Surf Cup's Fate

[whatithink]

No on the holding the money thing. Teams had to reapply no roll over.

Sure they make a decent profit on there tournaments but at this point hard to say that's there primary motivation.

They really want the kids to play and even referenced other events like ECNL Phx and others going on now and feel CA players should get some opportunities to do so also.

Surf Sports is a for profit company. They run the tournaments to make profit, the more the better. They have diluted their "brand" (best of the best) over the last few years specifically chasing profit - its been commented on multiple times by multiple posters on this forum. Their references to ECNL etc are marketing efforts.

That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it.

They are working with RSL-AZ afaik, and in return RSL-AZ expects acceptance of their teams (now and in the future I'd expect).

 

[ITFC Blues]

You do realize that it is the California Department of Public Health that is making the restrictions and Gavin Newsom is taking their recommendation? The CDPH is asking people to act for the greater good and not to make decisions based on their personal desires. The issue is not reality with the playing of games. The issue is with people leaving their local area and spreading the virus to other areas, or bringing it back from another area. If people have to skip a meaningless soccer tournament that's not a huge sacrifice. All of the tournaments are diluted and don't reflect reality so they are not a measure of anything right now. Players aren't in condition, have guest players, are missing players, etc. Surf keeps saying the coaches requested the tournament and that's why they are holding it, which I find hard to believe. This is about Surf and their financial needs and their ego. People can go ahead and ignore the state's order / request but should at least respect the request to quarantine for 14 days upon their return, and stay in their house for the full 14 days. Stock up on groceries in Arizona and bring them home and shut the door.

 

[Jose has returned]

I actually think Surf is totally in the wrong to have this… Hospital capacity in Arizona is at max and healthcare workers are screaming for relief. I’m not a Covid shut in fanatic, think so much about Covid is overblown, and think that many of the lockdowns are absolutely ridiculous… But really in the middle of this to be holding a tournament when healthcare workers in Arizona are at their breaking limit is really just a slap in the face to them.

if they all travel from out of state they won't be AZ problem

 

[socalkdg]

Shutting down outdoor sports is increasing the spread of the virus. Family get together with friends and watch the kids play. Very little chance of spreading based on data. Now they can't go outside. Some may just stay in their home and isolate. But we know for a fact that this doesn't always happen. Others will bring that group that was going to spend time together outside indoors to their homes. We see that happening as the weather is getting colder cases are going up because people are heading indoors. People are social and many will get together with friends and relatives.


"And if there is one thing we can definitively state, it’s that this virus is much, much less likely to spread outdoors than in. For example, in a study of 7,324 Chinese case reports, only two — part of the same transmission event — could be linked to outdoor settings. A database of more than 20,000 cases (including the 7,324 Chinese cases) found 461 that were associated with transmission in completely outdoor environments — predominantly crowded events like markets and rallies. Overall, only 6 percent of all the cases in that database were linked to events that were either totally or partially outdoors. The rest were tied to indoor events. That fact is actually why experts are concerned that fall and winter could lead to an increase in transmission — not because it’s colder, but because people are spending more time inside. "

 

[Kante]

Shutting down outdoor sports is increasing the spread of the virus. Family get together with friends and watch the kids play. Very little chance of spreading based on data. Now they can't go outside. Some may just stay in their home and isolate. But we know for a fact that this doesn't always happen. Others will bring that group that was going to spend time together outside indoors to their homes. We see that happening as the weather is getting colder cases are going up because people are heading indoors. People are social and many will get together with friends and relatives.


"And if there is one thing we can definitively state, it’s that this virus is much, much less likely to spread outdoors than in. For example, in a study of 7,324 Chinese case reports, only two — part of the same transmission event — could be linked to outdoor settings. A database of more than 20,000 cases (including the 7,324 Chinese cases) found 461 that were associated with transmission in completely outdoor environments — predominantly crowded events like markets and rallies. Overall, only 6 percent of all the cases in that database were linked to events that were either totally or partially outdoors. The rest were tied to indoor events. That fact is actually why experts are concerned that fall and winter could lead to an increase in transmission — not because it’s colder, but because people are spending more time inside. "

where's the quoted statement from? (like it, and agree with it but curious about the cource)

 

[socalkdg]

where's the quoted statement from? (like it, and agree with it but curious about the cource)

What A Summer Of COVID-19 Taught Scientists About Indoor vs. Outdoor Transmission

Here we are, almost eight months into this pandemic, and it’s like you can’t even invite more than 150 people to sit next to each other unmasked in your rose ga…

fivethirtyeight.com

Rapid Scoping Review of Evidence of Outdoor Transmission of COVID-19

The COVID-19 pandemic is both a global health crisis, and a civic emergency for national governments, including the UK. As countries across the world loosen their lockdown restrictions, the assumption is generally made that the risk of COVID-19 transmission is lower outdoors, and this assumption...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[oh canada]

No on the holding the money thing. Teams had to reapply no roll over.

Good.

 

[Spfister]

if they all travel from out of state they won't be AZ problem

Understood. But their complaint is that we bring it in and infect their residents and then they are stuck with the infections.

 

[Jose has returned]

That was beautiful. Died laughing when @dad4 got mentioned. well done!

this is so funny of the 400 views i think I've done 300 of them

 

[Spfister]

Good.

THEY DID HOLD THE MONEY!! Teams has to reapply but the held the money and just applied that money to the new application. We paid back in May and have not seen one sent back.

 

[46n2]

Im optimistic and hope that they can make it happen for the kids (and us parents).

Quick question are they wording it correctly

YOU CANNOT GO OUT OF STATE or ITS RECOMMENDED NOT TO GO OUT OF STATE.

After to going to AZ multiple times, I believe it will happen , and if it gets cancelled I wont be suprised but Im a half full type of person.

Lastly this Natives FC place that everyone is going goo goo gaga over is 100% taking advantage of the money making opportunity presented to them and others(So whats the difference there) , Surf is no different , always been a fun tournament with goods teams and I hope it stay that way somehow.

I hope Surf can pull thru and and make it happen somehow.

 

[GT45]

THEY DID HOLD THE MONEY!! Teams has to reapply but the held the money and just applied that money to the new application. We paid back in May and have not seen one sent back.

Nah that is not true. They only posted it on credit cards the past few weeks as they accepted teams to the January event. They never charged for the earlier event. If you were not accepted you never were charged. Let's not post untruths.

 

[46n2]

and good for Natives FC as well, not knocking them just at all. If I was smart Id open a facility with 6 futsal fields in OC and copy US5 and charge every thru the nose .

 

[GT45]

You do realize that it is the California Department of Public Health that is making the restrictions and Gavin Newsom is taking their recommendation? The CDPH is asking people to act for the greater good and not to make decisions based on their personal desires. The issue is not reality with the playing of games. The issue is with people leaving their local area and spreading the virus to other areas, or bringing it back from another area. If people have to skip a meaningless soccer tournament that's not a huge sacrifice. All of the tournaments are diluted and don't reflect reality so they are not a measure of anything right now. Players aren't in condition, have guest players, are missing players, etc. Surf keeps saying the coaches requested the tournament and that's why they are holding it, which I find hard to believe. This is about Surf and their financial needs and their ego. People can go ahead and ignore the state's order / request but should at least respect the request to quarantine for 14 days upon their return, and stay in their house for the full 14 days. Stock up on groceries in Arizona and bring them home and shut the door.

Surf had a an overwhelming number of applications. Teams want to go. If your team is not in shape, maybe your kids/coach need to get after it. My kid's team is just fine. Played games, healthy. Properly trained. No need for guest players. Attendance is nearly perfect. It sounds like your team was not accepted and you are now sour grapes. Kids mental health is worth a lot to people. If Newsom let us play games in state we would not have to leave. He is pushing us to travel.

 

[Chalklines]

Im optimistic and hope that they can make it happen for the kids (and us parents).

Quick question are they wording it correctly

YOU CANNOT GO OUT OF STATE or ITS RECOMMENDED NOT TO GO OUT OF STATE.

After to going to AZ multiple times, I believe it will happen , and if it gets cancelled I wont be suprised but Im a half full type of person.

Lastly this Natives FC place that everyone is going goo goo gaga over is 100% taking advantage of the money making opportunity presented to them and others(So whats the difference there) , Surf is no different , always been a fun tournament with goods teams and I hope it stay that way somehow.

I hope Surf can pull thru and and make it happen somehow.

Just wait until CNN runs with the story again. The liberal media will be seeking jail time for the Directors of Surf Cup.

 

[watfly]

You are completely missing the point, which was about the insurance to cover the inevitable lawsuits that come out of random situations. YOU are not a special little snowflake who everyone else should look up to with their behavior because once it's your kid, guess what, all of these words that you're typing to desperately defend shitty tournament directors, all of those words go out the window.

Please stop trying to stick up for con men.

Not what I'm saying. Clubs have a responsibility to obtain liability insurance for tournaments. Parents need to take responsibility for their own choices and risks. I know its part of the entitlement culture to play the victim and look for someone to blame (with deep pockets or insurance), but I wish it would stop.

You have no clue about what I would do or not do. My daughter was born premature and had to be resuscitated at birth from a botched amnio by the doctor in addition to cutting her head open in the crash C section ( a scar she still has but fortunately hidden along her hairline). I could have easily walked away with $$$ but chose not to pursue the matter.

 

[happy9]

I do agree the surf tournament directors will be somewhat logistically challenged but I'm sure they will receive coordinated help from the Arizona clubs. That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it. It really is a united overall effort around the country to make youth soccer successful and a positive experience for the kids. Even more so now with the China virus

Yea, not happening. RSL - AZ may be interested but many clubs will likely not lift a finger to help administrate this thing. This is a nice to have, not a must have. The collateral damage of having Surf could jeopardize AZ run tournaments in FEB. I would wager that many AZ clubs wouldn't have their feelings hurt if Surf just went away.
Every public health official in AZ is saying this is a bad idea. ICU beds today are at 92%. Cannon fodder for our media. Hospitals don't make as much money when their ICU beds are full of CV19 patients. They are screaming about this as well, but don't be mistaken, they are screaming because they don't want to draw down on elective surgeries and have to expand bed capacity. Spend money to not make money is not their thing.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Surf is just being an a$$hole and a bully. And it goes without saying that I am a fan of playing.

 

[ITFC Blues]

Surf had a an overwhelming number of applications. Teams want to go. If your team is not in shape, maybe your kids/coach need to get after it. My kid's team is just fine. Played games, healthy. Properly trained. No need for guest players. Attendance is nearly perfect. It sounds like your team was not accepted and you are now sour grapes. Kids mental health is worth a lot to people. If Newsom let us play games in state we would not have to leave. He is pushing us to travel.

No, I just choose to teach my children that sometimes you have to make difficult decisions and not to let FOMO for them or their parents drive their decision. Surf had an overwhelming number of applicants because every other tournament in California was cancelled. Davis Legacy appears to have finally given up and decided all tournaments are cancelled until May 2021. Again, if people choose to act in their self interest and travel to AZ without respecting tomorrow's lockdown for Southern California it's their decision to make. All others ask is that they respect the guidelines and quarantine upon their return, including staying away from work, stocking up on food before they return, not attending school if their school has in person learning, and not attending training for 2 weeks. As for the tournament as a whole, sure they will still have some teams that can travel without going against their local health department guidelines, and if they do then go ahead and have a smaller tournament. Just don't be fooled into thinking they have anything other than their own financial interest in mind.

 

[oh canada]

Sound familiar?

YOUTH SOCCER'S FAMED SURF CUP IS ON FOR SUMMER 2020 • SoccerToday

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www.soccertoday.com

 

[Spfister]

Nah that is not true. They only posted it on credit cards the past few weeks as they accepted teams to the January event. They never charged for the earlier event. If you were not accepted you never were charged. Let's not post untruths.

Umm. I’m the manager of my team and I can assure you they charged our team when we were accepted to the original tournament That was supposed to be held in July. Our credit card was charged in June. They kept rolling over our acceptance and then for this new tournament they just gave us a coupon code that we used when we registered and they transfer the money over. I know what I’m talking about But Obviously you don’t.