots to begin with. And even without organized effort...hey my candidate lost. You know I am going to send in that ballot now. Not good. Especially when CA is loose on even the date of postage.

In the end, we should have rather enforceable standards regarding voting.
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I love mail-in voting. It take me about an hour to vote - stupid probably. I vote on everything on the card, and there is a crazy amount on the card. I'm looking up judges and water commissioners etc. I could do all this beforehand I suppose, but why bother, as I can just get the card and do it at home.

Auto recounts and checks for close margins should deal with the other.

I do agree that the integrity of the election is paramount, every one - local through national.
 
whatithink said:
A lot of states have auto recounts if the margin is small, and I have zero problem with recounts by competent professionals versus, say, the shite show recently in AZ. I get the sparse incidents, but elections in the US are fine.

It would be better for the country to expand the number voting, ensuring all redistricting is independent and force both political parties to have to move more to the center by making every race competitive. How f-cked up is the system when Congress' approval rating is never close to 50% but the re-election rate is in the high 90s?
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The problem with that is the assumption of "both" parties. Why only 2? Within a year we could enact laws and Constitutional Amendments that weaken the big parties (and their donors) hold on our politics. It's not going to happen as long as we have the Dumb and Dumber political system.
 
espola said:
The sad history of voter ID laws in the South bears some looking, such as requiring a free ID to be obtained at a DMV office and then closing selected DMV offices.
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Yup, hence my "straight forward & convenient" comment. You can see multiple instances today, never mind looking back, where its clear what the intent is in the number of voting stations, convenience and opening hours.
 
espola said:
The problem with that is the assumption of "both" parties. Why only 2? Within a year we could enact laws and Constitutional Amendments that weaken the big parties (and their donors) hold on our politics. It's not going to happen as long as we have the Dumb and Dumber political system.
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I'm not an advocate of the 2 party state or the lack of proportional representation. I also think everyone should be required to vote, like Australia, but accept that I am probably extreme on that one. Money in politics is the biggest problem, both parties are bought and paid for.
 
Desert Hound said:
Abortion is really the issue you have that is correct relating to many on the right.

The voting issue you are very wrong on.

The left is doing everything it can to bypass any real oversight on voting.

- To require an ID to vote is not voter suppression. Though the dems claim it is.
- Ballot harvesting is not something you want if you want integrity of the vote. And yet it is the left that mainly pushes this. It is ripe for corruption as the case of the R in NC shows an election cycle or 2 ago.
- Mailing out millions of mail in ballots is not a recipe for clean elections. Not long ago both Rep and Dems agreed on this. There is no chain of custody, no proof on who actually fills out, sends in the ballots. For something as vital as voting you dont want millions of ballots just floating around.
- Dems are the ones fighting cleaning up election rolls. If anything one wants the elections rolls to be as accurate as possible. And yet by and large it is the dems that fight this.
- And the most egregious is in this congress the dems have been pushing for basically federal control of the voting process...and with that all their wish lists to minimize oversight.

But back to your original comment. If you look on the push to restrict speech on campus, work, or in entertainment, that push comes today from the left.

If you look to where a group wants to push norms on other groups, today that largely comes from the left.

The one example that holds true for the right and it isnt universal would be abortion. Outside of that what national effort from the right do you see them trying to inflict on the populace at large?
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The rate of cheating is ALWAYS correlated to the opportunity to cheat. Going to the poll, showing your ID and voting is by far a better way to reduce the opportunity to cheat than mail-in ballots. If enough people don't believe in our voting system, it will come crashing down one way or another. It doesn't matter who is "right". I believe there is a dangerous underestimation of the importance of "faith" when it comes to our political and economic systems. If faith continues to erode, our problems have only begun.
 
dad4 said:
Not at this scale. When you let them run, it is not uncommon for a 14 or 15 year old to finish both stats and BC calc. Then what? Kid can’t drive, but the school doesn’t have anyone who even knows Lin Alg or DE, let alone can teach it.

Watch a U16 MLS-Next game and an AYSO U16 game back to back some time. That same skill differential exists in academics, too.
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...intelligence > wisdom = @dad4

...have the AYSO U16 also referee on weekends...take the time/money saved and earned to teach and implement financial IQ...the 3-4 MLS practice nights a week are replaced with podcasts on investing and books such as Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad Poor Dad"

...college is secondary. Perspective.
 
Getting harder and harder to cover for Lord Fauci

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A spokesman for Dr. Fauci says he has been “entirely truthful,” but a new letter belatedly acknowledging the National Institutes of Health’s support for virus-enhancing research adds more heat to the ongoing debate over whether a lab leak could have sparked the pandemic.
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whatithink said:
I love mail-in voting.

I do agree that the integrity of the election is paramount, every one - local through national.
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I’m in agreement about loving mai-in voting and election integrity.

If an engaged voter wants to request a mail-in ballot, I’m all for it… just not a fan of mailing ballots that were not requested by said voters.
 
whatithink said:
A lot of states have auto recounts if the margin is small, and I have zero problem with recounts by competent professionals versus, say, the shite show recently in AZ. I get the sparse incidents, but elections in the US are fine.

It would be better for the country to expand the number voting, ensuring all redistricting is independent and force both political parties to have to move more to the center by making every race competitive. How f-cked up is the system when Congress' approval rating is never close to 50% but the re-election rate is in the high 90s?
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Your "competent professionals" are volunteers looking at the marks and trying to decide whether an indentation was decided one way or another with two lawyers screaming in their ears. If you actually made them "professionals" they'd be captured just like any other groups pulling a salary.

I actually agree with most of your recommendations but note that with the extreme polarization these days, even supposedly "independent" boards like the Fed, the NLRB, or even the SEC are not really "independent" but are captured by interest groups and parties. Even supposedly non-partisan school boards are captured by either pro-union or anti-union candidates these days.

I also don't agree the US is "fine" given the margins several recent races have fallen in...a little fraud is enough to tilt the system....and given now what's going on with the school boards its become even more vital since the margins in those contested elections can be tight (again, my friend lost by less than 40 votes to the union candidate).

These wouldn't be an issue but for the extreme polarization of the country which is pulling the politicians in the two directions...otherwise you wouldn't see the impact that you do in the Senate which has no gerrymandering. Yet we only have maybe 7 true centrist senators, and of those 7 most of them are captured by special interests (Manchin/Murkowski) and/or are among the worst of the worst when it comes to politicians (Romney).
 
Brav520 said:
43 state wipeout in 2024
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If the bottom drops out over the winter (and I think at this point there is more of a 1/3 possibility that it happens, more than 50% if we get another COVID freak out), I think the Ds could very well be slaughtered in 2022...they also have until no later than January to pull the Senate and gubernatorial races out....maybe March for the House...afterwards everything gets baked in (due to retirements, money, etc). The Virginia governors race will be illustrative for how much the anti-Trump California playbook can limit the damage (I also think if the Rs lose this Virginia is going to tear itself apart....it's unsustainable state with confederate flags waiving proudly in the southern part of the state and Arlington being San Francisco blue).

2024 is a long way away. At the rate of deterioration Biden is going through, I think there's a reasonable chance he doesn't even make it to 2022. But if he is no longer president, it does give the Ds a chance to reset. Now they'll have to reset with Kamala (who hasn't even managed to do a good job as Veep in selling herself and makes Selina Meyers look like a political savant, at least so far), but we won't really know until we know and she will have a honeymoon period being the first female president and an African American one to boot. Who knows, even if she is an awful campaigner she might prove to be good at governance (yeah, I made myself laugh at that but again we don't know what we don't know).

It is a tall order and I stand by the statement that Trump might have done himself a favor by losing. If nothing changes, we are headed for a wipe out so large it might send the Ds back into the wilderness for decades.
 
Grace T. said:
If the bottom drops out over the winter (and I think at this point there is more of a 1/3 possibility that it happens, more than 50% if we get another COVID freak out), I think the Ds could very well be slaughtered in 2022...they also have until no later than January to pull the Senate and gubernatorial races out....maybe March for the House...afterwards everything gets baked in (due to retirements, money, etc). The Virginia governors race will be illustrative for how much the anti-Trump California playbook can limit the damage (I also think if the Rs lose this Virginia is going to tear itself apart....it's unsustainable state with confederate flags waiving proudly in the southern part of the state and Arlington being San Francisco blue).

2024 is a long way away. At the rate of deterioration Biden is going through, I think there's a reasonable chance he doesn't even make it to 2022. But if he is no longer president, it does give the Ds a chance to reset. Now they'll have to reset with Kamala (who hasn't even managed to do a good job as Veep in selling herself and makes Selina Meyers look like a political savant, at least so far), but we won't really know until we know and she will have a honeymoon period being the first female president and an African American one to boot. Who knows, even if she is an awful campaigner she might prove to be good at governance (yeah, I made myself laugh at that but again we don't know what we don't know).

It is a tall order and I stand by the statement that Trump might have done himself a favor by losing. If nothing changes, we are headed for a wipe out so large it might send the Ds back into the wilderness for decades.
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they are going lose midterms , all recent history suggest the president party loses the mid years in first term .. the question is will it be 2010, 2018 type slaughter for Dems . If it was held today they would get demolished

VA is def one to watch , they aren’t having quite the same luck with trying to tie Youngkin to Trump like the Dems did a good job of doing in CA. I still think the Dems eek out the race, state legislature is also up for grabs … even if the Dems win , but it’s close( and it should be) that should sound alarm bells , but it won’t

Kamala is terrible, if she was any good they’d have her out speaking way more often than she does . The Dems prefer a half alive human in Joe to Kamala , that’s how bad she is . It’s kinda shocking how bad she is at politics

she didn’t even make it to a primary in 2020, and this was with all the institutional backing , and media fawning over her . She was polling 3rd in her own state . Please run her in 2024
 
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