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nope. do your due diligence and protect yourself don't worry about what other people do. its their life at this point everyone knows the risks and can judge for themselves how much they want to risk
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I PM d you a link
Umm, I am a team manager too. And, we were not charged until recently, and we knew we were in all along. I know what I am talking about since it was my credit card. So looks like you may have been in the minority who had money charged and held since most teams were not accepted until recently.
Especially terrifying for my wife who they also Od'd on morphine and had to give narcan. Yep shit show. Fortunately no permanent physical damage to my daughter. Awesome care in the NICU. She is a perfectly normal, healthy and smart 17 year old. Just had a rough start.Omg - I'm assuming that everything ended up okay--that sounds terrifying.
Just in case anyone is following along, the link he sent actually said that hospitals are getting reimbursed for Covid patients via the CARES ACT. Which is common knowledge and no one is disputing.
what we ARE disputing is that hospitals are lying about covid cases in order to make money which the article he linked actually said isn’t true. Lol.
and then I linked a handful of articles with data showing how hospitals are losing money in huge amounts due to covid.
hospitals aren’t using covid to make money. This isn’t unclear.
from the article he sent me (disproving his own point
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."
Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.”
Of course it is a business for them. Why would anyone argue differently. They offer a service. We get to choose if we want to purchase it. If our kids mental health matters, and we feel soccer contributes to positive mental health, then we will make the decision best for our family. Soccer is being played all over the country with no Covid outbreaks. Entire falls seasons (both High School and Club) were played safely in other states.
Quit drinking the Faux News/OAN etc Kool Aid. If you think that a government fund is going to cover the cost of medical expenses you've had juan too many shots of tequila today. Yes hospitals are getting $$$ to treat medicare CV19 patients - very true. Are they profiting off of it - not even close. There are hospital systems all over this country who are down billions of dollars since March due to caring for CV19 patients. . It costs more to care for those patients. There is a cap on what the government provides. Since when is government in the business of providing a service worth it's value.
We can all claim to have that one person in the family who works in healthcare. I spend plenty of time in the Healthcare Logistics world each week. Take a "I have a family member in health care " poll - either all hell is breaking loose, beds are full, and there isn't a health care provider in sight OR birds are chirping and beds are empty because the virus is not real. The truth is somewhere in the middle but you can certainly plant your flag firmly on one side, doesn't bother me.
And the part about clubs cuddling up to each other and banding together in time of need - now you sound like the other side of the aisle, unicorns, pixies, and fairy dust. Clubs generally don't own fields in AZ - they belong to the city. The Santos and Paloma complexes may be the exception in AZ.
Just in case anyone is following along, the link he sent actually said that hospitals are getting reimbursed for Covid patients via the CARES ACT. Which is common knowledge and no one is disputing.
what we ARE disputing is that hospitals are lying about covid cases in order to make money which the article he linked actually said isn’t true. Lol.
and then I linked a handful of articles with data showing how hospitals are losing money in huge amounts due to covid.
hospitals aren’t using covid to make money. This isn’t unclear.
from the article he sent me (disproving his own point
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."
Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.”
Perhaps you have difficulty reading and comprehending so I can help if needed.
Hospital Payments and the COVID-19 Death Count - FactCheck.org
Q: Are hospitals inflating the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths so they can be paid more? A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting. FULL QUESTION Are hospitals getting 13,000 per patient if...
www.factcheck.org
How about those premiere league games today huh snowflake? Some great champions league games also last week. Only little over 3 weeks till surf cup to... cant wait....how about you? Excited for some great soccer play?
Accepted to original Surf in May, paid in May, monies continuously rolled over to new scheduled date.
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I don't think anyone knows for certain that soccer tournaments do or did not contribute to the spread of Covid 19. I do know that Covid 19 spread and there were soccer tournaments therefore it is likely that some people at tournaments had Covid 19 at the tournaments or became infected at the tournaments. Soccer players have tested positive so you can't say none of them got it when in a group of players or families at a tournament. I would agree that it is so widespread that you cannot say that the tournaments caused it.
CDPH does not necessarily say not to go to soccer tournaments. CDPH says, don't travel out of your area as it contributes to the spread. They also say that if you leave the state you should quarantine for 14 days upon your return. I am not necessarily arguing against the tournaments as they are a local event that teams in Phoenix can choose to attend. I am saying if you do decide to go then you should follow the rules and isolate as they say to do. Go ahead and take your chances, just don't put the rest of us at risk because you just had to take your child to another state to go play a few soccer games. I think that the residents of Arizona, more specifically Phoenix, would also appreciate it if people didn't travel to Phoenix without quarantining.
I agree that the risk of catching covid as a player due to contact with an opponent is likely very low and wish CA would let teams play locally ( within their county) without any interaction between the parents.
CDPH does not necessarily say not to go to soccer tournaments. CDPH says, don't travel out of your area as it contributes to the spread. They also say that if you leave the state you should quarantine for 14 days upon your return. I am not necessarily arguing against the tournaments as they are a local event that teams in Phoenix can choose to attend. I am saying if you do decide to go then you should follow the rules and isolate as they say to do. Go ahead and take your chances, just don't put the rest of us at risk because you just had to take your child to another state to go play a few soccer games. I think that the residents of Arizona, more specifically Phoenix, would also appreciate it if people didn't travel to Phoenix without quarantining.
I agree that the risk of catching covid as a player due to contact with an opponent is likely very low and wish CA would let teams play locally ( within their county) without any interaction between the parents.
Chalklines
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Anything u little should be cancled. Period
Frank
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This is the text of the email I received as to inquiring whether teams could attend the tourney. I think this is pretty clear.
"Teams are not covered by insurance and the activity is not sanctioned by Cal South so they are participating independently. Cal South will not discipline individuals and not cover any risk.
If anything happens it will fall on the coach and club independently."
oh canada
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No point in engaging bigots and morons, especially bigots who are morons. Give you credit for trying but I prefer the ignore buttonJust in case anyone is following along, the link he sent actually said that hospitals are getting reimbursed for Covid patients via the CARES ACT. Which is common knowledge and no one is disputing.
what we ARE disputing is that hospitals are lying about covid cases in order to make money which the article he linked actually said isn’t true. Lol.
and then I linked a handful of articles with data showing how hospitals are losing money in huge amounts due to covid.
hospitals aren’t using covid to make money. This isn’t unclear.
from the article he sent me (disproving his own point
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."
Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.”
Let me preface this by saying, I support Local Play with no interaction between parents. A lot of studies (real studies, not just the 5th grade level Surf study) has shown outdoor sports and transmission on the field of play is very rare and low risk overall. Prior to November, the state should have allowed local teams within 50 miles of each other to play games as long as the parents could be completely separated. CA state government did absolutely nothing to ease the pressure valve among rabid SoCal soccer parents and coaches, which has contributed to the current situation. I'll also throw some blame at the Federal government with both Congress and the White House. If they actually came together and passed a Covid Relief/Stimulus bill in the early fall like Wall-Street had expected, you wouldn't have big soccer clubs with large overheads feeling desperate to hold tournaments out of state on New Years in the height of a pandemic. So there's certainly enough blame to go around.
That said, Surf is making a huge mistake by trying to push forward. As others have mentioned, Surf will be needed with their credibility in tack to help get Local Play going in the spring. I know inside the soccer bubble Surf looks like a freedom fighter or Luke Skywalker trying to take the Empire down. But to the majority of outside observers, Surf just looks reckless, desperate and disrespectful to local communities which are battling a very real health crisis on their hands. Using "it's about the children!!" as a shield when it's really about the bottom line. Let's be real here.
Again, I agree rates of transmission and spread on the field are very low. But if you have anywhere from 30,000 - 60,000 people traveling to a local area from out of state for a tournament, you have to worry about how those 30-60k will interact with the local community. Do you think all those people will just stay quietly in their hotel quarantined and not interact with anyone? Remember these are the same people who are there in the first place because they're defying their own states restrictions, justified or not. It's probably a safe bet a percentage of those people will see the local AZ restrictions as government overreach as well. And Surf claims no responsibility for what Little Billy's pop pop does after the game gallivanting around town.
You can't conflate the proven safety of a soccer game with holding a multi-day large tournament event in height of the pandemic. The soccer is fine, it's the large event that's the problem. What's worse is that we're literally right around the corner from finally getting out of this mess with vaccines on the horizon Why risk the bad publicity and angering local AZ residents by forcing an unnecessary event? For the last several weeks covid has become the leading cause of death nationwide. And you better believe AZ politicians will use Surf as a scapegoat if cases continue to surge in January. I also wouldn't be surprised if a few local SoCal TV stations take note of thousands of CA residents going to a large out of state event in the midst of our most restrictive travel bans and issues of self-quarantining when they return come up. I think Surf needs to step outside the bubble and think this through a little more carefully. Focus on winning the war. The battle for Surf Cup 2020 is over. Stop beating a dead horse and give people their refund. We'll need Surf's credibility over the next 2-3 months. Surf Cup in the high desert always sounded absolutely ridiculous anyway. Take the "out" the AZ council gave you and move on.
As for the children, 2020 has been absolute nightmare for them. But if they've survived this long, they can go without a big soccer tournament for a couple more months. Also most clubs have been doing in-house scrimmages so there's ways to keep the kids active in the interim. When I was growing up, I usually only played 1-2 tournaments for the entire year and I didn't play in any tournaments under the age of 12, we did just fine. I think we tend to overstate the value of tournaments and turn our kids into snowflakes if they can't compete for meaningless medals in shortened poorly reffed games. Surf Cup is definitely one of the good tournaments, one of the best in normal circumstances. But these aren't normal circumstances so let's stop pretending they are.
That said, Surf is making a huge mistake by trying to push forward. As others have mentioned, Surf will be needed with their credibility in tack to help get Local Play going in the spring. I know inside the soccer bubble Surf looks like a freedom fighter or Luke Skywalker trying to take the Empire down. But to the majority of outside observers, Surf just looks reckless, desperate and disrespectful to local communities which are battling a very real health crisis on their hands. Using "it's about the children!!" as a shield when it's really about the bottom line. Let's be real here.
Again, I agree rates of transmission and spread on the field are very low. But if you have anywhere from 30,000 - 60,000 people traveling to a local area from out of state for a tournament, you have to worry about how those 30-60k will interact with the local community. Do you think all those people will just stay quietly in their hotel quarantined and not interact with anyone? Remember these are the same people who are there in the first place because they're defying their own states restrictions, justified or not. It's probably a safe bet a percentage of those people will see the local AZ restrictions as government overreach as well. And Surf claims no responsibility for what Little Billy's pop pop does after the game gallivanting around town.
You can't conflate the proven safety of a soccer game with holding a multi-day large tournament event in height of the pandemic. The soccer is fine, it's the large event that's the problem. What's worse is that we're literally right around the corner from finally getting out of this mess with vaccines on the horizon Why risk the bad publicity and angering local AZ residents by forcing an unnecessary event? For the last several weeks covid has become the leading cause of death nationwide. And you better believe AZ politicians will use Surf as a scapegoat if cases continue to surge in January. I also wouldn't be surprised if a few local SoCal TV stations take note of thousands of CA residents going to a large out of state event in the midst of our most restrictive travel bans and issues of self-quarantining when they return come up. I think Surf needs to step outside the bubble and think this through a little more carefully. Focus on winning the war. The battle for Surf Cup 2020 is over. Stop beating a dead horse and give people their refund. We'll need Surf's credibility over the next 2-3 months. Surf Cup in the high desert always sounded absolutely ridiculous anyway. Take the "out" the AZ council gave you and move on.
As for the children, 2020 has been absolute nightmare for them. But if they've survived this long, they can go without a big soccer tournament for a couple more months. Also most clubs have been doing in-house scrimmages so there's ways to keep the kids active in the interim. When I was growing up, I usually only played 1-2 tournaments for the entire year and I didn't play in any tournaments under the age of 12, we did just fine. I think we tend to overstate the value of tournaments and turn our kids into snowflakes if they can't compete for meaningless medals in shortened poorly reffed games. Surf Cup is definitely one of the good tournaments, one of the best in normal circumstances. But these aren't normal circumstances so let's stop pretending they are.
It was the Grand Daddy of all the tournaments back before age change. It just grew so big and so many teams were begging for entry. Clubs would use this as a recruiting tool as well. If a team was not accepted that year, then other Docs would look to poach and use the old, "Our teams get accepted to Surf and all the scouts say your goat must be at the Cup to be seen and you better join our club to be seen." To my dd and me, this was the big one. She has two champion surf cup medals, one runner up and two champion Thanksgiving Cup medals and one runner up. Throw in the Man City Cup and she has two more gold medals. No deal yet though so that has been tough. Oh well, life goes on and we have more things to worry about now
No point in engaging bigots and morons, especially bigots who are morons. Give you credit for trying but I prefer the ignore button
So like Take Off eeeehhhhh....lol...sorry no time to chat right now. Kid has full scrimmage today against a strong team. Gonna be great to watch. Will send you some video later. Have a nice day in the bubble.
Very well said.
There’s is NO science showing soccer is a virus risk. NONE, ZILCH, NADA...Now suicides are running rampant everywhere, even a 6th grader on zoom in front of his Classmates blew his brains out..Congrats to the basement dwellers for understanding mental health issues and the impact.
And this dad lost it yesterday in Socal.......
Father Arrested After Allegedly Decapitating Daughter and Son Over COVID-19 Stress
A personal trainer in Southern California was arrested after his children were found decapitated in their home on Friday.
lawandcrime.com
Father Arrested After Allegedly Decapitating Daughter and Son Over COVID-19 Stress
the issue with surf cup is the stay to play requirement- hotels are in the top 5 places COVID is spread and those account for 90 percent of non family transmission