You apparently have little idea how a vaccine works.
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You apparently have little idea how a vaccine works.
A new study out on the transmissibility of breakthrough infections. As usual with COVID, a little for everyone to hate and won't swing the debate fully between mandates or not (sigh)
Some talking points:
-The vaccines are less effective at stopping the transmissibility of the Delta than previous variants (but we pretty much knew that already)
-The drop off effects are more severe in the elderly (which is why they are talking boosters)
-The vaccinated transmit the virus on less than the unvaccinated with naive (i.e. no prior infection) infections. This is due to: a) they are just simply less likely to catch it, b) they are sick for shorter periods, and c) they have smaller viral loads on average.
-But against the Delta the vaccinated can still transmit it on (and they leave open the question over whether the reduction is enough, as dad4 would put it, to make it all bloody over).
-Children are less likely to catch/transmit (in which case what are we, the US, doing in schools right now???)
The long and short of it is that this gives fuel for both sides of the vaccine mandate debate, without resolving it definitely one way or the other. On the one hand, there is substantial evidence that there is a public health benefit to vaccination even if they don't stop transmissions, because there is a substantial reduction in transmissions. On the other hand, even with vaccination you can still transmit on the virus and it is insufficiently clear if vaccination (given the waning immunity they also confirmed) is enough to end the pandemic. The matter is even more complicated for children, which we've seen from elsewhere have little risk and now seem to already transmit at a lower rate.
www.medrxiv.org
Some talking points:
-The vaccines are less effective at stopping the transmissibility of the Delta than previous variants (but we pretty much knew that already)
-The drop off effects are more severe in the elderly (which is why they are talking boosters)
-The vaccinated transmit the virus on less than the unvaccinated with naive (i.e. no prior infection) infections. This is due to: a) they are just simply less likely to catch it, b) they are sick for shorter periods, and c) they have smaller viral loads on average.
-But against the Delta the vaccinated can still transmit it on (and they leave open the question over whether the reduction is enough, as dad4 would put it, to make it all bloody over).
-Children are less likely to catch/transmit (in which case what are we, the US, doing in schools right now???)
The long and short of it is that this gives fuel for both sides of the vaccine mandate debate, without resolving it definitely one way or the other. On the one hand, there is substantial evidence that there is a public health benefit to vaccination even if they don't stop transmissions, because there is a substantial reduction in transmissions. On the other hand, even with vaccination you can still transmit on the virus and it is insufficiently clear if vaccination (given the waning immunity they also confirmed) is enough to end the pandemic. The matter is even more complicated for children, which we've seen from elsewhere have little risk and now seem to already transmit at a lower rate.
The impact of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination on Alpha & Delta variant transmission
Background Pre-Delta, vaccination reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from individuals infected despite vaccination, potentially via reducing viral loads. While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta...
www.medrxiv.org
what-happened
GOLD
please explain.
Please name another vaccine that does not prevent the host from getting the illness and/or transmitting it to others……
I’ve never heard it called a Flu Vaccine, only a Flu Shot.Flu
p.s. IIRC rotavirus too.
The paper is pretty clear that vaccines reduce transmission by a significant margin. Cuts it by roughly 2/3 to 1/2.A new study out on the transmissibility of breakthrough infections. As usual with COVID, a little for everyone to hate and won't swing the debate fully between mandates or not (sigh)
Some talking points:
-The vaccines are less effective at stopping the transmissibility of the Delta than previous variants (but we pretty much knew that already)
-The drop off effects are more severe in the elderly (which is why they are talking boosters)
-The vaccinated transmit the virus on less than the unvaccinated with naive (i.e. no prior infection) infections. This is due to: a) they are just simply less likely to catch it, b) they are sick for shorter periods, and c) they have smaller viral loads on average.
-But against the Delta the vaccinated can still transmit it on (and they leave open the question over whether the reduction is enough, as dad4 would put it, to make it all bloody over).
-Children are less likely to catch/transmit (in which case what are we, the US, doing in schools right now???)
The long and short of it is that this gives fuel for both sides of the vaccine mandate debate, without resolving it definitely one way or the other. On the one hand, there is substantial evidence that there is a public health benefit to vaccination even if they don't stop transmissions, because there is a substantial reduction in transmissions. On the other hand, even with vaccination you can still transmit on the virus and it is insufficiently clear if vaccination (given the waning immunity they also confirmed) is enough to end the pandemic. The matter is even more complicated for children, which we've seen from elsewhere have little risk and now seem to already transmit at a lower rate.
The impact of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination on Alpha & Delta variant transmission
Background Pre-Delta, vaccination reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from individuals infected despite vaccination, potentially via reducing viral loads. While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta...
That's enough data to tell you roughly what you need for it to be over. Vax alone is not enough.
For what to be “over”? The Government overreach?
Vaccines can only work inside your body, so to be effective, you have to already have the disease in you. Start there.
Name a vaccine that is 100% effective.
Flu
p.s. IIRC rotavirus too.
More ignorance.
I mean a simple google search brought this informative link up:
Efficacy and effectiveness
An explanation of how the success of vaccines can be measured, including the duration of vaccine protection.
www.immune.org.nz
The proper name would be "inoculation", since the common word "vaccine" originally referred to substances obtained from infected cows. Latin for "cow" is "vacca".
The England/Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Japan route then....natural infection after vaccination? Seems like then we should be removing the last of the remaining restrictions then.
what-happened
GOLD
wait, whaaat??
Bruddah IZ
DA
Tyranny
Any vaccine works by strengthening your body's immune system so that it is better able to fight off the infection if you get it. Did you think perhaps that it wrapped your body in an invisible protective shield that the virus could not penetrate?
Strawman.
Bruddah IZ
DA
We already know the immune system is the crutch that vaccines rely on for their inflated efficacy.
Bruddah IZ
DA
You’re babbling.