Surf Cup's Fate

[Grace T.]

On a side note... Im curious if Cal South will eventually require a vaccination card for play moving into late 2021? That will be the next question moving forward for a return to everything.

Because a couple vaccines have hit snags (in testing or manufacturing), the time line for getting the kids vaccine approved and widely circulated is looking a little more shaky. My friend who's with the AAP said initially late spring. Now it's looking like maybe spring-late spring for the 17-18 year olds, late spring to early summer for children with a risk profile (like the Downs, cancer and diabetic kids), mid summer,-mid fall for all other kids....assuming there are no more hiccups in testing and manufacturing. It will be hard for schools and sports orgs to mandate it if it isn't widely available.

BTW, the timeline for testing infants and pregnant women is also dubious. If you know anyone who really wants a vaccine but is childbearing age, might not be the best time to consider taking that step.

 

[Grace T.]

Because a couple vaccines have hit snags (in testing or manufacturing), the time line for getting the kids vaccine approved and widely circulated is looking a little more shaky. My friend who's with the AAP said initially late spring. Now it's looking like maybe spring-late spring for the 17-18 year olds, late spring to early summer for children with a risk profile (like the Downs, cancer and diabetic kids), mid summer,-mid fall for all other kids....assuming there are no more hiccups in testing and manufacturing. It will be hard for schools and sports orgs to mandate it if it isn't widely available.

BTW, the timeline for testing infants and pregnant women is also dubious. If you know anyone who really wants a vaccine but is childbearing age, might not be the best time to consider taking that step.

Doctors weigh in on a COVID-19 vaccine timeline for small children and pregnant women

“A critical group for us to go ahead and make sure it’s very safe in…is obviously children.”

www.wivb.com

 

[dad4]

Why don't people understand its not the soccer at the tournament that's the problem? It's all the idiot parents who turn the weekend into a booze cruise and bar hop all weekend. Testings pointless before and testing afters pointless because only 1% of people going will actually self quarantine for two weeks after the tournament.

We're in the middle of a PANDEMIC with idiots who don't care. Bringing your kids into a hot spot like AZ right after Christmas travel is a joke for a watered down surf cup.

Who's really going to be at high risk are the olders playing New Years........yikes

On a side note... Im curious if Cal South will eventually require a vaccination card for play moving into late 2021? That will be the next question moving forward for a return to everything.

All true.

But I'd happily pay testing costs to give my kid a weekend with two local games. I promise to do all my celebratory drinking at home.

Realistically, I am waiting for spring.

 

[Grace T.]

All true.

But I'd happily pay testing costs to give my kid a weekend with two local games. I promise to do all my celebratory drinking at home.

Realistically, I am waiting for spring.

Maybe not. I just got the bill for testing for my son's soccer practice in the fall at his school. Because they were asking to limit public testing to the symptomatic or those with confirmed contact, I (perhaps foolishly) went the good citizen route and had the testing done during test day on campus by an independent lab. Insurance has declined since it wasn't medically necessary and was out of network (didn't want to take a healthy kid to an urgent care in network either where he could pick something up since particularly then we weren't sure if you could get COVID 2x). $1750 for 2 tests and the school wanted me to test him again for just 1 day of practice at the end (to which I said no way Jose).

 

[espola]

Why don't people understand its not the soccer at the tournament that's the problem? It's all the idiot parents who turn the weekend into a booze cruise and bar hop all weekend. Testings pointless before and testing afters pointless because only 1% of people going will actually self quarantine for two weeks after the tournament.

We're in the middle of a PANDEMIC with idiots who don't care. Bringing your kids into a hot spot like AZ right after Christmas travel is a joke for a watered down surf cup.

Who's really going to be at high risk are the olders playing New Years........yikes

On a side note... Im curious if Cal South will eventually require a vaccination card for play moving into late 2021? That will be the next question moving forward for a return to everything.

I have only been drunk at a soccer tournament parents' party twice, and they were both at the same tournament. (And I wasn't dancing on that table before I fell - I was merely trying to stack the empty beer cans in an artistic manner)

 

[happy9]

Testing people one moment in time whether they are positive wouldn't make a difference for me.

I see Surf as Big Tobacco. They have a product (event) that they KNOW carries elevated health risks for a large group of people yet they don't care about human health and lives because they need or want $$. They know by putting the product out there and advertising it with marketing puffery, people will come. There are thousands of youth soccer addicts, just as there are millions who can't stop sucking on their Marlboros. The medical community discourages smoking but Philip Morris ignores them. Surf likewise ignores the AZ and CA medical communities who vehemently plead to cancel because hospital beds are becoming as scarce as USMNT World Cup goals.

Just think about it for a bit before reacting...Surf wants you to: Come play a kids game, during the worst health crisis the world has seen in 100 years, in a location that now has the highest rate of spread in the entire country (source below), staying and eating in this location for several days, over the festive Xmas and New Year's Eve holidays no less, against the advice of almost all medical personnel, and in direct conflict with your state's travel and gathering orders (which also then require 14 days of self-quarantine upon return).

Please tell me what "corporate recklessness" means if that is not it.

Source: https://www.azfamily.com/news/conti...cle_355ab83c-3bfd-11eb-a0cd-5f61070a2e3e.html

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Here is some corporate responsibility. Truth be told, likely less altruism and more concern for their $$$$. But you get the point.

In other troubling news, more people in hospital beds today then ever, even more than July. ICU and inpatient beds at 91% capacity. For both categories, over 40% of each flavor of bed has a covid patient in it. The good news I'm told is that surge capacity is healthy and contracts are in place for additional staff, once freed from from the midwest surge. Interestingly enough, I don't get the sense of panic from the healthcare community. Many cities are only doing outpatient surgeries, which isn't good for the bottom line. Crazy environment right now.

What's good for Surf is that baseball tournaments in the west valley for this month have not been cancelled (Mesa, Fountain Hills, Chandler). The tournaments are capping attendance. In Chandler, 60 per field (includes teams, coaches,). Mesa and Fountain Hills are limiting it to 1 parent per player. Most of the teams are from AZ.

Barrett-Jackson to Reschedule Scottsdale Auction to March 2021 to Safeguard Customers, Sponsors and Guests

Barrett-Jackson will reschedule its January 2021 Scottsdale Auction to the week of March 22, 2021, at WestWorld of Scottsdale

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[happy9]

Maybe not. I just got the bill for testing for my son's soccer practice in the fall at his school. Because they were asking to limit public testing to the symptomatic or those with confirmed contact, I (perhaps foolishly) went the good citizen route and had the testing done during test day on campus by an independent lab. Insurance has declined since it wasn't medically necessary and was out of network (didn't want to take a healthy kid to an urgent care in network either where he could pick something up since particularly then we weren't sure if you could get COVID 2x). $1750 for 2 tests and the school wanted me to test him again for just 1 day of practice at the end (to which I said no way Jose).

Covid testing is a booming business right now. With school and club requirements for rona free proof, we've also spent a pretty penny the last few months.

 

[Glitterhater]

Maybe not. I just got the bill for testing for my son's soccer practice in the fall at his school. Because they were asking to limit public testing to the symptomatic or those with confirmed contact, I (perhaps foolishly) went the good citizen route and had the testing done during test day on campus by an independent lab. Insurance has declined since it wasn't medically necessary and was out of network (didn't want to take a healthy kid to an urgent care in network either where he could pick something up since particularly then we weren't sure if you could get COVID 2x). $1750 for 2 tests and the school wanted me to test him again for just 1 day of practice at the end (to which I said no way Jose).

This is part of the problem. At this juncture, 9 months in, these tests should pretty much be free. I know I shouldn't be surprised but yet, color me surprised that testing is still a hot mess.

 

[Grace T.]

This is part of the problem. At this juncture, 9 months in, these tests should pretty much be free. I know I shouldn't be surprised but yet, color me surprised that testing is still a hot mess.

They are free if you are willing to put in the time: 2.5 hours in Moorpark right before thanksgiving, 1.5 hours in Oxnard after thanksgiving break, and for niece 1.2 hours at Dodger Stadium with appointment. VC has been looking to add sites and capacity but is having problem finding people willing to do it and locations not NIMBYing

 

[dad4]

They are free if you are willing to put in the time: 2.5 hours in Moorpark right before thanksgiving, 1.5 hours in Oxnard after thanksgiving break, and for niece 1.2 hours at Dodger Stadium with appointment. VC has been looking to add sites and capacity but is having problem finding people willing to do it and locations not NIMBYing

SJ is going door to door in hot spots, offering free tests.

I think this is partly to find cases and partly to remind people it is real.

 

[Calisoccer11]

This is part of the problem. At this juncture, 9 months in, these tests should pretty much be free. I know I shouldn't be surprised but yet, color me surprised that testing is still a hot mess.

Maybe we've been lucky but my daughter has several tests done at various places offering free tests in LA with an appointment - no more than hour waiting. We have also done testing at a local medical emergency center and insurance has covered the tests.

 

[Calisoccer11]

Maybe not. I just got the bill for testing for my son's soccer practice in the fall at his school. Because they were asking to limit public testing to the symptomatic or those with confirmed contact, I (perhaps foolishly) went the good citizen route and had the testing done during test day on campus by an independent lab. Insurance has declined since it wasn't medically necessary and was out of network (didn't want to take a healthy kid to an urgent care in network either where he could pick something up since particularly then we weren't sure if you could get COVID 2x). $1750 for 2 tests and the school wanted me to test him again for just 1 day of practice at the end (to which I said no way Jose).

My son's school required testing after a fall break. It was $40. $1750 seems a bit outrageous.

 

[Kicker4Life]

My son's school required testing after a fall break. It was $40. $1750 seems a bit outrageous.

You can have someone come to your house and test you for the virus and the antigens for under $300

 

[Grace T.]

My son's school required testing after a fall break. It was $40. $1750 seems a bit outrageous.

Yes....yes it is. But it was also in September when the market was tighter and they were asking people not to use the public facilities unless sick, and it was a private driveup for the kids at school. They should have told me, though, if it wasn't going to be covered...there are going to be quite a few poed parents this week as I know many have the same (very good) insurance.

Even had I know though I probably would have still paid it (I was hospitalized at the time and had to have a relative take him, and it seemed unfair to have them go to an urgent care and risk getting sick especially after breaking isolation). You can get quicker public free appointments in VC and Los Angeles if you are willing to get out of your car....they just don't seem to be getting as many takers as the drive thrus sites.

 

[Grace T.]

You can have someone come to your house and test you for the virus and the antigens for under $300

Yeah now....not then.

 

[Own Goal]

This is part of the problem. At this juncture, 9 months in, these tests should pretty much be free. I know I shouldn't be surprised but yet, color me surprised that testing is still a hot mess.

In San Diego County there are free testing sites. If anyone is interested/in need SDSU's Alumni Center is a free testing site for the county - a friend went on Thursday and was in and out and got her test results on Friday.

My DD's team made the decision to pull out of Surf Cup last month. Initially I was really disappointed b/c I know the girls desperately want to play and we have a couple uncommitted 21's (and all our 22's) who really need game footage (and I mean come on - it's my daughter's senior year - I just want to see her play her last year of club). But now I don't think I would want to go with the current conditions. I'm all for letting the kids play and I hope in the start of the year we can start seeing SoCal teams playing each other without having to travel to another state to do so, but with so many teams/clubs pulling out I don't know if it would be worth the drive for low quality games for the olders. I would also worry about injuries. But that's just my opinion. I'm one who's been very cautious in our daily lives (based on sentiments on this site, I'm sure some would automatically assume I'm afraid to come out of my bubble), but I 110% support letting the kids play. My kids have been practicing and playing since June and I feel like soccer, along with other outdoor activities, is relatively low risk. I will also say that when my DD was a U little I never would have considered traveling for this tournament in the current climate. But again, that's just my opinion based on my experiences over the years.

 

[Calisoccer11]

Yes....yes it is. But it was also in September when the market was tighter and they were asking people not to use the public facilities unless sick, and it was a private driveup for the kids at school. They should have told me, though, if it wasn't going to be covered...there are going to be quite a few poed parents this week as I know many have the same (very good) insurance.

Even had I know though I probably would have still paid it (I was hospitalized at the time and had to have a relative take him, and it seemed unfair to have them go to an urgent care and risk getting sick especially after breaking isolation). You can get quicker public free appointments in VC and Los Angeles if you are willing to get out of your car....they just don't seem to be getting as many takers as the drive thrus sites.

In LA, you don't have to get out of your car-- At least at the sites my daughter has been at - I know Dodger Stadium was one place she went to. She was working in a restaurant and was so scared of getting Covid that she was getting tested quite frequently. That's the only reason I know.

 

[Glitterhater]

I think the testing does ebb and flow in terms of accessibility and availability. We tried getting tested this week, (all had symptoms,) and struck out locally. And that includes places like CVS, Walgreens, and Kaiser, (they had nothing local to us, but we could drive an hour out.) We finally were able to get tests in the next town over but man- why is it so crazy?!?

 

[Kicker4Life]

Yeah now....not then.

Had it done in May.

 

[ITFC Blues]

I wanted to get tested to verify I did not have it back in June before I travelled to PA for work ( for an essential sector construction project). I wanted to get tested at one of the free CA testing sites. When I signed up for an appointment ( required at the time) it requested my health insurance information. I did some basic research and found that if you have insurance they want to bill your insurance. No insurance and it was covered by relief funds. I decided I should check to see what my insurance would say if they were billed. I was told that my insurance would not pay for the test it was not required by a Dr. Well, I would have had to go see the Dr. (pay out of pocket for the office visit) just to get authorization from them to get tested and that was very difficult in June. I eventually gave up and didn't get tested. Free is not always free. Now, there is a 4 day wait for an appointment for the "free" testing.

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

They are free if you are willing to put in the time: 2.5 hours in Moorpark right before thanksgiving, 1.5 hours in Oxnard after thanksgiving break, and for niece 1.2 hours at Dodger Stadium with appointment. VC has been looking to add sites and capacity but is having problem finding people willing to do it and locations not NIMBYing

My daughter did an indoor soccer tournament in California during thanksgiving weekend. We had zero covid cases. We also went to a thanksgiving outdoor family lunch and.... 3 covid cases. $200 to get tested per person.