Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?

[crush]

Exactly...so the club should be agnostic re playing HS. Many players LOVE playing HS. Others don't have an interest. Let players and families decide what they want to do without repercussion or hints that it is disfavored. The DA rule was wrong. If Surf is discouraging, even ever so slightly, that is just as wrong and unfortunate. But we already know they're not a player/family-centric club. So, no surprise.

Yes, the GDA was all wrong and full of shit, so true. I remember sitting down with my 8th grader who was so torn with going for the gold. Should I give up HSS, social life with all my new pals ((telling the girls at school their not good enough for her is not good, moo)) and go for the GDA and the hype? I sat down with her and told her the truth. The odds of making an actual YNT team or real camp was .01, unless you had direct access to the pick or had Doc in back pocket. I had neither so she had to be better than Rodman, Turner, Shaw, Jackson or Thompson to get the call. I had to be honest with my baby. We both saw Rodman, Turner, Jackson, Thompson, Shaw and a few others up close and how hard it would be to pass them. Their all very gifted players. The choice was made to play HSS and look to play a few games in the SCDSL. What rubbed me and my kid was the BS waivers. You see, at the very last minute, some girls who had rich daddy's got waivers to do both, instead of a "waive goodbye." Deza will not move an inch because he's a real coach. The other Doc I dealt with was the biggest liar and fraudster in soccer. He or someone got waivers to make everyone happy. You know, have your cake and ice cream.

 

[socalkdg]

Our small school had first day of tryouts and had a number of Legends & Arsenal players, plus a few other clubs, some ECNL, some not, but good turnout and looks like we might actually have a JV team this year after only having enough players for varsity.

Will still be tough to compete vs Santiago and King, but the girls should be up for the challenge and on any given day, you never know. I do know the quality of soccer for our league is pretty good. One thing I've noticed is that High School soccer has made our club players more physical, so that is a good thing.

So if ECNL girls don't play High School, would they just practice with their club team since there are no ECNL games scheduled?

 

[MacDre]

So if ECNL girls don't play High School, would they just practice with their club team since there are no ECNL games scheduled?

Great question. I’ve been wondering the same thing.

 

[Emma]

Club coaches should discuss with their players how to avoid injuries and how to fall correctly. Coaches should discuss the pros and cons of playing high school soccer. Coaches should never force or influence a girl's decision on whether she should decides to play high school soccer. We raise strong girls physically and mentally. High school soccer or not, it's an individual player's decision based on their individual circumstances. We should trust them to make the right decisions for themselves with the correct information. Do not force our daughters or let some older man or woman decide for our daughters.

 

[LouSag]

I caught that, nice one He did inherit a program that was not producing from when my dd was winning championships there. Let's give him a year more and then he will have a ECNL Championship at one of the age groups

I will take that bet. Surf’s best shot at ECNL championship is the 2006 Girls, and Deza is not even allowed to work with them! L Hunt is the gaffer and does a great job with the ‘06s. Deza’s only full time team is the 07’s. He has changed the way they play and it takes time—lately their results are not good.

 

[crush]

I will take that bet. Surf’s best shot at ECNL championship is the 2006 Girls, and Deza is not even allowed to work with them! L Hunt is the gaffer and does a great job with the ‘06s. Deza’s only full time team is the 07’s. He has changed the way they play and it takes time—lately their results are not good.

I never placed a wager bro, it was just a guess I had. He is DOC of the program and he needs time. You must start at the lower age groups, moo. Results for U18/19 and even U17 are not measured by the record as much as getting kids into college. They're #1 in that category. That older team lost some amazing players over the years that you just can;t replace and they have a few out with injuries. Plus girls take visits to colleges at this age so you never know who your playing that day. I think it;s now becoming one giant pool of players and no more real teams. I was warned this U18/19 age is not like the younger years where winning was everything. It's more to stay in shape for those already committed and a last chance hope for those that aren't. My pals kid committed in March this year and is balling in college as I write.

 

[LouSag]

Great question. I’ve been wondering the same thing.

Rumor at Surf is something like a combined age group team of 05/06 or 05/04 practicing during the HS season and playing ECNL showcases in TN, FL and TX the Dec to Feb timeframe.

 

[crush]

Rumor at Surf is something like a combined age group team of 05/06 or 05/04 practicing during the HS season and playing ECNL showcases in TN, FL and TX the Dec to Feb timeframe.

That's cool option for the girls who don't want to risk getting injured. I wont lie, my dd has been hurt every year in HSS. This last year she was pushed from behind and sprained her ankle super bad. Oh well, the risk one takes to play HSS. It can be straight up ugly at times. Refs just watch and not blow whistle on rugby style hacks. Not all the girls have a fun HSS team so they say no. Good soccer Coaches in HS are one in a million. If you got a great HSS program and a great coach, you focus on what you want. The other kids get what they want too and all are happy. if your trying to play two touch & go, then HSS is going to disrupt that for sure and possible to put player behind. HSS is more like turbo ball like Dre is talking about. My dd likes both but would prefer Deza style.

 

[LouSag]

I never placed a wager bro, it was just a guess I had. He is DOC of the program and he needs time. You must start at the lower age groups, moo. Results for U18/19 and even U17 are not measured by the record as much as getting kids into college. They're #1 in that category. That older team lost some amazing players over the years that you just can;t replace and they have a few out with injuries. Plus girls take visits to colleges at this age so you never know who your playing that day. I think it;s now becoming one giant pool of players and no more real teams. I was warned this U18/19 age is not like the younger years where winning was everything. It's more to stay in shape for those already committed and a last chance hope for those that aren't. My pals kid committed in March this year and is balling in college as I write.

I agree with you on some aspects. Once committed to the college, staying in shape and healthy, while still getting quality games, is what’s important. HSS soccer is kind of the opposite of that. HSS has its benefits (leadership, comraderie, playing for your school,
Playing a different position, etc…) but quality of play and remaining injury free are certainly not attributes of the HSS experience.

DOC’s legacy for the older players graduating from his program is what college they attend. 99.9% of these girls need to realize they should be going to college for a degree and not the soccer program. Surf proudly displays success on its website by YNT call ups, senior USWNT players from the Surf program, and national championships (ECNL, DA, not NPL or DPL). They are not competing with DMCV Sharks as some in the other thread would have argued.

Deza should be starting with the younger age groups, but he’s got Craig Barclay already got doing that important work with the younger half of the Surf program. Deza needs time, and they will give it to him. And he will be successful, but a lot of players will leave based on his delivery and style, but there will be many more quality players recruited because of his delivery and style as well.

 

[youthsportsugghhh]

Great question. I’ve been wondering the same thing.

Yes -- most girls who haven't played HS in the past keep practicing with their clubs. Sometimes it is a combined age group practice depending on the numbers. That is at least what I know of some clubs in NorCal.

 

[youthsportsugghhh]

I can see both sides of the argument for HSS. My daughters are 10th and 12th grade. My 04 has played club and HSS all four years. My 10th grader (who is IR for the rest of the year with ACL Reconstruction Rehab) has played club and 5 games of last year's abbreviated COVID 19 Season here in NORCAL. My 04, is a grinder, she has the size and core to give as good as she gets in the HS game where competitors range from "elite" to "Rugby-lite" My 06, is more a fit with the Deza school of touch and movement and definitely not carrying the weight or size of her older sister. 06 is pretty quick and avoids most but some of the opponent team girls just don't have the experience and my wife and I worry about 06 getting hurt against the "rugby-lite" teams. My 06 girl, even with the ACL setback, has a very bright future and we question the benefit of the HS game when the CONs so heavily outweigh the PROs come 22-23 and 23-24 HS season.

My 04 didn't play HS for 2 years as the DA didn't allow it, last year she got the opportunity and loved every minute of it. She had heard all of the negative talk from clubs and players, but the coach asked her and they had a relationship from years before so she played. What we witnessed is that the more talented players were able to stay out of the way of the others 'Rugby' players and there were no significant injuries to the players in her league. Club players had several ACL and broken bones and concussions -- The speed and power of the top club play is significant and can lead to injuries which is what we witnessed.

 

[Carlsbad7]

I agree with you on some aspects. Once committed to the college, staying in shape and healthy, while still getting quality games, is what’s important. HSS soccer is kind of the opposite of that. HSS has its benefits (leadership, comraderie, playing for your school,
Playing a different position, etc…) but quality of play and remaining injury free are certainly not attributes of the HSS experience.

DOC’s legacy for the older players graduating from his program is what college they attend. 99.9% of these girls need to realize they should be going to college for a degree and not the soccer program. Surf proudly displays success on its website by YNT call ups, senior USWNT players from the Surf program, and national championships (ECNL, DA, not NPL or DPL). They are not competing with DMCV Sharks as some in the other thread would have argued.

Deza should be starting with the younger age groups, but he’s got Craig Barclay already got doing that important work with the younger half of the Surf program. Deza needs time, and they will give it to him. And he will be successful, but a lot of players will leave based on his delivery and style, but there will be many more quality players recruited because of his delivery and style as well.

You wouldnt be mentioning "the other thread" if it wasnt a potential threat. ;-)

 

[LouSag]

You wouldnt be mentioning "the other thread" if it wasnt a potential threat. ;-)

Is any Sharks team in the 2003-2008 girls age groups going to beat any Surf (or Blues, or LAFC) team in the next 3 years? MW at Sharks is a quality coach, but it will take time to change the ECNL average 13th place finish for a program like Sharks. Building the club up from the younger age groups is the key and I hope MW stays committed to DMCV Sharks for the long haul. I wish him the best, the more competition the better for all of So Cal and US soccer. But threat for Surf….laugh laugh.

 

[futboldad1]

Is any Sharks team in the 2003-2008 girls age groups going to beat any Surf (or Blues, or LAFC) team in the next 3 years? MW at Sharks is a quality coach, but it will take time to change the ECNL average 13th place finish for a program like Sharks. Building the club up from the younger age groups is the key and I hope MW stays committed to DMCV Sharks for the long haul. I wish him the best, the more competition the better for all of So Cal and US soccer. But threat for Surf….laugh laugh.

1,000,000%......here is last year's standings, the season prior (19/20) looked almost identical......and results so far this season has most Sharks teams having lost every one of their first 4 games..... the 09s show promise but Sharks are at least 3 years away from even being a mid table club just as LouSag says.......

20/21 ECNL Standings (Based on PPG, average finish for club in bold)

----------------------AVG 08 07 06 05 04 03
1st LAFC Slammers 1.5 2 2 1 1 1 2
2nd So Cal Blues SC 2.0 1 1 3 4 2 1
3rd SD Surf 3.5 3 3 2 3 4 6
4th Real So Cal 6.5 8 7 4 10 3 7
5th Slammers FC 6.7 9 8 5 7 7 4
6th Phoenix Rising FC 7.2 7 6 8 5 8 9
7th LA Breakers FC 8.2 11 5 9 9 5 10
8th Heat FC 8.7 14 9 10 2 6 11
8th Strikers FC 8.7 13 10 6 8 12 3
10th Arizona Arsenal SC 9.3 6 12 11 13 9 5
11th Eagles SC 9.5 4 4 12 11 13 13
12th Arsenal FC 10.2 5 14 14 6 10 12
12th Rebels SC 10.2 10 11 7 14 11 8
14th DMCV Sharks 13 12 13 13 12 14 14

 

[Carlsbad7]

Is any Sharks team in the 2003-2008 girls age groups going to beat any Surf (or Blues, or LAFC) team in the next 3 years? MW at Sharks is a quality coach, but it will take time to change the ECNL average 13th place finish for a program like Sharks. Building the club up from the younger age groups is the key and I hope MW stays committed to DMCV Sharks for the long haul. I wish him the best, the more competition the better for all of So Cal and US soccer. But threat for Surf….laugh laugh.

I completely agree with your statements. However theres one angle you're not accounting for. Surf brings on the best of the best whenever possible. This also means they drop the worst of the worst when push comes to shove. Those players have to go somewhere. It used to be that they'd head for Blues. Now with MW at Sharks other options will be available.

 

[futboldad1]

I completely agree with your statements. However theres one angle you're not accounting for. Surf brings on the best of the best whenever possible. This also means they drop the worst of the worst when push comes to shove. Those players have to go somewhere. It used to be that they'd head for Blues. Now with MW at Sharks other options will be available.

But for ages older than 09 or maybe 08 I doubt that will be the case as MW is Youngers........he's a necessary hire but 3 years to notice a difference in the program as whole seems about right.........B.t.w. did you mean drop worst of the best.....worst of the worst doesn't really apply when it comes to Surf's ECNL and ECRL teams..........

 

[Carlsbad7]

Sure

But for ages older than 09 or maybe 08 I doubt that will be the case as MW is Youngers........he's a necessary hire but 3 years to notice a difference in the program as whole seems about right.........B.t.w. did you mean drop worst of the best.....worst of the worst doesn't really apply when it comes to Surf's ECNL and ECRL teams..........

Sure "worst of the best" would have been at better way to put it. No need to dismiss all the efforts players go through.

 

[paytoplay]

That's cool option for the girls who don't want to risk getting injured. I wont lie, my dd has been hurt every year in HSS. This last year she was pushed from behind and sprained her ankle super bad. Oh well, the risk one takes to play HSS. It can be straight up ugly at times. Refs just watch and not blow whistle on rugby style hacks. Not all the girls have a fun HSS team so they say no. Good soccer Coaches in HS are one in a million. If you got a great HSS program and a great coach, you focus on what you want. The other kids get what they want too and all are happy. if your trying to play two touch & go, then HSS is going to disrupt that for sure and possible to put player behind. HSS is more like turbo ball like Dre is talking about. My dd likes both but would prefer Deza style.

A few years in and I’m starting to believe HS is about as pay to play and corrupt as club is, with the have and have not programs, but without the ability to “club hop” the hell away from your circumstances.

 

[LouSag]

100% agree. Sharks will be inundated with ECRL players from Surf in all age groups, many quality players. Rebels have been improving from these types of players the past 2 years as well.

I completely agree with your statements. However theres one angle you're not accounting for. Surf brings on the best of the best whenever possible. This also means they drop the worst of the worst when push comes to shove. Those players have to go somewhere. It used to be that they'd head for Blues. Now with MW at Sharks other options will be availabl

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Yes -- most girls who haven't played HS in the past keep practicing with their clubs. Sometimes it is a combined age group practice depending on the numbers. That is at least what I know of some clubs in NorCal.

The winter before COVID hit (Dec - Feb) our club combined the girls from their ECNL teams and added college players who were home as well as a few professional players. I was pleased with the experience. It also gave an opportunity to focus on PT since you don't have "league" games every weekend to worry about. They often had games on the weekend but they didn't have to be concerned that the PT work kept them from their peak game readiness.