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[MicPaPa]

Wow, just wow. So let me guess this straight....people are now accusing the Womens'/Girls Youth side of being...racist? Do people realize that this womens' side of soccer/futbol/football is probably the most inclusive sport in the world, including the US?

1. 5'1" Crystal Dunn
2. Casey Krueger
3. Lynn Williams
4. Adrianna Franch
5. Catarina Macario
6. Mallory Pugh
7. Sophia Smith
8. Lynn Williams
9. Midge Purce
10. Trinity Rodman

10 out 30 players are minorities. That's 31.25% of the player pool. 9 of 10 are African American. That's 90% African American and 10% Latino.

13.4% of the US Population is African American.
18.5% of the US Population is Hispanic or Latino.
That's a total of 31.9% Black/Latino population.

If you want truths, look at these numbers for a fair contrast. In reality, it's Latino's who are discriminated against more than anyone. To compound the issue even more, when you look at most youth soccer teams, especially in SoCal, what is the percent ratio of ethnicity/race on most teams you see? Think about it.

Bottom line, US Soccer does not have any issues with race discrimination but much more of a problem with Club discrimination. Players, both boys and girls, are often chosen to into US training with a high biased of what Club they come from.

Lastly, being a delusional overzealous parent will not help any kid in any way possible, unless you are a multi-millionaire. Than the only color is green. See College Admission scandals.

Good luck in court but I personally see no leg to stand on unless you completely take minority and race out of the equation.

Actual Bottom line, there has to be a big enough market to create big enough revenues. The America hating victim mentality of the current USWNT has turned off millions of fans and setback the US women's soccer market considerably. Unfortunately, Jaedyn Shaw, who is a believer and openly speaks of Jesus Christ, is about to find out firsthand the real struggle in this current US women's soccer environment and culture.

This is where parents, whose DD are looking to soccer for college scholarships and beyond, should direct their concern and ire.

Pathetically, many find playing victim and race cards as the only answer and pass this toxic mentality to their kids as it was no doubt passed down to themselves, thus keeping this ugly cycle going.

 

[MacDre]

Sorry @MacDre this post was all that I needed to see. If your litigation has nothing to do with race, than just say so. Otherwise, it has everything to do with race and you are just gaslighting, hence your question in the above post.

I just don't see the correlation between Olivia Moultrie and any other player her age. Did Lebron James have to try out for any teams? What about Christian Pulisic? And the best one for last, Mal Pugh, only 17 years old when she started for USWNT. She was actually 16 when put in the player pool.

Again, sorry, but maybe I am biased after many months of you pulling the race card of anyone that disagrees with you followed by posts of videos that support gangsterism, guns, violence, and the degradation of women. It literally contradicts everything you post.

Good Day.

You are starting to make me think that you are not very intelligent. I will try to write in simple English to avoid further problems with your comprehension.
First, I have not mentioned any names or attempted to correlate anything;
Second, I am simply asking for clarification on the rules to see if my player made the U17 YNT as a starter. Under the applicable rules, either my player made it or she didn’t;
Third, I am reasonably certain that you have never seen my kid play, you are not qualified to analyze, and you are just running your big ass mouth; and
Fourth, I am reasonably certain that you have no idea about what the applicable rules are here. Again, you are not qualified to analyze and are just running your big ass mouth

Up to this point your analysis has been off the mark and not very constructive. Maybe you should stay in your lane and STFU?

 

[MacDre]

Actual Bottom line, there has to be a big enough market to create big enough revenues. The America hating victim mentality of the current USWNT has turned off millions of fans and setback the US women's soccer market considerably. Unfortunately, Jaedyn Shaw, who is a believer and openly speaks of Jesus Christ, is about to find out firsthand the real struggle in this current US women's soccer environment and culture.

This is where parents, whose DD are looking to soccer for college scholarships and beyond, should direct their concern and ire.

Pathetically, many find playing victim and race cards as the only answer and pass this toxic mentality to their kids as it was no doubt passed down to themselves, thus keeping this ugly cycle going.

Does white privilege exist?

 

[crush]

Does white privilege exist?

No is my guess and I am white. I shared my story of survival as baby crush escaped certain death before birth. Dre, were all passed that debate. Does elitists' with privilege exist? Yes, moo. What colors do the Elites come in Dre? Come on man, this is so old and no one is falling for it anymore. Were all slaves to the system. Some slaves make more money then the other slaves on the Hamster Wheel of make buck and retire. I free now and heading out to the great out doors bro.

 

[MicPaPa]

Sorry @MacDre this post was all that I needed to see. If your litigation has nothing to do with race, than just say so. Otherwise, it has everything to do with race and you are just gaslighting, hence your question in the above post.

I just don't see the correlation between Olivia Moultrie and any other player her age. Did Lebron James have to try out for any teams? What about Christian Pulisic? And the best one for last, Mal Pugh, only 17 years old when she started for USWNT. She was actually 16 when put in the player pool.

Again, sorry, but maybe I am biased after many months of you pulling the race card of anyone that disagrees with you followed by posts of videos that support gangsterism, guns, violence, and the degradation of women. It literally contradicts everything you post.

Good Day.

@MacDre , or @MacRacebaiter, or @MacVictim (take your pick) has no solutions...he is the problem.

 

[MARsSPEED]

Does White privilege exist?

Does wealthy White privilege exist?
Yes.

Does wealthy Black privilege exist?
Yes.

Does middle class White privilege exist?
No.

Does middle class Black privilege exist?
No.

Does poor Black privilege exist?
No.

Does poor white privilege exist?
No.

Do parents have absolute control in how successful their child is regardless of what they are born into?
100% absolutely.

 

[MacDre]

No is my guess and I am white. I shared my story of survival as baby crush escaped certain death before birth. Dre, were all passed that debate. Does elitists' with privilege exist? Yes, moo. What colors do the Elites come in Dre? Come on man, this is so old and no one is falling for it anymore. Were all slaves to the system. Some slaves make more money then the other slaves on the Hamster Wheel of make buck and retire. I free now and heading out to the great out doors bro.

Crush, I grew up poor and that’s how I identify. I think I am still dealing with the trauma of being mistreated by rich folks. The reality of the situation is that I kind of resent privileged kids like yours and mine. The actions that I am taking are probably to the detriment of my privileged daughter but she has resources and will be okay.

I am doing this for the kids from the struggle like you and I homie. Color doesn’t matter.

 

[crush]

Crush, I grew up poor and that’s how I identify. I think I am still dealing with the trauma of being mistreated by rich folks. The reality of the situation is that I kind of resent privileged kids like yours and mine. The actions that I am taking are probably to the detriment of my privileged daughter but she has resources and will be okay.

I am doing this for the kids from the struggle like you and I homie. Color doesn’t matter.

Does Privilege exist? Yes!!! Let's not add a color to this, please???? We have enough problems to deal with. If we ((whites, blacks, asians and latinos)) stick together, we can make one bitchen place. If we allow the Elites ((white, black, asian and latino)) to rule us, were all ((white, black, asain and latino)) going to be slaves to their evil system we were born into. Does that make sense? Love first and judge ye not Let's ALL love each other and help all the kids have equal access. I think Mars hit nail on head bro regarding the selection process. is it fair? Hell no!

 

[timmyh]

Thanks for your input as I feel you are genuinely trying to help. So I’ll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

I think my kid should have a starting spot on the U17 YNT because a precedent was set by a 2005 player. Who evaluated the 11 year old and determined she should play on a YNT? What rules allowed an 11 year old to play up on a YNT? Are the only people capable of evaluating a YNT player in club soccer? Can you reconcile your position of taking my kid to Solar and having her stand out with USSF’s position on development? I also am not talking about everyone because every player has not been given the okay by Cal, FSU, and Xolos; why does my kid need the approval of Solar when the tops kids from Solar are striving for acceptance from places that have green lighted my player?

I am trying to leave the game in a better place for girls in the future. I am aware of the problems at Dash. But, do you think it’s fair that USSF has paid for training for boys via the development academy while ignoring girls? Do you think it’s fair that USSF has offered project 40/Generation Adidas to males and not females?

My ultimate goal is to show how arbitrary and unfair USSF is in all that they do so females can be included in Generation Adidas program; what’s your problem with this?

If you could not tell, I don’t care what a hater thinks. I’m sure you are aware of the scandals in gymnastics, swimming, and the NWSL…I could care less about conforming by kissing ass to be accepted in a toxic abusive environment. I have absolutely nothing to lose and lots to gain, so why not?

For me, the bottom line is that the people doing the evaluating are those paid by US Soccer to do the evaluating and coaching and they are incentivized to choose wisely. That is pretty much the same model as everywhere else in the world.

They have set up a process to select national teams, and it is largely the same as most everywhere else in the world. It involves scouting and input from trusted colleagues that generally lead to invites to regional training sessions. Those that stand out, get chosen to move onward to more selective sessions, culminating in building a team for Youth World Cups.

We are a big country. I don't see an obviously better way to do it. They surely get choices wrong sometimes, but that is the nature of things everywhere. I don't see any evidence, at all, of any obvious bias or crookedness in the process.

I think you're very unlikely to fundamentally change things, and I am unconvinced you actually have a better way of doing things, anyway. I would just recommend you jump into the well-established process and, if your kid is as good as you say she is, I imagine those in charge will be quite happy you did and that things will work out quite well.

 

[MacDre]

For me, the bottom line is that the people doing the evaluating are those paid by US Soccer to do the evaluating and coaching and they are incentivized to choose wisely. That is pretty much the same model as everywhere else in the world.

They have set up a process to select national teams, and it is largely the same as most everywhere else in the world. It involves scouting and input from trusted colleagues that generally lead to invites to regional training sessions. Those that stand out, get chosen to move onward to more selective sessions, culminating in building a team for Youth World Cups.

We are a big country. I don't see an obviously better way to do it. They surely get choices wrong sometimes, but that is the nature of things everywhere. I don't see any evidence, at all, of any obvious bias or crookedness in the process.

I think you're very unlikely to fundamentally change things, and I am unconvinced you actually have a better way of doing things, anyway. I would just recommend you jump into the well-established process and, if your kid is as good as you say she is, I imagine those in charge will be quite happy you did and that things will work out quite well.

My point is that there is a player in the 2005 birth year that did not go through the process that you describe. I am interested in the rules, policies, and procedures that allowed the 2005 player to bypass the process that you accurately describe as being used around the world. Maybe my kid qualifies for the YNT under the same rules as the 2005 player that preceded her; do you think it is possible for my kid to qualify for the YNT under the same process as the 2005 player that preceded her?

Are you familiar with the rules, policies, or procedures that allowed an 11 year old to bypass the process you described above and guaranteed her a starting position on the YNT?

 

[timmyh]

I also am not talking about everyone because every player has not been given the okay by Cal, FSU, and Xolos; why does my kid need the approval of Solar when the tops kids from Solar are striving for acceptance from places that have green lighted my player?

Cal, FSU, and Xolos make the selection for who can be part of their programs. YNT coaches make the selection for who can be part of their program.

While I am certain a recommendation from, say, Krikorian at FSU will go a long way toward getting a YNT look, suggesting that it means that your daughter has thus cleared all hurdles required to start on the U17 YNT seems to be a step too far.

 

[timmyh]

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My point is that there is a player in the 2005 birth year that did not go through the process that you describe. I am interested in the rules, policies, and procedures that allowed the 2005 player to bypass the process that you accurately describe as being used around the world. Maybe my kid qualifies for the YNT under the same rules as the 2005 player that preceded her; do you think it is possible for my kid to qualify for the YNT under the same process as the 2005 player that preceded her?

Are you familiar with the rules, policies, or procedures that allowed an 11 year old to bypass the process you described above and guaranteed her a starting position on the YNT?

I suppose I would disagree with your premise that an 11 year old bypassed the existing model due to nefarious reasons. I assume you are speaking of OM? An alternatively more likely explanation is that she entered the process and excelled.

I would also disagree that the rules, policies, and procedures for the pathway to a YNT team are unclear. To me, the pathway seems pretty well-documented and obvious.

 

[Kicker4Life]

[QUOTE="timmyh, post: 408221, member: 1743] she entered the process and excelled.
[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY!

Also, didn’t make the u17 roster at 11….

 

[MacDre]

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I suppose I would disagree with your premise that an 11 year old bypassed the existing model due to nefarious reasons. I assume you are speaking of OM? An alternatively more likely explanation is that she entered the process and excelled.

I would also disagree that the rules, policies, and procedures for the pathway to a YNT team are unclear. To me, the pathway seems pretty well-documented and obvious.

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was nefarious. In my email communications with USSF, I was told that 11 year olds do not qualify to be evaluated as they are too young. I was explicitly told by scouting at USSF that my kid would be considered in the fall of 2021. I subsequently discovered that a player from the 2005 birth year was Playing Up on the YNT as opposed to being evaluated for the YNT when she was 11.

So, can you please explain how an 11 year old is playing up on the YNT when scouting told me the evaluation process begins at 14?

 

[what-happened]

[QUOTE="timmyh, post: 408221, member: 1743] she entered the process and excelled.

EXACTLY!

Also, didn’t make the u17 roster at 11….
[/QUOTE]
This is what has me confused.

 

[soccersc]

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was nefarious. In my email communications with USSF, I was told that 11 year olds do not qualify to be evaluated as they are too young. I was explicitly told by scouting at USSF that my kid would be considered in the fall of 2021. I subsequently discovered that a player from the 2005 birth year was Playing Up on the YNT as opposed to being evaluated for the YNT when she was 11.

So, can you please explain how an 11 year old is playing up on the YNT when scouting told me the evaluation process begins at 14?

Do you really feel by asking that question you are going to get a valid answer? Are you looking for validation for how you feel? I am not sure what you are trying to get asking the same question over and over from a group of parents and a few coaches? Is someones explanation from this forum going to do for you? It's odd dude!

I'll explain to you like this...you probably are never going to know... and any explanation someone on here has, or will give you, will just be a guess or a theory. The only people that can answer that question for you are the ones that made the decision. Kinda ridiculous to keep asking

 

[timmyh]

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was nefarious. In my email communications with USSF, I was told that 11 year olds do not qualify to be evaluated as they are too young. I was explicitly told by scouting at USSF that my kid would be considered in the fall of 2021. I subsequently discovered that a player from the 2005 birth year was Playing Up on the YNT as opposed to being evaluated for the YNT when she was 11.

So, can you please explain how an 11 year old is playing up on the YNT when scouting told me the evaluation process begins at 14?

Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.

 

[dad4]

Cool. But, according to established precedent my kid should have a starting position on the U17 YNT already. I am looking for a detailed explanation about the disparity between my player and others so all will be crystal clear before we proceed to avoid any further confusion.

I don’t think Solar will help as the same disparities that I am complaining about apply to their star 2004 player Jaedyn Shaw.

I’m curious as to how their star 2004 player was moved out of her preferred #10 position on the YNT for a younger less athletic player (see concacaf U15 championship v. Mexico);

I’m also curious as to why leadership at Solar hasn’t helped Shaw go pro through Houston Dash with Generation Adidas? Or helped her sign a 9 year deal with Nike? Or a least raised the possibility that there may be something sinister about that UNC offer (ie hush money)?

In short, I think Solar needs to do less marketing of Shaws accomplishments and role up their sleeves and do some advocacy before her statue of limitations runs.

You’ve already told us that your daughter is an above-YNT caliber soccer player who is going to finish grad school at 18 in a STEM field.

That’s certainly possible. Bill Bradley was amazing in multiple fields. Maybe she is, too. If it’s true, good for her. We will see her name in the papers eventually.

But it seems far more likely that you got the parent goggles with the coke bottle lenses.

 

[MacDre]

Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.

Wrong. How can staff identify an 11 year old unicorn for evaluation when the process doesn’t begin until they are 14? What criteria did the scout use to determine she was a unicorn at 11 and start the evaluation process early? When the the scout and criteria used to qualify the 2005 player as a unicorn are identified, we can evaluate if my player also qualifies under the “top secret unicorn” evaluation process.

 

[MacDre]

You’ve already told us that your daughter is an above-YNT caliber soccer player who is going to finish grad school at 18 in a STEM field.

That’s certainly possible. Bill Bradley was amazing in multiple fields. Maybe she is, too. If it’s true, good for her. We will see her name in the papers eventually.

But it seems far more likely that you got the parent goggles with the coke bottle lenses.

I am talking about a kid that’s been given the nod be Cal, FSU, and Xolo’s. Three separate and distinct organizations that have nothing to do with the other. I think the FSU coach is a former YNT coach. If it’s a lie, the above mentioned coaches told it.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Wrong. How can staff identify an 11 year old unicorn for evaluation when the process doesn’t begin until they are 14? What criteria did the scout use to determine she was a unicorn at 11 and start the evaluation process early? When the the scout and criteria used to qualify the 2005 player as a unicorn are identified, we can evaluate if my player also qualifies under the “top secret unicorn” evaluation process.

That’s easy…because she was identified while playing in a “letter league” playing up 2 years against kids that were entering the process. Not to mention it is more likely that Coaches from that letter league contacted US Soccer on her behalf and had them watch games.

You say you want equal opportunity yet demand special treatment.

Good luck to you and your player.