Of course vaccine mandates are a troubling path , we are opening up for the government to mandate anything they want under the broad term of “saving lives “
climate is next
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Of course vaccine mandates are a troubling path , we are opening up for the government to mandate anything they want under the broad term of “saving lives “
climate is next
whatithink
GOLD
Whataboutery is a piss poor argument.Opioid epidemic and crisis rages on & kills more 700k in 2020 yet that's barely discussed.
Tragedy yes the # of covid fatalities but likely peaked in the USA why opioids will do more damage this year.
How about some ideas or attention to other heath issues like cancer, heart disease, diabetes that are causing more people problems.
COVID-19 is just one of many things like the flu that risks could be minimized with medicines. Vaccines are one approach or a combination of them or with antivirals.
Merck Asks FDA to Authorize Promising Covid-19 Pill
The filing comes shortly after data from a late-stage study showed that the antiviral drug, molnupiravir, cut the risk of hospitalization or death by about 50% in high-risk people with mild to moderate Covid-19.www.wsj.com
Need to get on with life, manage covid but lets not go overboard with it and concentrate on the other things that are longer term problems like mentioned.
You're 100% correct that more should be done to resolve each if the items listed, but there is far more money to be made out of treating and not curing. Vaccines, plus boosters, plus annual jabs etc. follows the same path.
Ultimately there is a failure of leadership from the pols, but we get the leaders we deserve, so that's on us as we vote them in again, and again, and again. Einstein defined it well.
whatithink
GOLD
Governments can already do that. Climate should be next, but there's too much money to be made destroying our only livable habitat so that's unlikely to happen. The planet will be fine either way.
whatithink
GOLD
Governments mandate everything relative to what you eat today. What's the alternative, that we should trust agribusiness and grocery chains, you can't possibly be serious?
As you are one you is overly concerned with vaccines and the lack of long term impacts, how about gmo foods, every thought about that?
Keep in mind, the long term effects of a vaccine (1 or 2 jabs) is short in nature, due to the human body (wonderful that it is, as brother IZ will verify) processing it quickly.
Put that against food that you consume every day, constantly putting more of it into your already polluted body.
Bioethical reflection on the use of GMOs - MAHB (stanford.edu)
For what values of "fine"?
Desert Hound
DA
Yep I have thought about GMOs a lot.
We have been genetically modifying plants, since the dawn of farming.
I like the fact that with GMO we use less pesticides, use less water, less land, less loss of product, produce items such as golden rice which helps the poor in many countries increase the nutrition the receive on a daily basis, etc.
The produce is healthy.
Packages/processed foods however can be a different story due to salt content, and other additives used to make manufacturing easier.
But I will take GMO all day every day.
whatithink
GOLD
as defined by the planet, not by us
whatithink
GOLD
but we don't know the long term effects ... remember that argument?
Did you intend that to have some meaning?
whatithink
GOLD
As meaningful as your question.
Desert Hound
DA
GMOs first came to market in 1982. That is almost 40 yrs ago.
So it has a long track record of safety.
Also nobody mandates one to eat a gmo product. So that is vastly different vs mandating a vaxx that hasn't even been around a yr.
The issue with GMOs in food has been disclosure. Manufacturers were reluctant to admit there were GMO components in food until forced by regulation, and there are still some exemptions. People who are concerned about GMOs in their food can buy "non-GMO" foods, which is kind of the opposite tack.
Desert Hound
DA
I don't have issues with labeling. That is fine and good.
The reality however is we have been genetically modifying produce since the beginning of farming. We can simply speed up the process now since we know the various triggers so to speak to get desired traits.
Unfortunately many people think GMOs mean you are adding something unnatural to the product.
On a simple example not related to food...we have genetically modified dogs to get certain traits...ie dogs that hunt, trackers etc. It works well. Where it doesn't is inbreeding...think hips on German Shepherds. But that is in the same realm as the Hapsburg chin.
GMOs have simply speed up what farmers have been doing for thousands of yrs.
We now use less land, water, pesticides, etc. That is a desirable outcome.
met61
GOLD
... it's his go to response, he's the self-appointed resident question guy...leave him be.
met61
GOLD
...hmm, strange...must be a one off.
citizenfreepress.com
UK to Fauci — We have a big problem…
UK Vaccination rates approach 90 percent but it’s not helping… Cases are exploding despite the very high Vaccination rate …
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met61
GOLD
...but, oh nevermind.
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"UN Climate Change Conference Using Diesel Generators To Charge Teslas
The COP Climate Change Conference, hosted by the UK in partnership with Italy, is taking place in Glasgow from October 31 to November 12. One blogger from Brighton wrote this week that attendees from the conference will be staying at Gleneagles Hotel, where there are 20 Teslas at the hotel to shuttle people back and forth to the convention, which is about 75km.
Then, the kicker. Since the hotel only has one Tesla charging station, several diesel generators have been contracted to help recharge the Teslas overnight."
If we want to tackle climate change, GMOs would have to be part of the solution and organics (which are less resistant to pest, take more land to grow and more water) are part of the problem (this is separate than the issue of local grown....it would just be local grown GMO products).
It's one of the issue with climate change....someone always objects to part of the radical solutions that are given: atomic power, GMOs, give up beef and less meat overall, give up the private planes and nonessential air travel, shoot the dogs, lose the hot showers.
I understand the benefits of atomic power, GMO food, less air travel and eating less meat. Those are all serious proposals.
How did you conclude that killing dogs and banning hot showers are equally part of the solution? That sounds like more bull crap than actual numbers.
whatithink
GOLD
Sure, but its not just the GMOs from 40 years ago, it many variations since which have not been on the market for 40 years or 20 or 10. Its a bit like mRNA that has been studied for 2+ decades, which was first used in vaccines 12+ years ago. So it not like mRNA just appeared and was first used in vaccines a year ago. But you know that.
whatithink
GOLD
Yeah, a lot of hot air will come out of that and little to no change.