Vaccine

watfly said:
That's interesting. We were the opposite. A bunch of Francis Parker kids on my son's first team. Now I would guess 1/3 of our kids are scholarshipped. Ramona, El Cajon, Carlsbad, Chula Vista, Spring Valley, La Jolla, Escondido to name a few, our kids are from all over the County.
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My impression is that in our area of Santa Clara County, there are many more Hispanic boys from the various neighborhoods playing high-level soccer than Hispanic girls from those same neighborhoods. I don't have actual numbers to back it up, but that's my impression.
 
met61 said:
Actually, I believe you are the one who has it upside down. Understandable, as you've probably been raised and lived in the bubble of a controlled environment amongst a specific control group. But, having spent most of my adult life in the military surrounded by individuals from every corner of the country, from every race, gender, nationality, economic status, religion, and political party. I can assure you, the psychological humanity and core division you speak of is minimally measurable, if it exists at all. You see, when you look up and down military ranks, you will see noticeable and vast differences...but, you will also find the two main principles they all have in common: 1) The US Flag on their shoulder; 2) The belief the soldier on their right and left will fight and die for them.

A great country needs common principles to bond and rally around. Politicians know the quickest road to power is division within the electorate, using identity politics and pitting individuals differences against each other.

I have never seen my biracial children at their classmates throats because of their white side or brown side...hell, no one in their peer groups even notices it or brings it up. Rather, I have clearly seen politicians and their acolytes in education with grotesque political motives jamming it down their throats.

All politicians use division and fear to generate power, but it is leftist who are leading the way in destroying our national unifying principles and identities.

It only takes a superficial amount of Wisdom and real personal experience to understand this.
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Amen Brother!

The only thing I'd add is most foreigners from my tours around the world love and respect America way more than the lefties and most Dems in this country. Sad but true.
 
lafalafa said:
140,000 deaths prevented from covid vaccines was the claim I read today but I think that's old numbers.

www.nih.gov

Vaccines prevented up to 140,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S.

A study estimated that COVID-19 vaccinations prevented nearly 140,000 deaths in the U.S. by May 2021.
www.nih.gov www.nih.gov

Even so to me heath care is personal choice just like diets or what we consume.

We have some of the worse diets and obesity problems the world has seen yet there very little govt mandates for junk food content, amts of sugar, salt, sodium or for healthy eating, natural food, regular exercise for adults, etc.
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We do have some bad diet habits as a nation.

That said I don't want gov mandating diets etc.

The more we have gov intrude, the more they will
 
what-happened said:
This is just weird isn't it? Who are these people you are trying to convince? The people on here who are obviously vaccinated, abiding by whatever mandates are being dished out by their local governments? People on here who've maybe had covid? Don't you find it funny or ironic that everyone on here who happens to post an anti-mask meme is likley wearing a mask when it's required? You live in CA, you know the draconian nature of your elected government and you seem to be a rule follower.

My business partner is in CA as we speak, attending a weekend medical conference. Appears that everyone is following the rules, especially patients. Or maybe you are just upset at the terrible ending to last night's baseball game. The Giants were robbed, at least for that call. I dont' take pride winning like that but do feel the game still would have ended favorably for the dodgers. Just would have taken an extra pitch two. But you never know.

Maybe you should take a roadtrip to the part(s) of the country that aren't living up to your standards and let them know.
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Dad should seriously consider moving to Gallup New Mexico.
 
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Hüsker Dü said:
Trolls a plenty, new trolls, same trolls. Trolls think being louder and more persistent makes them right. Funny how that works.
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You know the debate is lost when the losers of the debate accuse the winners for being trolls. You and dad and the trolls on your side lost. Now go away and be a good sport :)

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So "Team Virus" is:

Pro-Vaccine
Pro-Natural Immunity
Mask Compliant
Pro-Children
Pro-Small Business

And somehow because we question the mandates we're the bad guys, We deserve to be called "dumbfucks", we deserve to be shamed into compliance. Don't think, just silently comply. Seems like a troubling path to me.
 
watfly said:
So "Team Virus" is:

Pro-Vaccine
Pro-Natural Immunity
Mask Compliant
Pro-Children
Pro-Small Business

And somehow because we question the mandates we're the bad guys, We deserve to be called "dumbfucks", we deserve to be shamed into compliance. Don't think, just silently comply. Seems like a troubling path to me.
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Of course vaccine mandates are a troubling path , we are opening up for the government to mandate anything they want under the broad term of “saving lives “

climate is next
 
lafalafa said:
Opioid epidemic and crisis rages on & kills more 700k in 2020 yet that's barely discussed.

Tragedy yes the # of covid fatalities but likely peaked in the USA why opioids will do more damage this year.

How about some ideas or attention to other heath issues like cancer, heart disease, diabetes that are causing more people problems.

COVID-19 is just one of many things like the flu that risks could be minimized with medicines. Vaccines are one approach or a combination of them or with antivirals.
www.wsj.com

Merck Asks FDA to Authorize Promising Covid-19 Pill

The filing comes shortly after data from a late-stage study showed that the antiviral drug, molnupiravir, cut the risk of hospitalization or death by about 50% in high-risk people with mild to moderate Covid-19.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

Need to get on with life, manage covid but lets not go overboard with it and concentrate on the other things that are longer term problems like mentioned.
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Whataboutery is a piss poor argument.

You're 100% correct that more should be done to resolve each if the items listed, but there is far more money to be made out of treating and not curing. Vaccines, plus boosters, plus annual jabs etc. follows the same path.

Ultimately there is a failure of leadership from the pols, but we get the leaders we deserve, so that's on us as we vote them in again, and again, and again. Einstein defined it well.
 
Brav520 said:
Of course vaccine mandates are a troubling path , we are opening up for the government to mandate anything they want under the broad term of “saving lives “

climate is next
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Governments can already do that. Climate should be next, but there's too much money to be made destroying our only livable habitat so that's unlikely to happen. The planet will be fine either way.
 
Desert Hound said:
We do have some bad diet habits as a nation.

That said I don't want gov mandating diets etc.

The more we have gov intrude, the more they will
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Governments mandate everything relative to what you eat today. What's the alternative, that we should trust agribusiness and grocery chains, you can't possibly be serious?

As you are one you is overly concerned with vaccines and the lack of long term impacts, how about gmo foods, every thought about that?

Keep in mind, the long term effects of a vaccine (1 or 2 jabs) is short in nature, due to the human body (wonderful that it is, as brother IZ will verify) processing it quickly.

Put that against food that you consume every day, constantly putting more of it into your already polluted body.

Bioethical reflection on the use of GMOs - MAHB (stanford.edu)
 
whatithink said:
how about gmo foods, every thought about that?
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Yep I have thought about GMOs a lot.

We have been genetically modifying plants, since the dawn of farming.

I like the fact that with GMO we use less pesticides, use less water, less land, less loss of product, produce items such as golden rice which helps the poor in many countries increase the nutrition the receive on a daily basis, etc.

The produce is healthy.

Packages/processed foods however can be a different story due to salt content, and other additives used to make manufacturing easier.

But I will take GMO all day every day.
 
Desert Hound said:
Yep I have thought about GMOs a lot.

We have been genetically modifying plants, since the dawn of farming.

I like the fact that with GMO we use less pesticides, use less water, less land, less loss of product, produce items such as golden rice which helps the poor in many countries increase the nutrition the receive on a daily basis, etc.

The produce is healthy.

Packages/processed foods however can be a different story due to salt content, and other additives used to make manufacturing easier.

But I will take GMO all day every day.
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but we don't know the long term effects ... remember that argument?
 
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