Surf Cup's Fate

[Lavey29]

Sound familiar?

YOUTH SOCCER'S FAMED SURF CUP IS ON FOR SUMMER 2020 • SoccerToday

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Oh boy, I know this announcement is really hard for you to accept because you put so much time and effort into explaining why Surf cup was canceled this year but look at the bright side ok? You are safe and sound inside your isolation bubble and you can still see a lot of the great matches with the top teams via video. They may even have live stream going. If you close your eyes and listen to the sounds of kids enjoying playing the sport they love all the hurt feelings you are experiencing now will go away.

 

[Lavey29]

Yea, not happening. RSL - AZ may be interested but many clubs will likely not lift a finger to help administrate this thing. This is a nice to have, not a must have. The collateral damage of having Surf could jeopardize AZ run tournaments in FEB. I would wager that many AZ clubs wouldn't have their feelings hurt if Surf just went away.
Every public health official in AZ is saying this is a bad idea. ICU beds today are at 92%. Cannon fodder for our media. Hospitals don't make as much money when their ICU beds are full of CV19 patients. They are screaming about this as well, but don't be mistaken, they are screaming because they don't want to draw down on elective surgeries and have to expand bed capacity. Spend money to not make money is not their thing.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Surf is just being an a$$hole and a bully. And it goes without saying that I am a fan of playing.

Boy are you misinformed. Hospitals make way more money with covid patients with federal reimbursement. That's why everyone tests positive and dies from covid even if you get shot in a robbery. Have plenty of family in medical and they all said the China virus box gets checked yes for everyone no matter what. China virus very profitable for hospitals. I disagree with your club opinion also. My experience tells me that when it comes to clubs helping each other such as participating in each others yearly tournaments or making some venues available for a weekend, etc... soccer becomes a tight knit group and collaboration makes for great youth soccer experiences.

 

[Lavey29]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You are out of your fucking mind.

Lavey29 said:
That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it.

They are working with RSL-AZ afaik, and in return RSL-AZ expects acceptance of their teams (now and in the future I'd expect).

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid.

 

[Lavey29]

And for more fun.....



As promised, the update......

Despite the City Council vote to close the REACH 11 Complex, we believe we have a solution and therefore Surf Cup AZ (youngers and olders) is ON! We still have the Scottsdale Sports Complex for our event and there is no indication that the venue will close.

We have had overwhelming support from our friends in AZ in providing us options to hold the event in and around the Phoenix area (in areas NOT closed) and therefore, we are sending staff to Phoenix this weekend to check out our options so we can formulate our plan.

That plan will be communicated to all of you early next week. We have a lot to adjust in a very short amount of time but we want to do everything we can to make sure we can get your players back out on the fields playing the game they love.

We continue to be sensitive to what's going on in CA and part of the plan will be options for teams that feel it's in their best interest to not travel to AZ for the events so please wait until we communicate our plan, and your options, early next week before making a decision.

We will also work with each of the cities on their COVID protocols, which may be different by venue and, once confirmed by city/venue, that information will be communicated as well.

As the ECNL event is ongoing in SC right now and TX teams continue on with their league seasons (as do many other states) we want the same for the players coming to our events too so we are choosing to move forward and offer the events!

Look for a detailed communication early next week!

Thank you for your continued support!

Thank you for posting the current information

 

[crush]

You have no clue about what I would do or not do. My daughter was born premature and had to be resuscitated at birth from a botched amnio by the doctor in addition to cutting her head open in the crash C section ( a scar she still has but fortunately hidden along her hairline). I could have easily walked away with $$$ but chose not to pursue the matter.

Wow, thanks for sharing. That is one hell of a fighter!!! My dd was all ready to go two days before her natural birth was supposed to happen. However, she kicked her legs off mommy's tummy and did a flip and we had a C section. Holy cow, that was insane and I didn't faint. All woman deserve our honor & respect. Go girls!!!!

 

[full90]

Boy are you misinformed. Hospitals make way more money with covid patients with federal reimbursement. That's why everyone tests positive and dies from covid even if you get shot in a robbery. Have plenty of family in medical and they all said the China virus box gets checked yes for everyone no matter what. China virus very profitable for hospitals. I disagree with your club opinion also. My experience tells me that when it comes to clubs helping each other such as participating in each others yearly tournaments or making some venues available for a weekend, etc... soccer becomes a tight knit group and collaboration makes for great youth soccer experiences.

Then they are either lying to you or complicit in fraud.

hospitals get federal funding for treating covid patients. That’s how hospitals get paid. If i have my knee repaired my insurance pays the hospital. If my dad does, Medicare pays the bill. That’s how hospitals work. Because treating covid patients means less elective surgeries and other issues that hospitals have to delay or reroute somewhere else, the CARes act is reimbursing for covid treatment.

If the “plenty” of family you have working in hospitals knows of hospitals erroneously checking the box for covid when it’s not true, that’s massive fraud and they should turn it in themselves because if they know and don’t do it, they are complicit.

hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now because of the loss of income on standard procedures. Getting reimbursed by the CARES act isn’t highly profitable. Your family is lying. And if they are checking boxes for covid when it isn’t true that’s Medicare fraud and it’s highly illegal.

and there’s no reimbursement if someone dies from covid. Regurgitating trumps insane rally propaganda is so tired. Do better.

 

[Lavey29]

Then they are either lying to you or complicit in fraud.

hospitals get federal funding for treating covid patients. That’s how hospitals get paid. If i have my knee repaired my insurance pays the hospital. If my dad does, Medicare pays the bill. That’s how hospitals work. Because treating covid patients means less elective surgeries and other issues that hospitals have to delay or reroute somewhere else, the CARes act is reimbursing for covid treatment.

If the “plenty” of family you have working in hospitals knows of hospitals erroneously checking the box for covid when it’s not true, that’s massive fraud and they should turn it in themselves because if they know and don’t do it, they are complicit.

hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now because of the loss of income on standard procedures. Getting reimbursed by the CARES act isn’t highly profitable. Your family is lying. And if they are checking boxes for covid when it isn’t true that’s Medicare fraud and it’s highly illegal.

and there’s no reimbursement if someone dies from covid. Regurgitating trumps insane rally propaganda is so tired. Do better.

I'm going in for hip replacement surgery this Tuesday. Thought I would have difficulty getting in for elective surgery at the hospital but nope schedule was wide open for me to choose and a private recovery room too. If I were you, do some research on hospital covid reimbursement and you will find some interesting statistics. I would post links but they seem to not like non soccer related links here. You are just misinformed so try and do a little better yourself.

 

[full90]

No do post the links. Or message me the links.

And one person scheduling an elective surgery and having options is one example. You understand that doesn’t make it universally true right? You know what anecdotal means?

hospitals are losing Billions (with a B) due to covid. This is really well known stuff my guy.

 

[Calisoccer11]

Not what I'm saying. Clubs have a responsibility to obtain liability insurance for tournaments. Parents need to take responsibility for their own choices and risks. I know its part of the entitlement culture to play the victim and look for someone to blame (with deep pockets or insurance), but I wish it would stop.

You have no clue about what I would do or not do. My daughter was born premature and had to be resuscitated at birth from a botched amnio by the doctor in addition to cutting her head open in the crash C section ( a scar she still has but fortunately hidden along her hairline). I could have easily walked away with $$$ but chose not to pursue the matter.

Omg - I'm assuming that everything ended up okay--that sounds terrifying.

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

I don’t understand this obsession with Surf Cup. What do ULittles gain from this tournament. Also how many college scouts will be attending during the holiday season? I understand that it’s viewed as a prestigious tournament but is it really?

 

[futboldad1]

Boy are you misinformed. Hospitals make way more money with covid patients with federal reimbursement. That's why everyone tests positive and dies from covid even if you get shot in a robbery. Have plenty of family in medical and they all said the China virus box gets checked yes for everyone no matter what. China virus very profitable for hospitals. I disagree with your club opinion also. My experience tells me that when it comes to clubs helping each other such as participating in each others yearly tournaments or making some venues available for a weekend, etc... soccer becomes a tight knit group and collaboration makes for great youth soccer experiences.

My kid’s been training and playing and I’m all
for having full outdoor sports and replacing Newsom ....but you come across like an uneducated loony and a full on racist on the regular.... keyboards sure do make little men brave

 

[Soccerfan2]

I don’t understand this obsession with Surf Cup. What do ULittles gain from this tournament. Also how many college scouts will be attending during the holiday season? I understand that it’s viewed as a prestigious tournament but is it really?

I agree with your sentiment. However, my girls just want to play, anywhere, anyhow. No prestige or college coaches required for enjoyment. Can’t play in California, so the appeal of surf cup this year for them is just hopefully some good, competitive games.

 

[Lavey29]

My kid’s been training and playing and I’m all
for having full outdoor sports and replacing Newsom ....but you come across like an uneducated loony and a full on racist on the regular.... keyboards sure do make little men brave

I apologize if you are butt hurt about something. I know snowflakes are delicate. That's terrific your kid is training and playing. All kids in youth sports should be training and playing and also in school. Really no reason for them not to be although a lot of schools are in session around the country and as we all know youth sports are happening all around the country also with the exception of certain socialist controlled states. Kids need to be active and they need to be in school.

 

[Jose has returned]

No, I just choose to teach my children that sometimes you have to make difficult decisions and not to let FOMO for them or their parents drive their decision. Surf had an overwhelming number of applicants because every other tournament in California was cancelled. Davis Legacy appears to have finally given up and decided all tournaments are cancelled until May 2021. Again, if people choose to act in their self interest and travel to AZ without respecting tomorrow's lockdown for Southern California it's their decision to make. All others ask is that they respect the guidelines and quarantine upon their return, including staying away from work, stocking up on food before they return, not attending school if their school has in person learning, and not attending training for 2 weeks. As for the tournament as a whole, sure they will still have some teams that can travel without going against their local health department guidelines, and if they do then go ahead and have a smaller tournament. Just don't be fooled into thinking they have anything other than their own financial interest in mind.

nope. do your due diligence and protect yourself don't worry about what other people do. its their life at this point everyone knows the risks and can judge for themselves how much they want to risk

 

[Lavey29]

No do post the links. Or message me the links.

And one person scheduling an elective surgery and having options is one example. You understand that doesn’t make it universally true right? You know what anecdotal means?

hospitals are losing Billions (with a B) due to covid. This is really well known stuff my guy.

I PM d you a link

 

[GT45]

Umm. I’m the manager of my team and I can assure you they charged our team when we were accepted to the original tournament That was supposed to be held in July. Our credit card was charged in June. They kept rolling over our acceptance and then for this new tournament they just gave us a coupon code that we used when we registered and they transfer the money over. I know what I’m talking about But Obviously you don’t.

Umm, I am a team manager too. And, we were not charged until recently, and we knew we were in all along. I know what I am talking about since it was my credit card. So looks like you may have been in the minority who had money charged and held since most teams were not accepted until recently.

 

[watfly]

Omg - I'm assuming that everything ended up okay--that sounds terrifying.

Especially terrifying for my wife who they also Od'd on morphine and had to give narcan. Yep shit show. Fortunately no permanent physical damage to my daughter. Awesome care in the NICU. She is a perfectly normal, healthy and smart 17 year old. Just had a rough start.

 

[full90]

I PM d you a link

Just in case anyone is following along, the link he sent actually said that hospitals are getting reimbursed for Covid patients via the CARES ACT. Which is common knowledge and no one is disputing.

what we ARE disputing is that hospitals are lying about covid cases in order to make money which the article he linked actually said isn’t true. Lol.

and then I linked a handful of articles with data showing how hospitals are losing money in huge amounts due to covid.

hospitals aren’t using covid to make money. This isn’t unclear.

from the article he sent me (disproving his own point


The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."

Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.”

 

[GT45]

No, I just choose to teach my children that sometimes you have to make difficult decisions and not to let FOMO for them or their parents drive their decision. Surf had an overwhelming number of applicants because every other tournament in California was cancelled. Davis Legacy appears to have finally given up and decided all tournaments are cancelled until May 2021. Again, if people choose to act in their self interest and travel to AZ without respecting tomorrow's lockdown for Southern California it's their decision to make. All others ask is that they respect the guidelines and quarantine upon their return, including staying away from work, stocking up on food before they return, not attending school if their school has in person learning, and not attending training for 2 weeks. As for the tournament as a whole, sure they will still have some teams that can travel without going against their local health department guidelines, and if they do then go ahead and have a smaller tournament. Just don't be fooled into thinking they have anything other than their own financial interest in mind.

Of course it is a business for them. Why would anyone argue differently. They offer a service. We get to choose if we want to purchase it. If our kids mental health matters, and we feel soccer contributes to positive mental health, then we will make the decision best for our family. Soccer is being played all over the country with no Covid outbreaks. Entire falls seasons (both High School and Club) were played safely in other states.

 

[happy9]

Boy are you misinformed. Hospitals make way more money with covid patients with federal reimbursement. That's why everyone tests positive and dies from covid even if you get shot in a robbery. Have plenty of family in medical and they all said the China virus box gets checked yes for everyone no matter what. China virus very profitable for hospitals. I disagree with your club opinion also. My experience tells me that when it comes to clubs helping each other such as participating in each others yearly tournaments or making some venues available for a weekend, etc... soccer becomes a tight knit group and collaboration makes for great youth soccer experiences.

Quit drinking the Faux News/OAN etc Kool Aid. If you think that a government fund is going to cover the cost of medical expenses you've had juan too many shots of tequila today. Yes hospitals are getting $$$ to treat medicare CV19 patients - very true. Are they profiting off of it - not even close. There are hospital systems all over this country who are down billions of dollars since March due to caring for CV19 patients. . It costs more to care for those patients. There is a cap on what the government provides. Since when is government in the business of providing a service worth it's value.

We can all claim to have that one person in the family who works in healthcare. I spend plenty of time in the Healthcare Logistics world each week. Take a "I have a family member in health care " poll - either all hell is breaking loose, beds are full, and there isn't a health care provider in sight OR birds are chirping and beds are empty because the virus is not real. The truth is somewhere in the middle but you can certainly plant your flag firmly on one side, doesn't bother me.

And the part about clubs cuddling up to each other and banding together in time of need - now you sound like the other side of the aisle, unicorns, pixies, and fairy dust. Clubs generally don't own fields in AZ - they belong to the city. The Santos and Paloma complexes may be the exception in AZ.