Vaccine

[Grace T.]

Federalist is a humor magazine, not a medical journal.

Explain your concept of "seasonality" in light of the fact that the biggest surge occurred in the Summer.

They are talking outlooks towards death, not medicine. A more proper critique would have been to criticize for not being a psychological journal, but as usual you miss the mark.

It's apparent at this point that seasonality is just one of several factors at stake. More infectious Delta--> bigger surges. But with the prime in 2020, there just simply wasn't a reason to be concerned in the northern and central states. They were placed in a lockdown at the wrong time, and by the time a lockdown was needed in winter, people were too exhausted. There was a study on the lockdowns to this effect I posted a while back.

 

[Grace T.]

This is another key mistake they made (neglecting natural immunity) and they've painted themselves into a political corner as a result and also shattered their credibility. The mandate fights wouldn't have been as problematic if they had even made an attempt to recognize it.

Why "Natural Immunity" Is a Political Problem for the Regime | Mises Institute

When asked, "'I’ve recovered from covid, is it absolutely essential that I get vaccinated?' many public health officials have put aside the data and responded

mises.org

 

[Kicker4Life]

The only fearmongering I have seen is from the antivax crowd.

Right! So when Biden said Covid has killed more kids under 17 than the regular Flu….was he just trying to uplift everyone?

 

[watfly]

I will just put this here.

These are the same people advocating policies, etc.

Pregnant people?

We live in an age of idiots.

CDC urges pregnant people to get vaccinated against COVID-19 - UPI.com

Fewer than one-third of pregnant people in the United States are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to data released Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.upi.com

I have a really hard time understanding the math on this one. It may turn out to be perfectly safe for pregnant birthing people, but lets not pretend we know its safe at this point.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Name a vaccine that is 100% effective.

What effect are you talking about?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

You apparently have little idea how a vaccine works.

By fear mostly.

 

[what-happened]

There is significant evidence that, aside from vaccines, the US approach has done considerably worse than most countries.

If you can't admit that much, you're in one heck of an information bubble.

Sure, and you can also say that our population and health has a lot to do with it. We have a large elderly and overweight population. To dismiss that outright especially the overweight piece, is irresponsible. We are the 12 fattest (I think) in the world, behind a lot of Island nations. But we aren't mandating 8 oz cups at Micky Ds - that's a personal decision.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

There is significant evidence that, aside from vaccines, the US approach has done considerably worse than most countries.

If you can't admit that much, you're in one heck of an information bubble.

What is the evidence that the United States has done considerably worse? Maybe you were thinking Australia?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I posted this in the good news thread Monday --

A pill to treat Covid-19: 'We're talking about a return to, maybe, normal life' | CNN

Antivirals are already essential treatments for other viral infections, including hepatitis C and HIV. One of the best known is Tamiflu, the widely prescribed pill that can shorten the duration of influenza and reduce the risk of hospitalization if given quickly.

www.cnn.com

Little late jumping on the therapy wagon aren’t you? Docspola?

 

[espola]

They are talking outlooks towards death, not medicine. A more proper critique would have been to criticize for not being a psychological journal, but as usual you miss the mark.

It's apparent at this point that seasonality is just one of several factors at stake. More infectious Delta--> bigger surges. But with the prime in 2020, there just simply wasn't a reason to be concerned in the northern and central states. They were placed in a lockdown at the wrong time, and by the time a lockdown was needed in winter, people were too exhausted. There was a study on the lockdowns to this effect I posted a while back.

Despite your trivialities, it's still a humor magazine. Based on their commercial success, they know their audience well.

 

[watfly]

There is significant evidence that, aside from vaccines, the US approach has done considerably worse than most countries.

If you can't admit that much, you're in one heck of an information bubble.

The only way to try and prove your point is to cherry pick countries. There are just too many variables to claim any material causal link between restrictions and Covid results. I'm not proposing that we should have done nothing, but the difference between doing something and blanket shutdowns is immaterial at best, particularly given the nature of our country considering, among other things, our Constitution and thousands of miles of open borders and airports.

I'm also not suggesting that lockdowns don't have the ability to limit transmission, but they clearly don't provide enough benefit, given the cost, to justify their implementation.

 

[Grace T.]

There is significant evidence that, aside from vaccines, the US approach has done considerably worse than most countries.

If you can't admit that much, you're in one heck of an information bubble.

"considerably worse". Depends what you mean by that. If you are talking deaths per million, the US in par with the UK, doing worse than Russia (where most of the population is suspicious of the vaccines) and your favorite Sweden, significantly worse than worse in the world Peru (despite its lockdowns and masks) and Argentina (perpetual lockdowns), and behind Hungary, Czechia, Belgium, Italy, and Croatia. If we hadn't had the early disaster with the nursing homes in New York and New Jersey, we would be on par with France and Spain.

 

[Grace T.]

Despite your trivialities,

I swear sometimes I really think crush is right and you do it deliberately just to amuse us (and yourself). "despite your trivialities" says the king of the trivialities that likes to latch on to errant bones.

 

[watfly]

"considerably worse". Depends what you mean by that. If you are talking deaths per million, the US in par with the UK, doing worse than Russia (where most of the population is suspicious of the vaccines) and your favorite Sweden, significantly worse than worse in the world Peru (despite its lockdowns and masks) and Argentina (perpetual lockdowns), and behind Hungary, Czechia, Belgium, Italy, and Croatia. If we hadn't had the early disaster with the nursing homes in New York and New Jersey, we would be on par with France and Spain.

Here is some cherry picking for you. Tanzania has the lowest deaths per million of any country.

"However, unlike many successful countries, Tanzania did not implement a lockdown, since the government suggested it would restrict public access to health services – especially for patients with chronic conditions like tuberculosis and HIV, which are both prevalent diseases in the country."

Tanzania is no more proof that lockdowns don't work than a country that had strict lockdowns with low deaths is proof that lockdowns work. In the spirit of full disclosure Tanzania did implement social distancing and mandatory mask mandates early in the pandemic starting in February 2020.

 

[N00B]

What did I get wrong?

The disease is the result of the virus. You should have said ‘have the virus in you’, not the ‘disease’.

 

[Grace T.]

Here is some cherry picking for you. Tanzania has the lowest deaths per million of any country.

"However, unlike many successful countries, Tanzania did not implement a lockdown, since the government suggested it would restrict public access to health services – especially for patients with chronic conditions like tuberculosis and HIV, which are both prevalent diseases in the country."

Tanzania is no more proof that lockdowns don't work than a country that had strict lockdowns with low deaths is proof that lockdowns work. In the spirit of full disclosure Tanzania did implement social distancing and mandatory mask mandates early in the pandemic starting in February 2020.

the other thing affecting the stats is how they count. We know, for example, that Russia (which has very limited mask compliance and high vaccine hesistancy) undercounts. We know the US and UK have issues with overcounts from dying "with COVID" instead of "from COVID", though we don't know how much, but the Utah and child audits suggest it could be as much as by 1/2. Germany, Spain and France are all much more restrictive in their COVID counts, which would explain Spain doing as well as it does relative to others despite suffering from multiple waves, much more so than other countries. Italy is artificially inflated due to the triage they had to do early in the pandemic and lack of testing. Czechia remember was the poster boy for "doing everything right" and then imploded with multiple winter waves that overwhelmed their hospital systems and had people die due to lack of capacity.

 

[N00B]

The disease is the result of the virus. You should have said ‘have the virus in you’, not the ‘disease’.

 

[watfly]

the other thing affecting the stats is how they count. We know, for example, that Russia (which has very limited mask compliance and high vaccine hesistancy) undercounts. We know the US and UK have issues with overcounts from dying "with COVID" instead of "from COVID", though we don't know how much, but the Utah and child audits suggest it could be as much as by 1/2. Germany, Spain and France are all much more restrictive in their COVID counts, which would explain Spain doing as well as it does relative to others despite suffering from multiple waves, much more so than other countries. Italy is artificially inflated due to the triage they had to do early in the pandemic and lack of testing. Czechia remember was the poster boy for "doing everything right" and then imploded with multiple winter waves that overwhelmed their hospital systems and had people die due to lack of capacity.

So are you saying you trust China's numbers?

 

[Desert Hound]

So are you saying you trust China's numbers?

Seems legit that their official number is 4600 deaths right?

On a side note some other numbers to ponder.

The official worldwide death count is 4.8 million.

The US count is 700k.

Do we really believe that the US constitutes 14.5% of all deaths worldwide? When we constitute about 4.3% of the world population? And we have one of the top healthcare systems in the world?

Either we are dramatically OVERCOUNTING deaths, or the rest of the world is severely UNDERCOUNTING deaths. Or a combo thereof.

 

[dad4]

the other thing affecting the stats is how they count. We know, for example, that Russia (which has very limited mask compliance and high vaccine hesistancy) undercounts. We know the US and UK have issues with overcounts from dying "with COVID" instead of "from COVID", though we don't know how much, but the Utah and child audits suggest it could be as much as by 1/2. Germany, Spain and France are all much more restrictive in their COVID counts, which would explain Spain doing as well as it does relative to others despite suffering from multiple waves, much more so than other countries. Italy is artificially inflated due to the triage they had to do early in the pandemic and lack of testing. Czechia remember was the poster boy for "doing everything right" and then imploded with multiple winter waves that overwhelmed their hospital systems and had people die due to lack of capacity.

And your explanation for why we have 10-100 times as many covid deaths per capita as East Asian countries like Singapore, South Korea, and Japan?

I know. Prime covid was impossible to contain….. except for those countries that contained it.

Or maybe you’ll say that moderate trouble with delta is proof that massive deaths from prime could not have been avoided.