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[timmyh]

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My point is that there is a player in the 2005 birth year that did not go through the process that you describe. I am interested in the rules, policies, and procedures that allowed the 2005 player to bypass the process that you accurately describe as being used around the world. Maybe my kid qualifies for the YNT under the same rules as the 2005 player that preceded her; do you think it is possible for my kid to qualify for the YNT under the same process as the 2005 player that preceded her?

Are you familiar with the rules, policies, or procedures that allowed an 11 year old to bypass the process you described above and guaranteed her a starting position on the YNT?

I suppose I would disagree with your premise that an 11 year old bypassed the existing model due to nefarious reasons. I assume you are speaking of OM? An alternatively more likely explanation is that she entered the process and excelled.

I would also disagree that the rules, policies, and procedures for the pathway to a YNT team are unclear. To me, the pathway seems pretty well-documented and obvious.

 

[Kicker4Life]

[QUOTE="timmyh, post: 408221, member: 1743] she entered the process and excelled.
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EXACTLY!

Also, didn’t make the u17 roster at 11….

 

[MacDre]

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I suppose I would disagree with your premise that an 11 year old bypassed the existing model due to nefarious reasons. I assume you are speaking of OM? An alternatively more likely explanation is that she entered the process and excelled.

I would also disagree that the rules, policies, and procedures for the pathway to a YNT team are unclear. To me, the pathway seems pretty well-documented and obvious.

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was nefarious. In my email communications with USSF, I was told that 11 year olds do not qualify to be evaluated as they are too young. I was explicitly told by scouting at USSF that my kid would be considered in the fall of 2021. I subsequently discovered that a player from the 2005 birth year was Playing Up on the YNT as opposed to being evaluated for the YNT when she was 11.

So, can you please explain how an 11 year old is playing up on the YNT when scouting told me the evaluation process begins at 14?

 

[what-happened]

[QUOTE="timmyh, post: 408221, member: 1743] she entered the process and excelled.

EXACTLY!

Also, didn’t make the u17 roster at 11….
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This is what has me confused.

 

[soccersc]

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was nefarious. In my email communications with USSF, I was told that 11 year olds do not qualify to be evaluated as they are too young. I was explicitly told by scouting at USSF that my kid would be considered in the fall of 2021. I subsequently discovered that a player from the 2005 birth year was Playing Up on the YNT as opposed to being evaluated for the YNT when she was 11.

So, can you please explain how an 11 year old is playing up on the YNT when scouting told me the evaluation process begins at 14?

Do you really feel by asking that question you are going to get a valid answer? Are you looking for validation for how you feel? I am not sure what you are trying to get asking the same question over and over from a group of parents and a few coaches? Is someones explanation from this forum going to do for you? It's odd dude!

I'll explain to you like this...you probably are never going to know... and any explanation someone on here has, or will give you, will just be a guess or a theory. The only people that can answer that question for you are the ones that made the decision. Kinda ridiculous to keep asking

 

[timmyh]

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was nefarious. In my email communications with USSF, I was told that 11 year olds do not qualify to be evaluated as they are too young. I was explicitly told by scouting at USSF that my kid would be considered in the fall of 2021. I subsequently discovered that a player from the 2005 birth year was Playing Up on the YNT as opposed to being evaluated for the YNT when she was 11.

So, can you please explain how an 11 year old is playing up on the YNT when scouting told me the evaluation process begins at 14?

Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.

 

[dad4]

Cool. But, according to established precedent my kid should have a starting position on the U17 YNT already. I am looking for a detailed explanation about the disparity between my player and others so all will be crystal clear before we proceed to avoid any further confusion.

I don’t think Solar will help as the same disparities that I am complaining about apply to their star 2004 player Jaedyn Shaw.

I’m curious as to how their star 2004 player was moved out of her preferred #10 position on the YNT for a younger less athletic player (see concacaf U15 championship v. Mexico);

I’m also curious as to why leadership at Solar hasn’t helped Shaw go pro through Houston Dash with Generation Adidas? Or helped her sign a 9 year deal with Nike? Or a least raised the possibility that there may be something sinister about that UNC offer (ie hush money)?

In short, I think Solar needs to do less marketing of Shaws accomplishments and role up their sleeves and do some advocacy before her statue of limitations runs.

You’ve already told us that your daughter is an above-YNT caliber soccer player who is going to finish grad school at 18 in a STEM field.

That’s certainly possible. Bill Bradley was amazing in multiple fields. Maybe she is, too. If it’s true, good for her. We will see her name in the papers eventually.

But it seems far more likely that you got the parent goggles with the coke bottle lenses.

 

[MacDre]

Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.

Wrong. How can staff identify an 11 year old unicorn for evaluation when the process doesn’t begin until they are 14? What criteria did the scout use to determine she was a unicorn at 11 and start the evaluation process early? When the the scout and criteria used to qualify the 2005 player as a unicorn are identified, we can evaluate if my player also qualifies under the “top secret unicorn” evaluation process.

 

[MacDre]

You’ve already told us that your daughter is an above-YNT caliber soccer player who is going to finish grad school at 18 in a STEM field.

That’s certainly possible. Bill Bradley was amazing in multiple fields. Maybe she is, too. If it’s true, good for her. We will see her name in the papers eventually.

But it seems far more likely that you got the parent goggles with the coke bottle lenses.

I am talking about a kid that’s been given the nod be Cal, FSU, and Xolo’s. Three separate and distinct organizations that have nothing to do with the other. I think the FSU coach is a former YNT coach. If it’s a lie, the above mentioned coaches told it.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Wrong. How can staff identify an 11 year old unicorn for evaluation when the process doesn’t begin until they are 14? What criteria did the scout use to determine she was a unicorn at 11 and start the evaluation process early? When the the scout and criteria used to qualify the 2005 player as a unicorn are identified, we can evaluate if my player also qualifies under the “top secret unicorn” evaluation process.

That’s easy…because she was identified while playing in a “letter league” playing up 2 years against kids that were entering the process. Not to mention it is more likely that Coaches from that letter league contacted US Soccer on her behalf and had them watch games.

You say you want equal opportunity yet demand special treatment.

Good luck to you and your player.

 

[MacDre]

Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.

Let’s not speculate. How about I post USSF’s official response upon receipt?

 

[MacDre]

That’s easy…because she was identified while playing in a “letter league” playing up 2 years against kids that were entering the process. Not to mention it is more likely that Coaches from that letter league contacted US Soccer on her behalf and had them watch games.

You say you want equal opportunity yet demand special treatment.

Good luck to you and your player.

Let’s not speculate. How about I post USSF’s official response upon receipt?

 

[MicPaPa]

Fair enough on the "nefarious" characterization. My apology.

If we go ahead with your narrative as being true (and I still don't concede that it is), then I assume a few years ago the YNT Staff identified a unicorn that necessitated an exception to the standard process. Whether they were ultimately right or wrong, that flexibility in light of uncovering something deemed potentially special is probably a really good thing.

I also assume, given your narrative, you've made the same YNT Staff aware of your daughter and her quality. I suppose the most logical explanation for why she isn't penciled in as a starter for the U17s is that they have determined that she isn't a unicorn, but rather that she needs to go through the same (well documented and communicated) process as every other aspiring YNT player in the country.

Perhaps they are wrong about your kid and you are correct that she might be a generational talent (I have no idea and have never heard of her or seen her play), but from a distance I've yet to see where and how she is getting screwed over and legal action is necessary.

I'm sure it goes something like this: "of course you don't see it because your white privilege won't allow you to see it."

I commend you for trying to deal rationally with an irrational premise...but, when one comes from a cultural upbringing of race hustle and victim mentality, it is all one will ever know, or care to know.

Good luck!

 

[soccersc]

Let’s not speculate. How about I post USSF’s official response upon receipt?

Then there is no purpose in asking the question!!!!

 

[MacDre]

Do you really feel by asking that question you are going to get a valid answer? Are you looking for validation for how you feel? I am not sure what you are trying to get asking the same question over and over from a group of parents and a few coaches? Is someones explanation from this forum going to do for you? It's odd dude!

I'll explain to you like this...you probably are never going to know... and any explanation someone on here has, or will give you, will just be a guess or a theory. The only people that can answer that question for you are the ones that made the decision. Kinda ridiculous to keep asking

Absolutely not. I feel like lots of the commenters “have a dog in the fight” so, I’m just having fun with it.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Let’s not speculate. How about I post USSF’s official response upon receipt?

If you’d like, go right ahead. But also post the letter you sent to them that they are responding to. Allow us to have complete context.

 

[MacDre]

I'm sure it goes something like this: "of course you don't see it because your white privilege won't allow you to see it."

I commend you for trying to deal rationally with an irrational premise...but, when one comes from a cultural upbringing of race hustle and victim mentality, it is all one will ever know, or care to know.

Good luck!

Does white privilege exist?

 

[MicPaPa]

If you’d like, go right ahead. But also post the letter you sent to them that they are responding to. Allow us to have complete context.

Allow me to sum up his letter for you:

"blah, blah RACIST! ...blah, blah RACIST!"

That's his game in a nutshell.

 

[MacDre]

Allow me to sum up his letter for you:

"blah, blah RACIST! ...blah, blah RACIST!"

That's his game in a nutshell.

Does white privilege exist?

 

[soccersc]

Does white privilege exist?

By asking the question you are creating the problem! If we continue to tell that to our kids there is "white privilege," we are incentivizing mediocrity.... because what is the point of trying to excel if millions of non-whites are doomed from the start?

And by the way economic status is a far more important determinant...money is the factor in privilege, not color! But if you want to look for the easy way out, and try and find excuses keep going down that same road you are traveling and you will get there fast! Your family, your friends and your environment all play huge roles in lifting you up or tearing you down. Even the nation in which you are born is a bigger contributing factor than skin color...so you have privilege too, much more privilege than most of the world....but of course you'd rather come up with the poor me excuse. Not good for you kid, dude! Don't set them up for failure before their journey already begins!