Vaccine

The vaccine was certainly not sold as Hey get the shot ,but we aren't sure how effective it actually is at preventing you from catching or transmitting covid.

Anyone arguing otherwise, is Monday Morning Qb"ing

How do we know this, because when breakthrough cases actually started, there was general shock in the public and it was front page news.

Of course, our experts knew this. So, why are we continuing to not get the full truth from our health "experts"? Why do they treat us like children, that we somehow can't handle the truth ? And people wonder why the public continues to lose confidence in the people who are supposed to be the "experts".
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Elites giving more conspiracy fodder to the extremes. These guys just can't help themselves. Journalism is on life support and its failures are driving the divide in our country.

www.foxnews.com

Joe Rogan forces Dr. Sanjay Gupta to admit CNN shouldn't have called his COVID treatment 'horse dewormer'

Joe Rogan confronted CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta over his network's claims that the podcast host took "horse dewormer" as a COVID treatment.
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there is a reason corporate media personalities rarely venture out of their bubble for interviews. Long form interviewing is certainly a stay away. I give Gupta credit for even going on his show, 99% of his colleagues never would
 
Brav520 said:
The vaccine was certainly not sold as Hey get the shot ,but we aren't sure how effective it actually is at preventing you from catching or transmitting covid.

Anyone arguing otherwise, is Monday Morning Qb"ing

How do we know this, because when breakthrough cases actually started, there was general shock in the public and it was front page news.

Of course, our experts knew this. So, why are we continuing to not get the full truth from our health "experts"? Why do they treat us like children, that we somehow can't handle the truth ? And people wonder why the public continues to lose confidence in the people who are supposed to be the "experts".
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Maybe it’s because most people are idiots.
 
Brav520 said:
The vaccine was certainly not sold as Hey get the shot ,but we aren't sure how effective it actually is at preventing you from catching or transmitting covid.

Anyone arguing otherwise, is Monday Morning Qb"ing

How do we know this, because when breakthrough cases actually started, there was general shock in the public and it was front page news.

Of course, our experts knew this. So, why are we continuing to not get the full truth from our health "experts"? Why do they treat us like children, that we somehow can't handle the truth ? And people wonder why the public continues to lose confidence in the people who are supposed to be the "experts".
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All truth
 
The Covid Vax does not appear to do well at stopping infection

At this point the vaccination provides a private benefit, protection vs severe disease and death.

But limited public benefit , as it doesn't necessarily do well at preventing spread.

So then the hot button issue of the day, what is the argument for VAX mandates ?
 
Brav520 said:
The Covid Vax does not appear to do well at stopping infection

At this point the vaccination provides a private benefit, protection vs severe disease and death.

But limited public benefit , as it doesn't necessarily do well at preventing spread.

So then the hot button issue of the day, what is the argument for VAX mandates ?
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... profit.
 
Brav520 said:
The Covid Vax does not appear to do well at stopping infection

At this point the vaccination provides a private benefit, protection vs severe disease and death.

But limited public benefit , as it doesn't necessarily do well at preventing spread.

So then the hot button issue of the day, what is the argument for VAX mandates ?
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To be fair, the Delta variant has thrown a wrench into everything, as has politics. Intersecting public health with politics hardly works, unless you are trying to raise money.

To your point, the vaccines have been rather effective at preventing death and severity of disease. The right thing to do is to push for vaccination (1 dose, 2 dose) and boosters for those that are elderly and immunecomprimised. Once that campaign is officially underway, get on with life. Endemic management of the disease is the reality.

Breakthrough infections are going to be part of life, just look at Israel. Therapeutics are on deck, ready to step in. Big Pharma can smell blood in the water and want to make the big bucks.

Vax mandates are likley not going to be walked back. They are effective at getting people vaccinated and at being extremely divisive. At the end of the day, most people will abide by the mandates, they prefer to have a job. Their will be outliers but most will comply.
 
what-happened said:
To be fair, the Delta variant has thrown a wrench into everything, as has politics. Intersecting public health with politics hardly works, unless you are trying to raise money.

To your point, the vaccines have been rather effective at preventing death and severity of disease. The right thing to do is to push for vaccination (1 dose, 2 dose) and boosters for those that are elderly and immunecomprimised. Once that campaign is officially underway, get on with life. Endemic management of the disease is the reality.

Breakthrough infections are going to be part of life, just look at Israel. Therapeutics are on deck, ready to step in. Big Pharma can smell blood in the water and want to make the big bucks.

Vax mandates are likley not going to be walked back. They are effective at getting people vaccinated and at being extremely divisive. At the end of the day, most people will abide by the mandates, they prefer to have a job. Their will be outliers but most will comply.
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There appears to be a growing number of people who are pushing back against these mandates, I agree that losing your job is a motivating factor. That doesn't make mandates right

The rubber will meet the road so to speak once they start trying to enforce mandates on children, especially young children.

This is not going end well for the people in power, and I believe the Biden administration knows that. He is in a bind
 
MacDre said:
The form of government doesn’t matter. The problem is and has always been too much money/power in the hands of a few corrupt individuals.
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You sound as if you have little hope of a good outcome in the US. What's stopping you from going to a country with a lower ratio of idiots and money/power dispersed more equitably among corrupt individuals?
 
what-happened said:
To be fair, the Delta variant has thrown a wrench into everything, as has politics. Intersecting public health with politics hardly works, unless you are trying to raise money.

To your point, the vaccines have been rather effective at preventing death and severity of disease. The right thing to do is to push for vaccination (1 dose, 2 dose) and boosters for those that are elderly and immunecomprimised. Once that campaign is officially underway, get on with life. Endemic management of the disease is the reality.

Breakthrough infections are going to be part of life, just look at Israel. Therapeutics are on deck, ready to step in. Big Pharma can smell blood in the water and want to make the big bucks.

Vax mandates are likley not going to be walked back. They are effective at getting people vaccinated and at being extremely divisive. At the end of the day, most people will abide by the mandates, they prefer to have a job. Their will be outliers but most will comply.
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...image that, what government can do to sheep by threatening their job and way of life.

...can you give me a good reason why congress & staff are exempt from the federal employee vaccine mandate?
 
met61 said:
...image that, what government can do to sheep by threatening their job and way of life.

...can you give me a good reason why congress & staff are exempt from the federal employee vaccine mandate?
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1.Yep - happens in capitalism and democracy all the time. Maybe people will vote on principle as opposed to emotion next time.

2. Because rules for thee and not for me is an official US Government Policy Directive.

Voting is a thing.
 
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