Vaccine

Grace T. said:
I'm assuming that's the religious exception, which is narrow.

LAUSD sports/extracurricular mandate kicks in next week. We'll get our first taste of how this is going to go.
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I mean wouldn't they have said "religious belief" like they did in the sentence right before that one? I'd like to get that verified before jumping to any conclusions.

I think this is a great approach though. Kids who are vaccinated go through less at school when a close contact is discovered. That alone is worth getting the youngers vaccinated. People who are willing to deal with quarantine (modified or full) then fine...do that.
 
what-happened said:
You live in one of the healthiest counties in the country, great access to health care, ranking at the top of nearly every positive public health indicator imaginable. Culturally you will do what you are told. It's not suprising that outcomes in the county are so great. This isn' a dig, it's your reality. It's not most people's reality.

Your county also will see an increase in breakthrough infections, it's inevitable. The increases in breakthrough infections (at least in AZ) are profound. No doubt that vaccines work but will behaviours change over time or will they stay the same amongst the most compliant. People are still going to get sick.
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Shocking isn’t it? The evolutionary process continues.
 
NorCalDad said:
I mean wouldn't they have said "religious belief" like they did in the sentence right before that one? I'd like to get that verified before jumping to any conclusions.

I think this is a great approach though. Kids who are vaccinated go through less at school when a close contact is discovered. That alone is worth getting the youngers vaccinated. People who are willing to deal with quarantine (modified or full) then fine...do that.
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They tend to use personal belief to expand those without an organized religion due to recent court rulings on the subject. But you are right, we don't know how large the personal belief exemption is. I don't, however, think it will be "I voted for Donald Trump and think vaccines are a hoax" will be good enough. It generally needs to be documented.

p.s. another devil in the details: the Feinstein natural immunity to the airline ban exception only recognizes natural immunity for 3 months in its current form....which is silly since the emerging consensus is that natural immunity is at least as robust and long as vaccine immunity.
 
what-happened said:
An emerging issue is the continued finacial burden of those with breakthrough cases.. Those like DAD that can hang from home can be sanctimonious.

Vaccines were sold as the silver freedom bullet, back to normal, back to work. Companies/small businesses are still sending employees home and mandating 10-14 day quanrantines, many without pay. Unfortunately life for most isn't as neat and tidy as DAD portrays or lives. Imagine having to forgoe Birthday Parties and sleepovers...how brave.
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We have the same mandatory quarantines, also often without pay.

They just kick in less often because we have fewer cases. Part of the parallel universe thing.
 
Desert Hound said:
People walking on trails wearing masks.

Why exactly?

I know a lot of people are not terribly bright. And when I see them walking outside with a mask, it lets the rest of us know the elevator does not go to the top.
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Your state has 2750 covid deaths per million residents. My county has about 970.

I agree that some people are having trouble understanding how respiratory disease spreads. But maybe you should be looking a little closer to home to figure it out.

You know, maybe get your own house in order before you start telling the rest of us how it’s done.
 
dad4 said:
Your state has 2750 covid deaths per million residents. My county has about 970.

I agree that some people are having trouble understanding how respiratory disease spreads. But maybe you should be looking a little closer to home to figure it out.

You know, maybe get your own house in order before you start telling the rest of us how it’s done.
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If y'all are cancelling kids birthday parties, hiking with mask outdoors, going in N95s to supermarkets and not letting your kids go to sleepovers, not sure you guys should be in a position to lecture anyone either.
 
Grace T. said:
If y'all are cancelling kids birthday parties, hiking with mask outdoors, going in N95s to supermarkets and not letting your kids go to sleepovers, not sure you guys should be in a position to lecture anyone either.
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It’s not about the lecture. It’s about being able to look around and take in information from the world around you.

Singapore’s plan worked. Santa Clara’s plan sort of worked. Alabama’s plan did not work.

So, if everyone in Singapore is wearing an N95 to the market, and they have very low hospitalizations and deaths, then maybe they know something you don’t.

More dried seaweed?
 
dad4 said:
Your state has 2750 covid deaths per million residents. My county has about 970.

I agree that some people are having trouble understanding how respiratory disease spreads. But maybe you should be looking a little closer to home to figure it out.

You know, maybe get your own house in order before you start telling the rest of us how it’s done.
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Again as has been pointed out, you cannot explain why deaths vary. CA has deaths per million similar to other states. And yet some states have more deaths per million, some are about the same, and others less.

You continue to ignore that because you really cannot explain it because it goes against your theory on the virus. The reality is different states have different types of populations. AZ for instance has had rather high deaths on our Indian reservations.

Now tell me why someone hiking on a trail should be wearing a mask? Further as you state they probably are vaxxed in your area. What exactly would be the rationale? You said your area has roughly 90% vaxx rate.
 
dad4 said:
It’s not about the lecture. It’s about being able to look around and take in information from the world around you.

Singapore’s plan worked. Santa Clara’s plan sort of worked. Alabama’s plan did not work.

So, if everyone in Singapore is wearing an N95 to the market, and they have very low hospitalizations and deaths, then maybe they know something you don’t.

More dried seaweed?
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It's almost as if you are saying that stopping COVID is the most important thing ever, even at the cost of robbing kids of their childhoods with their sleepovers and birthday parties, or at the cost of people's livelihoods, or at the cost of Australia and her liberties. You've always said a cost/benefit analysis discussion needs to be had, but then always refuse to actually do it.

Tell me how Singapore's plan is working again?

www.worldometers.info

Singapore COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Singapore Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
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gizmodo.com

Singapore Gives Up Goal of Covid-Zero Despite High Vaccination Rate

The country had fewer than 30 cases of covid-19 per day until recently.
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gizmodo.com

Singapore Gives Up Goal of Covid-Zero Despite High Vaccination Rate

The country had fewer than 30 cases of covid-19 per day until recently.
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what-happened said:
Pretty soon it will be the pandemic of the "unboostered". Then what.
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The myopic don't realize the "just do this and it's over" is an infinity mirror configuration where they can only see the mirrors they create. The first mirror was a two-week lockdown, the next was wearing a mask, then it was the vaccine, currently, it's vaccine and mask, as you point out @what-happened, the next mirror will add a booster to that. Maybe the next one will be booster + N95s. Fortunately, as Californians, we should have an inside track as I hear that Newsome has a guy in China that gave him a great deal on masks earlier in the pandemic.
 
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