Vaccine

Desert Hound said:
GMOs first came to market in 1982. That is almost 40 yrs ago.

So it has a long track record of safety.

Also nobody mandates one to eat a gmo product. So that is vastly different vs mandating a vaxx that hasn't even been around a yr.
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The issue with GMOs in food has been disclosure. Manufacturers were reluctant to admit there were GMO components in food until forced by regulation, and there are still some exemptions. People who are concerned about GMOs in their food can buy "non-GMO" foods, which is kind of the opposite tack.
 
espola said:
The issue with GMOs in food has been disclosure. Manufacturers were reluctant to admit there were GMO components in food until forced by regulation, and there are still some exemptions. People who are concerned about GMOs in their food can buy "non-GMO" foods, which is kind of the opposite tack.
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I don't have issues with labeling. That is fine and good.

The reality however is we have been genetically modifying produce since the beginning of farming. We can simply speed up the process now since we know the various triggers so to speak to get desired traits.

Unfortunately many people think GMOs mean you are adding something unnatural to the product.

On a simple example not related to food...we have genetically modified dogs to get certain traits...ie dogs that hunt, trackers etc. It works well. Where it doesn't is inbreeding...think hips on German Shepherds. But that is in the same realm as the Hapsburg chin.

GMOs have simply speed up what farmers have been doing for thousands of yrs.

We now use less land, water, pesticides, etc. That is a desirable outcome.
 
whatithink said:
Governments can already do that. Climate should be next, but there's too much money to be made destroying our only livable habitat so that's unlikely to happen. The planet will be fine either way.
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...but, oh nevermind.
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"UN Climate Change Conference Using Diesel Generators To Charge Teslas



The COP Climate Change Conference, hosted by the UK in partnership with Italy, is taking place in Glasgow from October 31 to November 12. One blogger from Brighton wrote this week that attendees from the conference will be staying at Gleneagles Hotel, where there are 20 Teslas at the hotel to shuttle people back and forth to the convention, which is about 75km.



Then, the kicker. Since the hotel only has one Tesla charging station, several diesel generators have been contracted to help recharge the Teslas overnight."
 
Desert Hound said:
I don't have issues with labeling. That is fine and good.

The reality however is we have been genetically modifying produce since the beginning of farming. We can simply speed up the process now since we know the various triggers so to speak to get desired traits.

Unfortunately many people think GMOs mean you are adding something unnatural to the product.

On a simple example not related to food...we have genetically modified dogs to get certain traits...ie dogs that hunt, trackers etc. It works well. Where it doesn't is inbreeding...think hips on German Shepherds. But that is in the same realm as the Hapsburg chin.

GMOs have simply speed up what farmers have been doing for thousands of yrs.

We now use less land, water, pesticides, etc. That is a desirable outcome.
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If we want to tackle climate change, GMOs would have to be part of the solution and organics (which are less resistant to pest, take more land to grow and more water) are part of the problem (this is separate than the issue of local grown....it would just be local grown GMO products).

It's one of the issue with climate change....someone always objects to part of the radical solutions that are given: atomic power, GMOs, give up beef and less meat overall, give up the private planes and nonessential air travel, shoot the dogs, lose the hot showers.
 
Grace T. said:
If we want to tackle climate change, GMOs would have to be part of the solution and organics (which are less resistant to pest, take more land to grow and more water) are part of the problem (this is separate than the issue of local grown....it would just be local grown GMO products).

It's one of the issue with climate change....someone always objects to part of the radical solutions that are given: atomic power, GMOs, give up beef and less meat overall, give up the private planes and nonessential air travel, shoot the dogs, lose the hot showers.
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I understand the benefits of atomic power, GMO food, less air travel and eating less meat. Those are all serious proposals.

How did you conclude that killing dogs and banning hot showers are equally part of the solution? That sounds like more bull crap than actual numbers.
 
Desert Hound said:
GMOs first came to market in 1982. That is almost 40 yrs ago.

So it has a long track record of safety.

Also nobody mandates one to eat a gmo product. So that is vastly different vs mandating a vaxx that hasn't even been around a yr.
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Sure, but its not just the GMOs from 40 years ago, it many variations since which have not been on the market for 40 years or 20 or 10. Its a bit like mRNA that has been studied for 2+ decades, which was first used in vaccines 12+ years ago. So it not like mRNA just appeared and was first used in vaccines a year ago. But you know that.
 
met61 said:
...but, oh nevermind.
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"UN Climate Change Conference Using Diesel Generators To Charge Teslas



The COP Climate Change Conference, hosted by the UK in partnership with Italy, is taking place in Glasgow from October 31 to November 12. One blogger from Brighton wrote this week that attendees from the conference will be staying at Gleneagles Hotel, where there are 20 Teslas at the hotel to shuttle people back and forth to the convention, which is about 75km.



Then, the kicker. Since the hotel only has one Tesla charging station, several diesel generators have been contracted to help recharge the Teslas overnight."
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Yeah, a lot of hot air will come out of that and little to no change.
 
dad4 said:
I understand the benefits of atomic power, GMO food, less air travel and eating less meat. Those are all serious proposals.

How did you conclude that killing dogs and banning hot showers are equally part of the solution? That sounds like more bull crap than actual numbers.
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Dogs consume 10% of our meat production. The counter argument is well they only consume our scraps and make sure we otherwise don’t waste food. The counter to the counter is: dog food is no longer made largely from scraps but even a mainline blend like caesars has gone prime cut, the dog population has increased as people have moved away from child rearing which just substitutes a different mouth for another, and that’s before we get to even the enormous amounts of plastic junk they consume that powers stores like petco. It wouldn’t be a problem if people treated them like semi feral animals but the trend has been to increasingly treat them like children. I posted an article on the subject when the climate change discussion last reared it’s head.

ill concede I’m not being totally accurate on showers. It’s the smaller part of the problem which is gas heating in the northern part of the world. The problem with that is there’s not much we can do about it without having people freeze to death and we have done a lot already to switch to cleaner gases. But there is one small thing we could do even though it’s a fraction of the problem: the water heaters used in certain countries like the us uk and Canada. We have these huge water heaters that are constantly kept warm by burning gas. Even though the savings is fractional, it would be very real if we at a minimum switch to single use, heat before you use small tanks like in Italy and Spain. Having spent a year in Spain in my youth using such water heaters…I can tell you I missed the long American shower. But as they say small things add up and the problem is of such magnitude that if we wanted to keep the heating for the north, getting rid of long showers is one way to save
 
Grace T. said:
Dogs consume 10% of our meat production. The counter argument is well they only consume our scraps and make sure we otherwise don’t waste food. The counter to the counter is: dog food is no longer made largely from scraps but even a mainline blend like caesars has gone prime cut, the dog population has increased as people have moved away from child rearing which just substitutes a different mouth for another, and that’s before we get to even the enormous amounts of plastic junk they consume that powers stores like petco. It wouldn’t be a problem if people treated them like semi feral animals but the trend has been to increasingly treat them like children. I posted an article on the subject when the climate change discussion last reared it’s head.

ill concede I’m not being totally accurate on showers. It’s the smaller part of the problem which is gas heating in the northern part of the world. The problem with that is there’s not much we can do about it without having people freeze to death and we have done a lot already to switch to cleaner gases. But there is one small thing we could do even though it’s a fraction of the problem: the water heaters used in certain countries like the us uk and Canada. We have these huge water heaters that are constantly kept warm by burning gas. Even though the savings is fractional, it would be very real if we at a minimum switch to single use, heat before you use small tanks like in Italy and Spain. Having spent a year in Spain in my youth using such water heaters…I can tell you I missed the long American shower. But as they say small things add up and the problem is of such magnitude that if we wanted to keep the heating for the north, getting rid of long showers is one way to save
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A paper on the wall doesn’t always signify intelligence. Persistence maybe, but not always intelligence.
 
Hey Grace T, I just got done watching a compelling Docu about all the plane crashes the last 30 days. These are not commercial planes with jabbed pilots, these are jabbed one man Cessna's that become bombs in the sky when the pilot passes out or has blood clot cause heart attack in the sky. I 100% want to say, "RIP" to all those WHO have lost their lives because of the vaccine. They ((The Documentary)) said It was a record month for small plane crashes and all were jabbed. Commercial planes have three pilots in case one has a heart attack in the sky so they can cover him/her if ER occurs. That's why the strike from the pilots, so my pilot pal says. My pal knows everything in the skies Grace T. He fly's C-17 in Air Force part time and Commercial for Alaska full time. He got the jab and has had no issues. Super healthy pilot and a Top Gun, MOO :) He does say it seems more and more pilots are getting sick and he has heard some things that just happen on the Tar Mac. I'm not at liberty to share because it's not 100% confirmed what the real issue is. Also, I hear that people are crashing their cars after passing out. Yes, they just got jabbed but they can't say for sure what the true cause of the pass out is but the ER department say's the crashes are through the roof. More information will be coming out that will blow us all away. Indictments are coming and Camp Delta just got done building new court house at the Bay. Happy TGIFS!!!
 
Grace T. said:
Dogs consume 10% of our meat production. The counter argument is well they only consume our scraps and make sure we otherwise don’t waste food. The counter to the counter is: dog food is no longer made largely from scraps but even a mainline blend like caesars has gone prime cut, the dog population has increased as people have moved away from child rearing which just substitutes a different mouth for another, and that’s before we get to even the enormous amounts of plastic junk they consume that powers stores like petco. It wouldn’t be a problem if people treated them like semi feral animals but the trend has been to increasingly treat them like children. I posted an article on the subject when the climate change discussion last reared it’s head.

ill concede I’m not being totally accurate on showers. It’s the smaller part of the problem which is gas heating in the northern part of the world. The problem with that is there’s not much we can do about it without having people freeze to death and we have done a lot already to switch to cleaner gases. But there is one small thing we could do even though it’s a fraction of the problem: the water heaters used in certain countries like the us uk and Canada. We have these huge water heaters that are constantly kept warm by burning gas. Even though the savings is fractional, it would be very real if we at a minimum switch to single use, heat before you use small tanks like in Italy and Spain. Having spent a year in Spain in my youth using such water heaters…I can tell you I missed the long American shower. But as they say small things add up and the problem is of such magnitude that if we wanted to keep the heating for the north, getting rid of long showers is one way to save
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Ps. The other way both dogs and humans contribute to global warming is through flatulence (yes every time you let one rip you are slowly killing the planet). They don’t in any way near the scale of cows but we are talking about (unless you are going to sentence India and Africa to perpetual poverty and periodic starvation) needing to reach pre industrial levels of output in the west. Before we start shooting the humans….or collapsing societies before putting radical limitations on having children (didn’t work so good in the prc)…shooting the dogs seems like a more humane option (the crying child notwithstanding).
 
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