Vaccine

what-happened said:
well, there goes the idea that you could contribute to this discussion beyond cutting and pasting. Excellent job at ducking the topic. I'm starting to believe that you have no idea what a strawman argument even is.

Let's get your opnion another way. Simple yes or no. My answers are in parenthesis:

1. Do the sars-cov-2 vaccines wane? (Y)
2. Do the sars-cov-2 vaccine prevent infection? (N)
3. Should you vaccinate humans that are at low risk for a disease?(N)
4. Should sars-cov-2 vaccines be utilized as a tool to manage the disease? (Y)
5. Is Ronaldo better than Messi?(N)
6. Do you think @Hüsker Dü can provide value add to any conversation without insulting someone? (N)
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Your strawman arguments were embodied in your "as advertised" phrases. No vaccine is perfect at preventing the disease it is aimed at. The best measure of the effectiveness of a vaccine is whether the results in the vaccinated population are better than in the unvaccinated population.

They are.
 
what-happened said:
I'll bite - can we agree that the protection offered by the vaccines against sars-cov-2 isn't playing out as advertised? Don't you remember the 4th of July pipe dream being peddled by the federal government. If you can't agree or see that this is the case, then you are in no position to have an objective conversation.

I am vaxxed and have had a breakthrough infection. I'm one those with super duper hybrid immunity. I'm pro vaccine for the populations that need it.

Notice how the narrative changed after it became apparent that the vaccines waned in such a short period of time and a booster was the answer? We went from providing protection from the virus to championing protection from hospitalization and death. Quite a change of direction. Another interesting note, follow vaccine stock pricing and fluctuations. Wall street likes nothing better than failing vaccines. Not a lot of money to be made in vaccines that work. Plenty of money to be made on vaccines that require therapeutic boosters. Check out stock price for Merck these days. Therapeutics is where you make the money.

Bottom line is the sars-cov-2 vaccines do not work as advertised. Check out the data from Israel and the UK. They have the best data to make conclusions from. With that said, the rate of speed that these vaccines were developed was truly amazing. It's not a panacea and it's certainly a tool to be used in the management of the disease.
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Falls apart on your first sentence. I do not agree that it is fair to blame the vaccine for the fact that Delta exists.
 
GoldenGate said:
I'm not stuck on anything. I can see how you wouldn't want to continue discussing something that was so demonstrably false and contradicts your anti-mask/vax narrative, however. It must be incredibly embarrassing to believe that FL is doing so great only to find out that the information you rely on for that conclusion is unquestionably fraudulent. How many people a day do you think were really dying of Covid in FL every day? 200? 300? Or just motorcycle accidents? How bad do you think it is going to look when all is said and done? How much worse will FL look compared to even NY, especially since FL has no excuse given that most of its deaths could have been easily avoided by getting vaccinated, and FL had 18 months that NY did not have to learn how to treat those with it, as well as the efficacy of wearing masks. Seriously, we are 18 months in and both you and FL seem to think no one ever dies of Covid, but stock up on horse paste just in case, because someone said on Facebook that it is the best way to save lives of those who are dying from Covid, assuming they are, which they aren't.
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Remember when Florida shoved Covid positive patients back into nursing homes

then the Governor tried to cover up those numbers

then wrote a book about how well he did at Covid

#deathdesantis
 
dad4 said:
Falls apart on your first sentence. I do not agree that it is fair to blame the vaccine for the fact that Delta exists.
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It doesn't fall apart, you are not opening your eyes. It's plenty effective against the Delta variant, but it wanes...that's the point, it wanes. It wanes against the OG and subsequent variants. If you are an early vaccine adopter, your almost back to square one. Maddening huh. And, you will have to wait for your therapeutic booster. The FDA isn't too keen on boosters. People have even quit over boosters..imagaine that.
 
espola said:
Your strawman arguments were embodied in your "as advertised" phrases. No vaccine is perfect at preventing the disease it is aimed at. The best measure of the effectiveness of a vaccine is whether the results in the vaccinated population are better than in the unvaccinated population.

They are.
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You've taken babbling to a whole new level....stick to your unique interpretation of strawman and avoid actual discussion. You should be blocked by anyone on here who values intellectual discourse. I asked you simple yes or no questions and you can't summon the courage to answer.
 
what-happened said:
You've taken babbling to a whole new level....stick to your unique interpretation of strawman and avoid actual discussion. You should be blocked by anyone on here who values intellectual discourse. I asked you simple yes or no questions and you can't summon the courage to answer.
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I thought you wanted an objective conversation. You're just running around lighting symbolic fires, ignoring the conversation.
 
what-happened said:
It doesn't fall apart, you are not opening your eyes. It's plenty effective against the Delta variant, but it wanes...that's the point, it wanes. It wanes against the OG and subsequent variants. If you are an early vaccine adopter, your almost back to square one. Maddening huh. And, you will have to wait for your therapeutic booster. The FDA isn't too keen on boosters. People have even quit over boosters..imagaine that.
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Just today I got my annual flu shot. You might call that a booster.
 
espola said:
I thought you wanted an objective conversation. You're just running around lighting symbolic fires, ignoring the conversation.
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I’ll take the second definition please…. Much closer to stringing words together/babbling and still lacking a response to the direct questions posed.

Maybe a mirror would be helpful from time to time.

  1. 2.
    GRAMMAR
    relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used as the object of a transitive verb or a prepositio
 
N00B said:
I’ll take the second definition please…. Much closer to stringing words together/babbling and still lacking a response to the direct questions posed.

Maybe a mirror would be helpful from time to time.

  1. 2.
    GRAMMAR
    relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used as the object of a transitive verb or a prepositio
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Subjective most commonly means based on the personal perspective or preferences of a person—the subject who's observing something. In contrast, objective most commonly means not influenced by or based on a personal viewpoint—based on the analysis of an object of observation only.
 
GoldenGate said:
How false do you think your assertion that the FL death rate as of 10/2 was 17 a day will end up being? I mean, we're fast approaching a factor of 10, but how much beyond that? How not steep do you think it will end up being? How big a lie did you tell?

You wanted to talk about how great FL was doing so much that you posted a graph that you knew was misleading. I've posted the same graph every time it gets updated to make sure even dumbshits like you understand that you're being duped. So now you want to talk about the US Navy's birthday. Figures.
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You're wrong.
 
espola said:
Just today I got my annual flu shot. You might call that a booster.
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You might not call it a booster. Comparing the two is foolish - apples to oranges. We better hope sars-cov-2 doesn't behave like the flu and require a brand new shot each year. People certainly can get a second dose of the flu shot but it's a small, specific population that will be given a second shot as a booster.
 
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