what-happened
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Yep, the side that supports demographic appropriate vaccination, disease treatment, sensible mitigation measures, and government skepticism.
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@Bruddah IZ and @Grace T. and @anyonelse who is reading along; Listen and read this song in your heart and go live & love life. The truth hurts only our ego. Let go of your ego ((I call my ego Karl)), forgive him for he no not what he does. After reconciliation, allow your Karl to come along to the new earth, where pride and ego is put aside. Just a blissful of Love beams from the Creator of Love, which is why we have Light and Shadow in the first place. They go together. It's time to take your game HIGHER! It's time for the truth to reveal the truth 
Bruddah IZ
DA
Lol! Substance and originality? You mean for the unoriginal, unsubstantive post above?
Halloween is a go but not Thanksgiving or Christmas. Let's see if spooky doo day is ok for all to celebrate with masks and all the monsters. Anyway, let's see what are pals over at CDC have to say about the holidays.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unveiled its latest guidance for safely celebrating the upcoming holiday season on Saturday.
The agency suggests, among other considerations, that families hold virtual holiday celebrations or have socially distanced celebrations outdoors with neighbors and friends. ((zoom holiday coming right up))
The CDC also recommended the idea of using a window fan to keep the air at an indoor party as fresh as possible. ((Is this a joke?))
"If celebrating indoors, bring in fresh air by opening windows and doors, if possible. You can use a window fan in one of the open windows to blow air out of the window. This will pull fresh air in through the other open windows," the CDC said. ((Seriously, is this some sort of joke?))
Mask-wearing indoors is still recommended for unvaccinated people, along with wearing masks outdoors in crowded settings. Fully vaccinated people are recommended to wear masks in areas with substantial COVID-19 transmission. ((??????))
The CDC is also encouraging people to hold off on holiday travel until they’re fully vaccinated, but if unvaccinated people have to travel—including children who so far aren’t eligible for the shot—the CDC has suggestions for safer travel like making short trips by car and taking flights with fewer stops or layovers. ((did dad4 take over the CDC?))
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unveiled its latest guidance for safely celebrating the upcoming holiday season on Saturday.
The agency suggests, among other considerations, that families hold virtual holiday celebrations or have socially distanced celebrations outdoors with neighbors and friends. ((zoom holiday coming right up))
The CDC also recommended the idea of using a window fan to keep the air at an indoor party as fresh as possible. ((Is this a joke?))
"If celebrating indoors, bring in fresh air by opening windows and doors, if possible. You can use a window fan in one of the open windows to blow air out of the window. This will pull fresh air in through the other open windows," the CDC said. ((Seriously, is this some sort of joke?))
Mask-wearing indoors is still recommended for unvaccinated people, along with wearing masks outdoors in crowded settings. Fully vaccinated people are recommended to wear masks in areas with substantial COVID-19 transmission. ((??????))
The CDC is also encouraging people to hold off on holiday travel until they’re fully vaccinated, but if unvaccinated people have to travel—including children who so far aren’t eligible for the shot—the CDC has suggestions for safer travel like making short trips by car and taking flights with fewer stops or layovers. ((did dad4 take over the CDC?))
Desert Hound
DA
Another country starting to realize they went down the wrong path. Reality strikes again. The only things there were successful at were
- taking away freedoms
- killing the economy
- decimating biz and individual incomes
Some on the forum from up around the bay area would call that a success!!
New Zealand is ending its effort to keep Covid-19 out of the remote South Pacific country as the economic costs mount and after its latest lockdown failed to halt the spread of the virus.
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But its strategy has become increasingly untenable as the more contagious Delta variant of the virus has become endemic in other countries, which are increasingly reopening, including neighbor Australia, which plans to restart international travel in November. Former New Zealand Prime Minister John Key recently said the country had become a “smug hermit kingdom.”
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They still have a way to go before they end the madness. Note what they are going to "allow".
The first reopening step for Auckland, which is home to about 1.5 million people, will be effective Wednesday and allow two households to meet outdoors, up to a maximum of 10 people, and permit recreational activities such as going to the beach or hunting.
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New Zealand’s economy is likely to contract by 7.0% in the three months through September compared with the previous quarter, reflecting the impact of the Auckland lockdown, said Jarrod Kerr, chief economist at Kiwibank.
According to forecasts by New Zealand’s Treasury, government debt will more than double from pre-pandemic levels due to the costs of the lockdown strategy
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Industries such as tourism and hospitality have shriveled
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“I think it is finally a realization that the elimination strategy and the modeling that justified it must be abandoned in this country,”
www.wsj.com
- taking away freedoms
- killing the economy
- decimating biz and individual incomes
Some on the forum from up around the bay area would call that a success!!
New Zealand is ending its effort to keep Covid-19 out of the remote South Pacific country as the economic costs mount and after its latest lockdown failed to halt the spread of the virus.
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But its strategy has become increasingly untenable as the more contagious Delta variant of the virus has become endemic in other countries, which are increasingly reopening, including neighbor Australia, which plans to restart international travel in November. Former New Zealand Prime Minister John Key recently said the country had become a “smug hermit kingdom.”
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They still have a way to go before they end the madness. Note what they are going to "allow".
The first reopening step for Auckland, which is home to about 1.5 million people, will be effective Wednesday and allow two households to meet outdoors, up to a maximum of 10 people, and permit recreational activities such as going to the beach or hunting.
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New Zealand’s economy is likely to contract by 7.0% in the three months through September compared with the previous quarter, reflecting the impact of the Auckland lockdown, said Jarrod Kerr, chief economist at Kiwibank.
According to forecasts by New Zealand’s Treasury, government debt will more than double from pre-pandemic levels due to the costs of the lockdown strategy
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Industries such as tourism and hospitality have shriveled
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“I think it is finally a realization that the elimination strategy and the modeling that justified it must be abandoned in this country,”
New Zealand to End ‘Zero Covid-19’ Strategy
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says the government is aiming to “actively control the virus” as it prepares to ease restrictions.
www.wsj.com
On a side soccer note, I owe @Desert Hound TWO COLD BEERS. His dd team won yesterday's big game and bet. I will honor my loss the next time I see you. Sorry to miss out on the game. Are you ok with a double or nothing next game in AZ?
Desert Hound
DA
Sure. I would prefer to have 4 cold beers.
GoldenGate
GOLD
OMG, have all of you seen the Reddit thread? https://www.reddit.com/t/herman_cain/
I know, I mean knew, one of last week's "Herman Cain Award" winners. He literally got Covid attending an anti-mask anti-vax convention (this one: https://www.kcm.org/watch/event/2021-southwest-believers-convention-flashpoint-live-530-pm-ct-0), then spent over a month in the ICU until he expired. Maybe KCM will pay the family's bills instead of just dropping a few bucks into the Go Fund Me and promising to organize all the "prayer warriors" who clearly did not pray enough to save daddy. But I bet KCM is "sorry not sorry" that it is killing people, because it's hard to dupe people to send you money if you don't have some urgent conspiracy theory for them to believe. It is the very foundation of the prosperity gospel.
I know, I mean knew, one of last week's "Herman Cain Award" winners. He literally got Covid attending an anti-mask anti-vax convention (this one: https://www.kcm.org/watch/event/2021-southwest-believers-convention-flashpoint-live-530-pm-ct-0), then spent over a month in the ICU until he expired. Maybe KCM will pay the family's bills instead of just dropping a few bucks into the Go Fund Me and promising to organize all the "prayer warriors" who clearly did not pray enough to save daddy. But I bet KCM is "sorry not sorry" that it is killing people, because it's hard to dupe people to send you money if you don't have some urgent conspiracy theory for them to believe. It is the very foundation of the prosperity gospel.
WHO let you out of your gage GG? Sendmego right now and i will go for you
Buy me a cup of coffee or better yet, Helppaymybills.love bro. I will PM you all my channels so you can help Crush stay live 24/7, 365 days. Say hi to your pay pals Espola and Husker Du.Another country starting to realize they went down the wrong path. Reality strikes again. The only things there were successful at were
- taking away freedoms
- killing the economy
- decimating biz and individual incomes
Some on the forum from up around the bay area would call that a success!!
New Zealand is ending its effort to keep Covid-19 out of the remote South Pacific country as the economic costs mount and after its latest lockdown failed to halt the spread of the virus.
--
But its strategy has become increasingly untenable as the more contagious Delta variant of the virus has become endemic in other countries, which are increasingly reopening, including neighbor Australia, which plans to restart international travel in November. Former New Zealand Prime Minister John Key recently said the country had become a “smug hermit kingdom.”
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They still have a way to go before they end the madness. Note what they are going to "allow".
The first reopening step for Auckland, which is home to about 1.5 million people, will be effective Wednesday and allow two households to meet outdoors, up to a maximum of 10 people, and permit recreational activities such as going to the beach or hunting.
--
New Zealand’s economy is likely to contract by 7.0% in the three months through September compared with the previous quarter, reflecting the impact of the Auckland lockdown, said Jarrod Kerr, chief economist at Kiwibank.
According to forecasts by New Zealand’s Treasury, government debt will more than double from pre-pandemic levels due to the costs of the lockdown strategy
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Industries such as tourism and hospitality have shriveled
--
“I think it is finally a realization that the elimination strategy and the modeling that justified it must be abandoned in this country,”
New Zealand to End ‘Zero Covid-19’ Strategy
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says the government is aiming to “actively control the virus” as it prepares to ease restrictions.
Yeah it looks like containment in New Zealand has failed. Auckland has been sealed off from the rest of the country but now they are getting outbreaks outside of Auckland and they unlike the past haven't been able to tap down cases to zero.
New Zealand COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
New Zealand Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Meanwhile looks like I was wrong about Australia hitting peak....
Australia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Australia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
And masked and vaxxed Singapore (dad4's new favorite) keeps going up.
Singapore COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Singapore Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Fauci still wants zero covid
Meanwhile even my morning radio show (which for the most part tries to avoid politics) was tearing into Fauci over the maybe no Christmas suggestion.
nypost.com
Meanwhile even my morning radio show (which for the most part tries to avoid politics) was tearing into Fauci over the maybe no Christmas suggestion.
Fauci slammed for claiming ‘too soon’ to consider COVID and Christmas gatherings
Dr. Anthony Fauci is facing backlash after he insisted that it was “too soon” to tell whether the COVID-19 pandemic would disrupt this year’s Christmas holiday gatherings.
nypost.com
Desert Hound
DA
Here is Fauci this weekend and he isn't sure Xmas will be safe.
And yet we have had arenas and stadiums full of people now for months without becoming as they say super spreader events.
And despite that...he wonders if families getting together for Xmas will be OK
And here apparently pushing zero covid. Note he is unhappy if the outcome is not sick enough to need medical help. That is a zero covid mindset.
Now other countries are starting to deal with reality and moving on. At what point will the US do the same?
Meanwhile, in less insane countries with a more competent managerial class, they're ending all covid restrictions and mandates. All of them.
Norway and Indonesia have declared that covid is not a pandemic any longer, it is endemic, like the flu, and it will be with us forever, so we cannot continue pretending these "emergency temporary lockdowns" are being made on an emergency temporary basis: lockdowns against a virus that is now with us forever like the flu would be routine and permanent.
And Norway and Indonesia said, "No."
The governments were also very mature and honest about covid: they said that they knew, for a fact, that there would be greater outbreaks caused by their ending of restrictions and lockdowns. Indonesia said there could be an outbreak three times as large as the one they're dealing with now, and they're in the midst of a major outbreak.
They advised citizens to keep that in mind and make sound judgments and take personal responsibility for protecting themselves.
And then they declared an end to lockdowns.
And yet we have had arenas and stadiums full of people now for months without becoming as they say super spreader events.
And despite that...he wonders if families getting together for Xmas will be OK
And here apparently pushing zero covid. Note he is unhappy if the outcome is not sick enough to need medical help. That is a zero covid mindset.
Now other countries are starting to deal with reality and moving on. At what point will the US do the same?
Meanwhile, in less insane countries with a more competent managerial class, they're ending all covid restrictions and mandates. All of them.
Norway and Indonesia have declared that covid is not a pandemic any longer, it is endemic, like the flu, and it will be with us forever, so we cannot continue pretending these "emergency temporary lockdowns" are being made on an emergency temporary basis: lockdowns against a virus that is now with us forever like the flu would be routine and permanent.
And Norway and Indonesia said, "No."
The governments were also very mature and honest about covid: they said that they knew, for a fact, that there would be greater outbreaks caused by their ending of restrictions and lockdowns. Indonesia said there could be an outbreak three times as large as the one they're dealing with now, and they're in the midst of a major outbreak.
They advised citizens to keep that in mind and make sound judgments and take personal responsibility for protecting themselves.
And then they declared an end to lockdowns.
Bruddah IZ
DA
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GoldenGate
GOLD
It's "too soon" to say whether we'll be able to gather at Christmas, Dr. Fauci is now telling us. Well, we didn't listen to him last year and I have no intention of listening to him now.
But:
Wouldn't it be nice to have a news media that challenged these clowns once in a while?
For example, Fauci should have to explain this chart:
This graph traces COVID hospitalizations in the Midwest over time. Here's why it matters to the "maybe you can't have Christmas" insanity: the hospitalization peak occurs right around Thanksgiving, before the alleged effects of Thanksgiving gatherings would have had time to take effect. And then, instead of spiking in the wake of those gatherings, the numbers plummet -- and continue to plummet consistently and without interruption all throughout Christmas, as if that holiday hadn't even occurred.
Would Dr. Fauci care to explain to us how, if his advice is sound, such a thing could have occurred?
Good thing for him no one is going to ask him, because what could he possibly say?
Speaking of bad Fauci predictions, he said "I don't think it's smart" for college football to be played before full stadiums. After saying that, COVID numbers in the South, where these games are being played regularly, began to plummet. As you can see below, they began to plummet almost immediately after Fauci warned them not to do it.
In a weird way you almost have to be impressed by someone who can be so precise in his wrongness:
Meanwhile, courtesy of worldometers -dot- info, let's check back in with Florida. The drop in COVID deaths there has been extremely sudden and sharp, even though the general public has not modified its behavior at all. (I live here, so I know.)
The chart says it all:
As a friend of mine puts it, thank goodness we can be sure the media will get right to the bottom of this!
Florida changed how it reports Covid deaths so that they are now reports based on the date of death, not the date of the report. This particular website allows states to report based on the deaths reported on a single day, or based on the deaths when they occurred. Because FL is going with the latter, this allows it to keep all of its recent Covid deaths "off the books" for weeks and give the falso impression to weak-minded fools like yourself that the death rate has gone to almost zero. But when you check back in two weeks later, that 17 days average over the last 7 days will look more like 200-300.
If you look at the correct reporting like virtually every other state, you see that the number is in the 250 range over a 7 day moving average right now.
Florida Coronavirus Map and Case Count
See the latest charts and maps of coronavirus cases, deaths, hospitalizations and vaccinations in Florida.
www.nytimes.com
Are you intentionally misleading people, or are you this stupid?
He's now forced to walk it back.
I must have missed something -- what is he walking back?
Desert Hound
DA
No no no no. Let me splain it to you EOTL. Dr. Fraud is saying if you got Vaxxed twice with a third booster, you can have a normal Xmas without Christ because no liar can be with Christ. It's like water & oil mixed with dead birds. If you are not jabbed with the mark of the beast ((Just like Grandpa Gates BG almost pulled off)) then you can;t have Christmas with family and if you do, you need to bring a fan and open window to blow the Divoc 19 out the window. The CDC boss lady says the vax can spread virus too so I all confused. The Cargo ships are not moving and 1000s are sitting out in the see. You sea, my buddie Eddie was out jet skiing this morning and he says he's never scene a seen like it befour. Big old fat Cargo ships. Plus, he can't go up to HB because someone decided to spill some oil. Fake Book is down now as is Instagram. Both of these platforms are not good for adults or the kids. Stocks??? Bitcoin?? Grab & Go is going to be, Share & Stay
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Dark humor in the "nobody changed behavior but it went away anyway" quote. Like sitting beside a campfire being lazy, doing nothing and going "Hey, anybody got any ideas why its not burning anymore". But check out the change in peak to base ratio you get going from a ~R2 virus to a ~R6 virus. So, yes, the chart says it all.
let's check back in with Florida. The drop in COVID deaths there has been extremely sudden and sharp, even though the general public has not modified its behavior at all. (I live here, so I know.)
The chart says it all: