Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?

[crush]

Well, my dd is playing HHS for the fourth year in row and ain't no one going to tell her not to either. She had some top Docs tell her HSS is shit and dangerous and stay clear of hss. Her hss team is in the #1 league in the country, moo. Everyone and everyone who plays ECNL or GA will be playing HSS. Not all leagues are the same. I'm getting ready to watch our home opener against the power house JSierra. This is a Diana vs Goliatha type of game and we need miracle. Shall we park da bus and go for the tie? Kickball anyone? How about just play for fun and play the passing game and not worry about the "W." I will say I'm super duper looking forward to watching a match with a full house of students and family. Good luck to all the great high school matches tonight and this season. Play possession, pass it on P.S. If your a ref, please call quick fouls early on and please hand out yellow and reds. If my kid needs a card, give it to her. I'm really grateful to watch this last season. I'm not happy about being called up to Division 1 but oh well. Safety first refs!!!

 

[NoSouppForYou]

IT

MW just watched his ‘05 thru ‘07 DMCV Sharks ECNL girls lose by a combined 16 goals this past weekend in league play to Deza.
I hope MW can turn it around, but it’s gonna take a lot of patience, coaching, and most of all….recruiting.

It was not pretty for Sharks but to be accurate:
U19 1-0 Surf
U17 2-0 Surf (Deza coached)
U16 6-0 Surf
U15 4-0 Surf (includes MW recruits) (Deza coached)
U14 6-0 Surf (MW coached team with multiple Albion recruits)
U13 6-1 Surf (MW coached team and 90% his Albion 09 team)

MW is not the savior everyone seems to think he will be for Sharks. He doesn't have the patience, coaching skill, nor does San Diego have enough talent outside Surf to be competitive in the Sonoran division. MW was out coached by CB in the 09 game as well by DT in the 08 game. The older Sharks coaches made better adjustments than MW in their games to keep it close.

 

[RedHawk]

IT

It was not pretty for Sharks but to be accurate:
U19 1-0 Surf
U17 2-0 Surf (Deza coached)
U16 6-0 Surf
U15 4-0 Surf (includes MW recruits) (Deza coached)
U14 6-0 Surf (MW coached team with multiple Albion recruits)
U13 6-1 Surf (MW coached team and 90% his Albion 09 team)

MW is not the savior everyone seems to think he will be for Sharks. He doesn't have the patience, coaching skill, nor does San Diego have enough talent outside Surf to be competitive in the Sonoran division. MW was out coached by CB in the 09 game as well by DT in the 08 game. The older Sharks coaches made better adjustments than MW in their games to keep it close.

MW hasn't been there six months. You have to give him some time!!

 

[Soccerdude oc]

IT

It was not pretty for Sharks but to be accurate:
U19 1-0 Surf
U17 2-0 Surf (Deza coached)
U16 6-0 Surf
U15 4-0 Surf (includes MW recruits) (Deza coached)
U14 6-0 Surf (MW coached team with multiple Albion recruits)
U13 6-1 Surf (MW coached team and 90% his Albion 09 team)

MW is not the savior everyone seems to think he will be for Sharks. He doesn't have the patience, coaching skill, nor does San Diego have enough talent outside Surf to be competitive in the Sonoran division. MW was out coached by CB in the 09 game as well by DT in the 08 game. The older Sharks coaches made better adjustments than MW in their games to keep it close.

MW has had these teams for 2 months and yes there were alot of 09 girls from his old team that came but the other teams only have 1-3 new players if that. I know that the 07s have 2-3 new players and the 08 have 2 new field players (not enough to completly transform a team no matter the talent). And you are going to measure sucess by wether or not they beat Surf one of the top teams? MW hasn't even had tryouts yet. He hasn't even picked his team. Give him a full year and then you can say something. It's great to see another ECNL option for girls in SD. I have no doubt he won't have any problem recruiting this year and from clubs other than Albion. I am rooting for them.

 

[socceruser]

IT

It was not pretty for Sharks but to be accurate:
U19 1-0 Surf
U17 2-0 Surf (Deza coached)
U16 6-0 Surf
U15 4-0 Surf (includes MW recruits) (Deza coached)
U14 6-0 Surf (MW coached team with multiple Albion recruits)
U13 6-1 Surf (MW coached team and 90% his Albion 09 team)

MW is not the savior everyone seems to think he will be for Sharks. He doesn't have the patience, coaching skill, nor does San Diego have enough talent outside Surf to be competitive in the Sonoran division. MW was out coached by CB in the 09 game as well by DT in the 08 game. The older Sharks coaches made better adjustments than MW in their games to keep it close.

The multiple recruits you speak of has not happened yet. The 09 team does have multiple but also includes multiple 2010 players playing up. 07 and 08 maybe at most has 1 or 2 recruits. MW is having tryouts soon so we will see what happens then. Any type of judgement is just way too early. Most rosters are still 90 percent original shark players, he is doing the right thing to allow the original players to play until a proper tryout.

 

[MyDaughtersAKeeper]

MW is not the savior everyone seems to think he will be for Sharks. He doesn't have the patience, coaching skill, nor does San Diego have enough talent outside Surf to be competitive in the Sonoran division. MW was out coached by CB in the 09 game as well by DT in the 08 game. The older Sharks coaches made better adjustments than MW in their games to keep it close.

I don't know MW. I know that CB & DT are both good coaches. Maybe MW was out coached, but unless changes are made you may see a reshuffling of SD talent. I am hearing there are quite a few unhappy parents.

 

[dad4]

Can one of you all define what you mean by "grade cut".

I have no idea whether you mean
- cutting someone whose academic grade is too high ( decent, but too old for JV)
- cutting someone whose academic grade is too low. ( Good enough, but no frosh on varsity.)
-putting someone in a reduced grade, to give them an age advantage. (Redshirting)
-cutting someone who can't compete because of bad grades

The last seems most likely, but I can't see why that would qualify as a dumb idea.

 

[Brav520]

Sharks have 1 , Flight 1 team between 2010-2014 girls ( 2010 girls )

Give CIty SC Carlsbad ECNL status and take away from sharks

 

[Carlsbad7]

Sharks have 1 , Flight 1 team between 2010-2014 girls ( 2010 girls )

Give CIty SC Carlsbad ECNL status and take away from sharks

Not likely to happen for a while. Duggan went all in on DA, GA, and DPL a while ago + doesnt seem to want to change.

Also City licensing its name to smaller clubs would make a switch to ECNL difficult.

Also also Surf and to a lesser extent Blues dont want City in ECNL.

 

[Sike]

Not likely to happen for a while. Duggan went all in on DA, GA, and DPL a while ago + doesnt seem to want to change.

Also City licensing its name to smaller clubs would make a switch to ECNL difficult.

Also also Surf and to a lesser extent Blues dont want City in ECNL.

Why in the world would Blues care about City?

 

[NoSouppForYou]

Not likely to happen for a while. Duggan went all in on DA, GA, and DPL a while ago + doesnt seem to want to change.

Also City licensing its name to smaller clubs would make a switch to ECNL difficult.

Also also Surf and to a lesser extent Blues dont want City in ECNL.

Duggan begged for ECNL, applied every year until he was bailed out with DA. What Surf and Blues want is Duggan to stay DOC and chase every high level player to their clubs. He also chases his high level coaches from BG to now AW to Surf, let alone all the others that are coaching around North County. Lightning/Wave/Galaxy/City will never have ECNL until the club gets a new DOC. It is a shame for all the talented players in Carlsbad that could stay in their own backyard but are forced to continue their development elsewhere because of his narcissistic approach to running a club. Every ECNL roster at Blues and Surf has Carlsbad girls. A sad story to look at the Carlsbad High/Sage Creek rosters and see the best players are those that play club soccer at Surf and Blues. City’s affiliate network has nothing to do with not getting ECNL. Surf and Slammers have affiliates all over SoCal, no problem there.

 

[Carlsbad7]

Why in the world would Blues care about City?

Surf and Blues have the same reasons for keeping City out of ECNL. North County SD has a lot of talent. Surf likes to comb through all of the City/Galaxy/United teams for players to recruit.

Before MW went to Sharks Carlsbad/Oceanside players would go to Blues if they didnt get into Surf. Believe it or not the drive to Blues from North San Diego is pretty much the same as Surf /Polo fields (when you factor in traffic)

 

[Lightning Red]

Surf and Blues have the same reasons for keeping City out of ECNL. North County SD has a lot of talent. Surf likes to comb through all of the City/Galaxy/United teams for players to recruit.

Before MW went to Sharks Carlsbad/Oceanside players would go to Blues if they didnt get into Surf. Believe it or not the drive to Blues from North San Diego is pretty much the same as Surf /Polo fields (when you factor in traffic)

MW is a fantastic coach and an even better guy but if any of you seriously think that Surf will lose out you are nuts. I watched 4/5 of the games on Sunday and the scores didn’t tell the story. Every game could have been 10+.

 

[Carlsbad7]

MW is a fantastic coach and an even better guy but if any of you seriously think that Surf will lose out you are nuts. I watched 4/5 of the games on Sunday and the scores didn’t tell the story. Every game could have been 10+.

It doesnt matter if Sharks beat Surf or not. However Sharks will get better over time and eventually one of the teams will beat Surf. (What I would pay to be a fly on the wall in that coaches meeting)

For now pressing for a culture change in Sharks + fostering a winning attitude is the first step.

 

[crush]

It doesnt matter if Sharks beat Surf or not. However Sharks will get better over time and eventually one of the teams will beat Surf. (What I would pay to be a fly on the wall in that coaches meeting)

For now pressing for a culture change in Sharks + fostering a winning attitude is the first step.

To beat the best, you need to give full rides to your top 11 players. My advice to MW is to offer a "free 4 year development offer" to all top players in SD, South OC and Temecula and even Mexico. I'm serious. Pay the top players to come play for your club and you win, trust me!!!

 

[Goforgoal]

MW is a fantastic coach and an even better guy but if any of you seriously think that Surf will lose out you are nuts. I watched 4/5 of the games on Sunday and the scores didn’t tell the story. Every game could have been 10+.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Red. Surf's rock solid starting 11 are not going anywhere, or even the 12-14 that get enough playing time. It's the 15 to 20, and solid ECRL players that Sharks may be able to pick up here and there that improve their starting 11. At least to a point to give other teams in the league better games. That's clearly the objective, and that situation would be better for everyone involved I would think.

 

[crush]

I don't think anyone here is saying that Red. Surf's rock solid starting 11 are not going anywhere, or even the 12-14 that get enough playing time. It's the 15 to 20, and solid ECRL players that Sharks may be able to pick up here and there that improve their starting 11. At least to a point to give other teams in the league better games. That's clearly the objective, and that situation would be better for everyone involved I would think.

Truth is, what is 15-20 today might be top 5 player 3 years later.

 

[Brav520]

I propose Surf, Blues , and Slammers break off and start a super duper league with the other top clubs in the country

homeschool all the players , have some of those wealthy parents finance the charter of jets to weekend games across the country . True academy style , where the kids eat, live and breathe soccer

 

[Soccer43]

Every year this is a discussion. Some parents come on and say HS is garbage filled with injury risk and site multiple horrific injuries that they have witnessed or experienced. Then other parents come on to refute that and say their high school has quality play with lots of ECNL players scattered on the teams and that it is the best experience. It varies so much based on your high school league, your opinions, and the club you are at. For us, playing HS was the time of their lives and brought a tremendous benefit of community spirit, joy for the game, and high level competition that was safe and fun and a trophy or two along the way. They will cherish those memories and experiences forever. Club was fun and loved the club team but it was always more like a job. Make your own decision. Honor your player's views and feelings about this. It is such a short time that flies by, let them have that joy whether it is no HS or 100% HS. Once they get to college it is all work.

 

[Carlsbad7]

I propose Surf, Blues , and Slammers break off and start a super duper league with the other top clubs in the country

homeschool all the players , have some of those wealthy parents finance the charter of jets to weekend games across the country . True academy style , where the kids eat, live and breathe soccer

I realize that you're poking fun however...

1. Surf is trying to get a resident player program off the ground.
2. I actually know a couple of player parents with jets that could make this happen. (Sharks parents believe it or not)

Be careful what you wish for. ;-)

 

[Lightning Red]

MW is a fantastic coach and an even better guy but if any of you seriously think that Surf will lose out you are nuts. I watched 4/5 of the games on Sunday and the scores didn’t tell the story. Every game could have been 10+.

Your

I don't think anyone here is saying that Red. Surf's rock solid starting 11 are not going anywhere, or even the 12-14 that get enough playing time. It's the 15 to 20, and solid ECRL players that Sharks may be able to pick up here and there that improve their starting 11. At least to a point to give other teams in the league better games. That's clearly the objective, and that situation would be better for everyone involved I would think.

My point is that it’s going to take 3/5 years before they could make a true impact if things stayed the same as today’s environment. It has to start with the Younger’s. Most of us on this forum will have aged out before that could potentially happen.