Vaccine

dad4 said:
Honestly, we’d just like enough people to get vaccinated that this whole bloody thing goes away. That probably won’t happen.

I don’t care whether you individually refuse the shot. It only becomes a problem when so many people refuse the shot that you create a significant resevoir.
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Especially when we aren’t requiring immigrants to be vaccinated (legal or illegal that are released into the US). But god forbid if you worked in a hospital for 10 months during the peak of the pandemic (without a vaccine) but don’t want to get the shot….you get fired and withheld from Unemployment Benefits.

Talk about a violation of Constitutional Rights!

FYI - you can be Anti “Vaccine” Mandate without being Anti-“Vaccine”. Yes I use quotes because a vaccine prevents someone from getting or spreading the disease the vaccine is intended for. This “vaccine” does neither of those. But it does help combat the effects of the virus.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Especially when we aren’t requiring immigrants to be vaccinated (legal or illegal that are released into the US). But god forbid if you worked in a hospital for 10 months during the peak of the pandemic (without a vaccine) but don’t want to get the shot….you get fired and withheld from Unemployment Benefits.

Talk about a violation of Constitutional Rights!

FYI - you can be Anti “Vaccine” Mandate without being Anti-“Vaccine”. Yes I use quotes because a vaccine prevents someone from getting or spreading the disease the vaccine is intended for. This “vaccine” does neither of those. But it does help combat the effects of the virus.
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Or, no jab and you can't fly or no jab and cant play be recruited to be on the team at some Big U because it's mandated. Or, if you play HSS you can't play in our league but then others cheat and get waivers at the last hour, after my kid already made the hard decision before goal post were moved. Rules for thee and not for me sucks big time. We are now ALL being ripped off and lied to Kicker. A lie is a lie. BTW, it's double the ships now out in front of my beach and it's 100% to do with this vaccine BS and pandemic that is just the flu and cover from the 2020 election steal. If you go down deeper in the rabbit hole, you will find out that the Orange man is a good man and you will be the first to say you were wrong about him some day soon :) The true reason were all in this mess is because of the human trafficking element that no one on here wants to talk about. It's about saving all the kids from evil. T said his #1 mission of his administration was to bring THE FULL FORCE OF FIRE POWER ((The Military)) to bring down this evil family of 13 that kill and abuse children. What were all witnessing is WHO is bought and bribed and blackmailed and WHO is not. Once all the bank robbers, cheaters and liars are video tapped robbing the bank, then all the indictments will be unsealed and then real change will come. Hold the Line Kicker!!!

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Boggles the mind how many Earthlings remain blissfully unaware that this war has been raging behind the veil since 2016 and already won. Everything we are watching on MSM is intended to show you how bad it would have gotten if the patriots hadn't stepped up!
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Kicker4Life said:
Especially when we aren’t requiring immigrants to be vaccinated (legal or illegal that are released into the US). But god forbid if you worked in a hospital for 10 months during the peak of the pandemic (without a vaccine) but don’t want to get the shot….you get fired and withheld from Unemployment Benefits.

Talk about a violation of Constitutional Rights!

FYI - you can be Anti “Vaccine” Mandate without being Anti-“Vaccine”. Yes I use quotes because a vaccine prevents someone from getting or spreading the disease the vaccine is intended for. This “vaccine” does neither of those. But it does help combat the effects of the virus.
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It is 100% lunacy
 
Kicker4Life said:
Especially when we aren’t requiring immigrants to be vaccinated (legal or illegal that are released into the US). But god forbid if you worked in a hospital for 10 months during the peak of the pandemic (without a vaccine) but don’t want to get the shot….you get fired and withheld from Unemployment Benefits.

Talk about a violation of Constitutional Rights!

FYI - you can be Anti “Vaccine” Mandate without being Anti-“Vaccine”. Yes I use quotes because a vaccine prevents someone from getting or spreading the disease the vaccine is intended for. This “vaccine” does neither of those. But it does help combat the effects of the virus.
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You apparently have little idea how a vaccine works.
 
A new study out on the transmissibility of breakthrough infections. As usual with COVID, a little for everyone to hate and won't swing the debate fully between mandates or not (sigh)

Some talking points:
-The vaccines are less effective at stopping the transmissibility of the Delta than previous variants (but we pretty much knew that already)
-The drop off effects are more severe in the elderly (which is why they are talking boosters)
-The vaccinated transmit the virus on less than the unvaccinated with naive (i.e. no prior infection) infections. This is due to: a) they are just simply less likely to catch it, b) they are sick for shorter periods, and c) they have smaller viral loads on average.
-But against the Delta the vaccinated can still transmit it on (and they leave open the question over whether the reduction is enough, as dad4 would put it, to make it all bloody over).
-Children are less likely to catch/transmit (in which case what are we, the US, doing in schools right now???)

The long and short of it is that this gives fuel for both sides of the vaccine mandate debate, without resolving it definitely one way or the other. On the one hand, there is substantial evidence that there is a public health benefit to vaccination even if they don't stop transmissions, because there is a substantial reduction in transmissions. On the other hand, even with vaccination you can still transmit on the virus and it is insufficiently clear if vaccination (given the waning immunity they also confirmed) is enough to end the pandemic. The matter is even more complicated for children, which we've seen from elsewhere have little risk and now seem to already transmit at a lower rate.

www.medrxiv.org

The impact of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination on Alpha & Delta variant transmission

Background Pre-Delta, vaccination reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from individuals infected despite vaccination, potentially via reducing viral loads. While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
 
Grace T. said:
A new study out on the transmissibility of breakthrough infections. As usual with COVID, a little for everyone to hate and won't swing the debate fully between mandates or not (sigh)

Some talking points:
-The vaccines are less effective at stopping the transmissibility of the Delta than previous variants (but we pretty much knew that already)
-The drop off effects are more severe in the elderly (which is why they are talking boosters)
-The vaccinated transmit the virus on less than the unvaccinated with naive (i.e. no prior infection) infections. This is due to: a) they are just simply less likely to catch it, b) they are sick for shorter periods, and c) they have smaller viral loads on average.
-But against the Delta the vaccinated can still transmit it on (and they leave open the question over whether the reduction is enough, as dad4 would put it, to make it all bloody over).
-Children are less likely to catch/transmit (in which case what are we, the US, doing in schools right now???)

The long and short of it is that this gives fuel for both sides of the vaccine mandate debate, without resolving it definitely one way or the other. On the one hand, there is substantial evidence that there is a public health benefit to vaccination even if they don't stop transmissions, because there is a substantial reduction in transmissions. On the other hand, even with vaccination you can still transmit on the virus and it is insufficiently clear if vaccination (given the waning immunity they also confirmed) is enough to end the pandemic. The matter is even more complicated for children, which we've seen from elsewhere have little risk and now seem to already transmit at a lower rate.

www.medrxiv.org

The impact of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination on Alpha & Delta variant transmission

Background Pre-Delta, vaccination reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from individuals infected despite vaccination, potentially via reducing viral loads. While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
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The paper is pretty clear that vaccines reduce transmission by a significant margin. Cuts it by roughly 2/3 to 1/2.

That's enough data to tell you roughly what you need for it to be over. Vax alone is not enough.
 
dad4 said:
The paper is pretty clear that vaccines reduce transmission by a significant margin. Cuts it by roughly 2/3 to 1/2.

That's enough data to tell you roughly what you need for it to be over. Vax alone is not enough.
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The England/Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Japan route then....natural infection after vaccination? Seems like then we should be removing the last of the remaining restrictions then.
 
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