Surf Cup's Fate

[lafalafa]

Good use of words and I appreciate your resistance to being a sheep. And yes, plenty of OK soccer venues throughout the valley. The reality is, none compare to Reach, except maybe Scottsdale Sports complex (within the phoenix metro area), which has less fields by far. There are others that have good field surfaces, there are many that aren't currently being maintained and have dead grass.

They will be challenged to get this in (I'm a realist). Quality of fields is a big deal (maybe). If they pull it off, I have a player who will play, the other will sit this one out. If they don't pull it off, that's fine also. I'll enjoy a new year's eve weekend not having to worry about a soccer tournament. Heaven knows I've been to many and have many more coming my way.

good luck.

I just hope surf doesn't pull the rainout surprise and tell everyone at at the last minute that due to field availability teams will getting two shortened games with 20min half's.

Nothing like spending the big bucks and the whole weekend for 80min worth of soccer.

Lighted fields seem like a must given the time of year and number of teams.

 

[whatithink]

I just hope surf doesn't pull the rainout surprise and tell everyone at at the last minute that due to field availability teams will getting two shortened games with 20min half's.

Nothing like spending the big bucks and the whole weekend for 80min worth of soccer.

Lighted fields seem like a must given the time of year and number of teams.

All the Mesa fields I mentioned above have lights. If Mesa closes fields, they are done, IMO.

 

[Spfister]

I actually think Surf is totally in the wrong to have this… Hospital capacity in Arizona is at max and healthcare workers are screaming for relief. I’m not a Covid shut in fanatic, think so much about Covid is overblown, and think that many of the lockdowns are absolutely ridiculous… But really in the middle of this to be holding a tournament when healthcare workers in Arizona are at their breaking limit is really just a slap in the face to them.

 

[watfly]

Do you remember the reports of the guy supposedly possessing a gun at Galway Downs? Do you think the tournament offered effective enough security to prevent that? Do you think that there are families who believed that the tournament didn't offer effective enough security? There's your answer. I'm not talking covid, I'm talking about run of the mill day to day tournament liability. This kind of random shit happens way way way more often than you think. Basically every time you hear an ambulance pull up, guess what's going to happen.

Do you really expect that level of security at a soccer tournament? So strictly controlled access points with metal detectors and bag inspection? Get ready to pay 50x more for a soccer tournament. Personally I'd rather assume the risk, pay regular tournament prices and not look for someone else to blame for my choices and for things that are realistically out of a 3rd parties control.

To answer your question about guess what's going to happen? You're obviously going to pursue the tournament's insurance and/or sue.

 

[Lavey29]

Good use of words and I appreciate your resistance to being a sheep. And yes, plenty of OK soccer venues throughout the valley. The reality is, none compare to Reach, except maybe Scottsdale Sports complex (within the phoenix metro area), which has less fields by far. There are others that have good field surfaces, there are many that aren't currently being maintained and have dead grass.

They will be challenged to get this in (I'm a realist). Quality of fields is a big deal (maybe). If they pull it off, I have a player who will play, the other will sit this one out. If they don't pull it off, that's fine also. I'll enjoy a new year's eve weekend not having to worry about a soccer tournament. Heaven knows I've been to many and have many more coming my way.

good luck.

Kid did a few work out sessions at the Scottsdale complex 2 months ago. I thought it was an excellent venue but yes a few more fields would be nice but when I drive around the cities outside of Phoenix I see a lot of quality soccer fields. Its apparent that region of Arizona appreciates and endorses their soccer really well. Probably why they field a number of top level competitive teams in the higher level leagues. I do agree the surf tournament directors will be somewhat logistically challenged but I'm sure they will receive coordinated help from the Arizona clubs. That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it. It really is a united overall effort around the country to make youth soccer successful and a positive experience for the kids. Even more so now with the China virus

 

[oh canada]

I actually think Surf is totally in the wrong to have this… Hospital capacity in Arizona is at max and healthcare workers are screaming for relief. I’m not a Covid shut in fanatic, think so much about Covid is overblown, and think that many of the lockdowns are absolutely ridiculous… But really in the middle of this to be holding a tournament when healthcare workers in Arizona are at their breaking limit is really just a slap in the face to them.

Either ego or financial impact (maybe both) is blinding Surf Cup execs from prudent decision-making now. It is not the time to fight for playing soccer. July through October was, and they did, and I give them credit for doing so. March/April will be as well. But trying to play now--in the midst of CA stay-at-home orders, non-essential travel bans, the biggest wave of cases yet in both CA and AZ, cities in AZ closing down fields, hospital beds filled to near capacity in both AZ and CA, a D1 college recruiting prohibition, and a guarantee of worse to come by Jan. 1--seriously damages their credibility for any future advocating in the best interest of the kids and diminishes their perception as a reputable outfit. They would be an important voice for all of us soccer families when it's time to try to get back local scrimmages and local league games in the Spring--guaranteed that will be a fight with Newsom too. But taking a stand now on this one tournament will complicate and weaken their future positions. City of Phoenix even gave them an out to use as explanation to the crazy soccer parent crowd, but it looks like they're not going to take it. Very indulgent, short-sighted, and lacking in business savvy.

Last, the local AZ drumbeat will just keep getting louder over the next several weeks with more sentiment like the following...

"All Arizona cities should follow the lead of Phoenix and cancel athletic tournaments because of the COVID-19 situation, a clinical leader at Arizona's largest health system says. "

Health leader: Other cities should follow Phoenix and cancel sports events because of COVID-19

Patient occupancy in January could reach 150% of Banner Health's licensed bed capacity, a leader at Arizona's largest health system says.

www.azcentral.com

Has Surf been holding Surf Cup team deposits since July? Hmmmm, if so, that adds another layer of intrigue but will save for another thread.

 

[lafalafa]

Either ego or financial impact (maybe both) is blinding Surf Cup execs from prudent decision-making now. It is not the time to fight for playing soccer. July through October was, and they did, and I give them credit for doing so. March/April will be as well. But trying to play now--in the midst of CA stay-at-home orders, non-essential travel bans, the biggest wave of cases yet in both CA and AZ, cities in AZ closing down fields, hospital beds filled to near capacity in both AZ and CA, a D1 college recruiting prohibition, and a guarantee of worse to come by Jan. 1--seriously damages their credibility for any future advocating in the best interest of the kids and diminishes their perception as a reputable outfit. They would be an important voice for all of us soccer families when it's time to try to get back local scrimmages and local league games in the Spring--guaranteed that will be a fight with Newsom too. But taking a stand now on this one tournament will complicate and weaken their future positions. City of Phoenix even gave them an out to use as explanation to the crazy soccer parent crowd, but it looks like they're not going to take it. Very indulgent, short-sighted, and lacking in business savvy.

Last, the local AZ drumbeat will just keep getting louder over the next several weeks with more sentiment like the following...

"All Arizona cities should follow the lead of Phoenix and cancel athletic tournaments because of the COVID-19 situation, a clinical leader at Arizona's largest health system says. "

Health leader: Other cities should follow Phoenix and cancel sports events because of COVID-19

Patient occupancy in January could reach 150% of Banner Health's licensed bed capacity, a leader at Arizona's largest health system says.

www.azcentral.com

Has Surf been holding Surf Cup team deposits since July? Hmmmm, if so, that adds another layer of intrigue but will save for another thread.

No on the holding the money thing. Teams had to reapply no roll over.

Sure they make a decent profit on there tournaments but at this point hard to say that's there primary motivation.

They really want the kids to play and even referenced other events like ECNL Phx and others going on now and feel CA players should get some opportunities to do so also.

 

[notintheface]

Do you really expect that level of security at a soccer tournament? So strictly controlled access points with metal detectors and bag inspection? Get ready to pay 50x more for a soccer tournament. Personally I'd rather assume the risk, pay regular tournament prices and not look for someone else to blame for my choices and for things that are realistically out of a 3rd parties control.

To answer your question about guess what's going to happen? You're obviously going to pursue the tournament's insurance and/or sue.

You are completely missing the point, which was about the insurance to cover the inevitable lawsuits that come out of random situations. YOU are not a special little snowflake who everyone else should look up to with their behavior because once it's your kid, guess what, all of these words that you're typing to desperately defend shitty tournament directors, all of those words go out the window.

Please stop trying to stick up for con men.

 

[notintheface]

I'm sure they will receive coordinated help from the Arizona clubs. That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You are out of your fucking mind.

 

[whatithink]

No on the holding the money thing. Teams had to reapply no roll over.

Sure they make a decent profit on there tournaments but at this point hard to say that's there primary motivation.

They really want the kids to play and even referenced other events like ECNL Phx and others going on now and feel CA players should get some opportunities to do so also.

Surf Sports is a for profit company. They run the tournaments to make profit, the more the better. They have diluted their "brand" (best of the best) over the last few years specifically chasing profit - its been commented on multiple times by multiple posters on this forum. Their references to ECNL etc are marketing efforts.

That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it.

They are working with RSL-AZ afaik, and in return RSL-AZ expects acceptance of their teams (now and in the future I'd expect).

 

[ITFC Blues]

You do realize that it is the California Department of Public Health that is making the restrictions and Gavin Newsom is taking their recommendation? The CDPH is asking people to act for the greater good and not to make decisions based on their personal desires. The issue is not reality with the playing of games. The issue is with people leaving their local area and spreading the virus to other areas, or bringing it back from another area. If people have to skip a meaningless soccer tournament that's not a huge sacrifice. All of the tournaments are diluted and don't reflect reality so they are not a measure of anything right now. Players aren't in condition, have guest players, are missing players, etc. Surf keeps saying the coaches requested the tournament and that's why they are holding it, which I find hard to believe. This is about Surf and their financial needs and their ego. People can go ahead and ignore the state's order / request but should at least respect the request to quarantine for 14 days upon their return, and stay in their house for the full 14 days. Stock up on groceries in Arizona and bring them home and shut the door.

 

[Jose has returned]

I actually think Surf is totally in the wrong to have this… Hospital capacity in Arizona is at max and healthcare workers are screaming for relief. I’m not a Covid shut in fanatic, think so much about Covid is overblown, and think that many of the lockdowns are absolutely ridiculous… But really in the middle of this to be holding a tournament when healthcare workers in Arizona are at their breaking limit is really just a slap in the face to them.

if they all travel from out of state they won't be AZ problem

 

[socalkdg]

Shutting down outdoor sports is increasing the spread of the virus. Family get together with friends and watch the kids play. Very little chance of spreading based on data. Now they can't go outside. Some may just stay in their home and isolate. But we know for a fact that this doesn't always happen. Others will bring that group that was going to spend time together outside indoors to their homes. We see that happening as the weather is getting colder cases are going up because people are heading indoors. People are social and many will get together with friends and relatives.


"And if there is one thing we can definitively state, it’s that this virus is much, much less likely to spread outdoors than in. For example, in a study of 7,324 Chinese case reports, only two — part of the same transmission event — could be linked to outdoor settings. A database of more than 20,000 cases (including the 7,324 Chinese cases) found 461 that were associated with transmission in completely outdoor environments — predominantly crowded events like markets and rallies. Overall, only 6 percent of all the cases in that database were linked to events that were either totally or partially outdoors. The rest were tied to indoor events. That fact is actually why experts are concerned that fall and winter could lead to an increase in transmission — not because it’s colder, but because people are spending more time inside. "

 

[Kante]

Shutting down outdoor sports is increasing the spread of the virus. Family get together with friends and watch the kids play. Very little chance of spreading based on data. Now they can't go outside. Some may just stay in their home and isolate. But we know for a fact that this doesn't always happen. Others will bring that group that was going to spend time together outside indoors to their homes. We see that happening as the weather is getting colder cases are going up because people are heading indoors. People are social and many will get together with friends and relatives.


"And if there is one thing we can definitively state, it’s that this virus is much, much less likely to spread outdoors than in. For example, in a study of 7,324 Chinese case reports, only two — part of the same transmission event — could be linked to outdoor settings. A database of more than 20,000 cases (including the 7,324 Chinese cases) found 461 that were associated with transmission in completely outdoor environments — predominantly crowded events like markets and rallies. Overall, only 6 percent of all the cases in that database were linked to events that were either totally or partially outdoors. The rest were tied to indoor events. That fact is actually why experts are concerned that fall and winter could lead to an increase in transmission — not because it’s colder, but because people are spending more time inside. "

where's the quoted statement from? (like it, and agree with it but curious about the cource)

 

[socalkdg]

where's the quoted statement from? (like it, and agree with it but curious about the cource)

What A Summer Of COVID-19 Taught Scientists About Indoor vs. Outdoor Transmission

Here we are, almost eight months into this pandemic, and it’s like you can’t even invite more than 150 people to sit next to each other unmasked in your rose ga…

fivethirtyeight.com

Rapid Scoping Review of Evidence of Outdoor Transmission of COVID-19

The COVID-19 pandemic is both a global health crisis, and a civic emergency for national governments, including the UK. As countries across the world loosen their lockdown restrictions, the assumption is generally made that the risk of COVID-19 transmission is lower outdoors, and this assumption...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[oh canada]

No on the holding the money thing. Teams had to reapply no roll over.

Good.

 

[Spfister]

if they all travel from out of state they won't be AZ problem

Understood. But their complaint is that we bring it in and infect their residents and then they are stuck with the infections.

 

[Jose has returned]

That was beautiful. Died laughing when @dad4 got mentioned. well done!

this is so funny of the 400 views i think I've done 300 of them

 

[Spfister]

Good.

THEY DID HOLD THE MONEY!! Teams has to reapply but the held the money and just applied that money to the new application. We paid back in May and have not seen one sent back.

 

[46n2]

Im optimistic and hope that they can make it happen for the kids (and us parents).

Quick question are they wording it correctly

YOU CANNOT GO OUT OF STATE or ITS RECOMMENDED NOT TO GO OUT OF STATE.

After to going to AZ multiple times, I believe it will happen , and if it gets cancelled I wont be suprised but Im a half full type of person.

Lastly this Natives FC place that everyone is going goo goo gaga over is 100% taking advantage of the money making opportunity presented to them and others(So whats the difference there) , Surf is no different , always been a fun tournament with goods teams and I hope it stay that way somehow.

I hope Surf can pull thru and and make it happen somehow.

 

[GT45]

THEY DID HOLD THE MONEY!! Teams has to reapply but the held the money and just applied that money to the new application. We paid back in May and have not seen one sent back.

Nah that is not true. They only posted it on credit cards the past few weeks as they accepted teams to the January event. They never charged for the earlier event. If you were not accepted you never were charged. Let's not post untruths.