Vaccine

[NorCalDad]

Actually I blamed the politicians. But the left thinks that vaccine cards required for normal activities are no big deal because its only the Trump anti-vaxxers that this policy discriminates against. Review the prior posts by your leftist friends and you will see this sentiment repeated ad nauseum. I've provided the evidence for my opinion including Newsom singling out the white, republican stronghold of OC for the most restrictive Covid policy. You can't deny that Newsom's policies are in large part political. He closed schools statewide a couple days after LAUSD and SDUSD said they wouldn't allow their teachers to return to school. He dropped his tier Covid system when the recall was certified and then didn't implement any new policies before the election (even though infections would have put every county way beyond the Purple tier). Then boom he wins the election and now he implements sweeping vaccination requirements for children on the downslope of the Delta wave. You can't be that naïve not to see that in plain sight. Even I can concede that DeSantis and Abbot had policies influenced by politics, just with significantly less collateral damage.

"Even I can concede that DeSantis and Abbot had policies influenced by politics, just with significantly less collateral damage."

Are you kidding me?

Look I will be the first to say 99% of politicians are not representing their constituents needs. I think Bernie might be the only one who actually cares about people, but surely that statement alone will trigger the MAGAs here. I think my views have been consistent here. I've called out Newsom many times on this thread and elsewhere on this message board. But, to lay blame on the "leftists" is just dumb and it reveals more about you than anything else.

 

[watfly]

"Even I can concede that DeSantis and Abbot had policies influenced by politics, just with significantly less collateral damage."

Are you kidding me?

Look I will be the first to say 99% of politicians are not representing their constituents needs. I think Bernie might be the only one who actually cares about people, but surely that statement alone will trigger the MAGAs here. I think my views have been consistent here. I've called out Newsom many times on this thread and elsewhere on this message board. But, to lay blame on the "leftists" is just dumb and it reveals more about you than anything else.

My views are consistent here as well, its about the kids and it's been the left controlled states that have placed the most Covid policy burdens on our kids at the expense of their health and education. It's unfortunate that you can't see that.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

My views are consistent here as well, its about the kids and it's been the left controlled states that have placed the most Covid policy burdens on our kids at the expense of their health and education. It's unfortunate that you can't see that.

Anybody who thinks Bernie cares more about people, and says he has been consistent is telling the truth about his democratic socialism.

 

[watfly]

"Even I can concede that DeSantis and Abbot had policies influenced by politics, just with significantly less collateral damage."

Are you kidding me?

Look I will be the first to say 99% of politicians are not representing their constituents needs. I think Bernie might be the only one who actually cares about people, but surely that statement alone will trigger the MAGAs here. I think my views have been consistent here. I've called out Newsom many times on this thread and elsewhere on this message board. But, to lay blame on the "leftists" is just dumb and it reveals more about you than anything else.

I can actually respect Bernie. He has his principles and he appears to be unwavering in his commitment to them. I just disagree with many of his principles or how he wants to implement them.

 

[NorCalDad]

My views are consistent here as well, its about the kids and it's been the left controlled states that have placed the most Covid policy burdens on our kids at the expense of their health and education. It's unfortunate that you can't see that.

You honestly think the children in right controlled states have faired better?

I know far more people on the "left" that are willing to call out people in their "party" than those on the right. It's quite fascinating to be honest. I mean that's how most folks on this board operate. I mean look at the dudes posting all the noise. Seriously, look at the crap they post. it's frickin nuts.....but oh no....GG needs an intervention. Give me a break man. I think I'm starting to agree with @Grace T.'s view on adults in this country.

 

[Grace T.]

You honestly think the children in right controlled states have faired better?

I know far more people on the "left" that are willing to call out people in their "party" than those on the right. It's quite fascinating to be honest. I mean that's how most folks on this board operate. I mean look at the dudes posting all the noise. Seriously, look at the crap they post. it's frickin nuts.....but oh no....GG needs an intervention. Give me a break man. I think I'm starting to agree with @Grace T.'s view on adults in this country.

1. The kids in red states had schools open last year, fewer mask mandates this year and had their sports. My son was training in Utah while sports here were shut down, swimming in the pool while public pools here were closed.
2. If you look at pundits it’s definitely not true the lefties call their own out more than the righties. There’s a long line of right commentators ranging from Ben Shapiro to Megan McCain and even Tucker Carlson that at various times called out trumpy tours. The left hasn’t done that with Biden (except somewhat on Afghanistan but if they were to be honest thered be a lot more questions about Biden’s competency right now and there isn’t). If you are talking regular folks maybe….but most regular folks are actually more moderate than the talking heads.
3. Eotl does need an intervention. The language he uses suggests some bipolar tendency and the language is wayyyyy outside the norms attorneys use to even speak to really hostile opposing council. It suggests either someone who is doing a very serious troll act or someone mentally unbalanced. The fact that he also has to use a library computer (or some equivalent) raises questions about his life status
4. Again look at the divorce rate…some people just don’t grow up.

 

[watfly]

You honestly think the children in right controlled states have faired better?

100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.

 

[what-happened]

I am not surprised that you just want to play word games. Grace is better at it than you are.

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[lafalafa]

So the beat goes on. Have to be vaccinated or have a negative test with 72hrs to attend the games or events. People are going to be turned away at the LAFC games and the Halloween events like at Universal.

LA County COVID vaccine mandate takes effect for large events, indoor areas of bars, nightclubs

L.A. County began imposing COVID-19 vaccination requirements at indoor portions of bars, wineries, distilleries, nightclubs and lounges.

abc7.com

Number of people I guess including some HS or club coaches are losing jobs besides just medical professionals. Long time manager at a place where one of our young adults works was put on leave yesterday and was not allowed to enter the facility. Getting real...

 

[outside!]

Cali still leading the total deaths and total cases race. What are you afraid of tough guy?

Deaths per capita and cases per capita are the only meaningful way to compare different areas. Throw in population density and it becomes more meaningful. Do the research and look at North Dakota.

 

[watfly]

The language he uses suggests some bipolar tendency

Um, don't you have to visit another pole to be bipolar? I'd say he is far more uni-polar than bipolar, although I'm pretty sure its just an act, he's playing a character under the anonymity of an online forum. If he was that mentally ill he wouldn't be able to logon. Another alternative is that he is a Gender Studies instructor at the local JC.

 

[what-happened]

So the beat goes on. Have to be vaccinated or have a negative test with 72hrs to attend the games or events. People are going to be turned away at the LAFC games and the Halloween events like at Universal.

LA County COVID vaccine mandate takes effect for large events, indoor areas of bars, nightclubs

L.A. County began imposing COVID-19 vaccination requirements at indoor portions of bars, wineries, distilleries, nightclubs and lounges.

abc7.com

Number of people I guess including some HS or club coaches are losing jobs besides just medical professionals. Long time manager at a place where one of our young adults works was put on leave yesterday and was not allowed to enter the facility. Getting real...

Fully vaccinated, or proof of negative test, and.....masked.. Science.

Always makes me laught when they say proof of negative test 72 hrs prior. I suppose they could be more sciency and demand proof of isolation as well.

 

[what-happened]

Another alternative is that he is a Gender Studies instructor at the local JC.

Ha - brilliant! I'm going to share some of his eloquent prose with a shrink buddy of mine and see if he can profile it. You just made my day...

 

[dad4]

100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.

A better description is that adults, right and left, have successfully opposed most adult mandates.

And, when there is a mandate on adults, they complain LOUDLY. The mandate gets weakened or repealed and the kid mandate is what remains.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Deaths per capita and cases per capita are the only meaningful way to compare different areas. Throw in population density and it becomes more meaningful. Do the research and look at North Dakota.

Meaningful for whom and why?

 

[watfly]

A better description is that adults, right and left, have successfully opposed most adult mandates.

And, when there is a mandate on adults, they complain LOUDLY. The mandate gets weakened or repealed and the kid mandate is what remains.

You may be right to some extent, but that doesn't make it right to put these burdens on kids because they can't fight back. It's abuse of kids and its abuse of power. I just can't rationalize it like you do. I'm kind of meh with many of the adult mandates, but when you lose your job because you won't subject yourself to medical treatment that the government has decided is the preferred treatment despite the fact there are alternatives that may actually be superior. That is incredibly troubling.

 

[Grace T.]

A better description is that adults, right and left, have successfully opposed most adult mandates.

And, when there is a mandate on adults, they complain LOUDLY. The mandate gets weakened or repealed and the kid mandate is what remains.

The US is one of the few countries mandating masks on the very young. Many European countries have decided that vaccination should not be required for the very young. Most of Europe had schools open when the US had them closed. So something is very different from the way the US handled children than from how Europe did.

 

[watfly]

Deaths per capita and cases per capita are the only meaningful way to compare different areas. Throw in population density and it becomes more meaningful. Do the research and look at North Dakota.

While I agree that's a more appropriate standard its a fools errand to compare states and countries. For every North Dakota, I can raise you a Utah. There are far too many variables (and exceptions) at play to reliably attribute any causation to mandates. Culture has a far more dramatic effect.

 

[lafalafa]

So we have some friends with very young kids, 2 under the age of 5 and there concerned about the wearing masks requirements of them.

The concern is about them developing there own individual identity. With a mask covering large portions of their face they think that may influence them becoming more independent or not.

Very young kids look in the mirror and discover themselves as independent unique individuals. With the masks they have a harder time doing that and that can depersonalize them and make them feel more submissive or controlled.

Not here to debate about masks but if we had preschool age kids think I would try to find or do something for them that's different vs the status quo at least where we live in SoCal.

 

[Grace T.]

So we have some friends with very young kids, 2 under the age of 5 and there concerned about the wearing masks requirements of them.

The concern is about them developing there own individual identity. With a mask covering large portions of their face they think that may influence them becoming more independent or not.

Very young kids look in the mirror and discover themselves as independent unique individuals. With the masks they have a harder time doing that and that can depersonalize them and make them more submissive.

Not here to debate about masks but if we had preschool age kids think I would try to find or do something for them that's different vs the status quo at least where we live in SoCal.

The other big issue with that age group has been kids with conditions such as ADHD or autism, or kids that have learning needs such as slow speech and slow readers (which learn through observing faces of the teacher and other stuff), or (obviously) the deaf (for which this entire thing has been an absolute nightmare).

On the other hand, if I had a child with Downs, I wouldn't be comfortable sending them into the group care environment right now, even if everyone were mandated to wear N95 masks.

The stupid thing for this age group is that because of the choking concern, many jurisdictions prohibit the masks while napping (and of course they all nap together)...which makes a lot of this just security theatre.