Surf Cup's Fate

[happy9]

So....you must be talking about olders, because scottsdale, a city you didn't name, is where surf cup will be for youngers. If 400 teams from youngers pulled out that would mean almost 100% of teams, which is easily false.

Which would be over christmas weekend. Have you seen a schedule for the youngers?

 

[happy9]

You guys crack me up , your saying watered down tournament , don't go, but for the last three months more than 3/4'rs of you have been driving 6 hours for fucking scrimmages?????


I hope it happens cause Id like to watch my kids play , but if it doesn't or my team decides not to go or my teams didnt get approved I will/would not be a hater like all of you . (which alot did , has anyone brought that up, maybe your team wasn't accepted they had to shrink the tournament multiple times)

You same people are going to shit talk all the winners too, guarantee'd Oh if my team was there, blah blah blah.


Seriously some of you guys are posers , like do you really think Surf isn't a great tournament? Maybe its changed up but its going to be better than anything else going on now, theres teams from all over that come to play (hopefully)

For as long as I can remember theres always been the shit talkers of Surf Cup and typically their lower level team that don't get accepted

ps. HS Soccer is purely for fun, the level of talent is no where near the club level unless the team is stacked 18 deep with club players.

Who is saying Surf isn't a great tournament?

 

[happy9]

So....you must be talking about olders, because scottsdale, a city you didn't name, is where surf cup will be for youngers. If 400 teams from youngers pulled out that would mean almost 100% of teams, which is easily false.

I didn't mention scottsdale because they haven't announced any field closures. I know nothing about youngers.

 

[MSK357]

Which would be over christmas weekend. Have you seen a schedule for the youngers?

Should be coming out in about a week or so. Surf cup is on and everything you said clearly doesn't apply to surf cup youngers. Or else you would have known all youngers games are in scottsdale.

 

[happy9]

Should be coming out in about a week or so. Surf cup is on and everything you said clearly doesn't apply to surf cup youngers. Or else you would have known all youngers games are in scottsdale.

What makes you think I didn't know? I live here and it's on the website, has been for some time. I don't have interest in discussing the fate of youngers Surf Cup. Their travel makes even less sense.

In two weeks, the media is going to be bat shit crazy with rise in cases and bed capacity. Let's have a tournament that brings in 400 teams and their families, coaches etc, and plop them into one or two zip codes. You think I'm anti surf, I'm trying to paint a picture of the local landscape and demonstrate what Surf is up against.

If they are able to pull off the youngers at one location, hats off to then. SSC has 10 large sided fields, 4 under lights. I haven't run a tournament, but I would guess that translates to 20 small sided fields with 8 under lights.

 

[MSK357]

What makes you think I didn't know? I live here and it's on the website, has been for some time. I don't have interest in discussing the fate of youngers Surf Cup. Their travel makes even less sense.

In two weeks, the media is going to be bat shit crazy with rise in cases and bed capacity. Let's have a tournament that brings in 400 teams and their families, coaches etc, and plop them into one or two zip codes. You think I'm anti surf, I'm trying to paint a picture of the local landscape and demonstrate what Surf is up against.

If they are able to pull off the youngers at one location, hats off to then. SSC has 10 large sided fields, 4 under lights. I haven't run a tournament, but I would guess that translates to 20 small sided fields with 8 under lights.

You didn't know, because you said so yourself that you know nothing about youngers.

As far as olders, according to you there will be basically 0 teams coming because "someone" told you 400 teams pulled out. Either you were talking out of your ass before, or you are now admitting they are actually coming. Which is it troll?

 

[Spfister]

I feel sorry for y'all out there.

I imagine if teams were getting to play local games (proving to be safe) there wouldn't be an insatiable desire to play a giant tournament where thousands of families will gather together indoors for several days when not playing games (proving to be unsafe).

This weekend is the final one for Texas ECNL in 2020. Got in 80% of the fall season without a single report of player to player transmission on the field in games or in the fully normal training sessions we've been doing since June. About 20% of games were rescheduled to the spring due to clubs being cautious (if a player or coach on any team was positive and had contact with others, a 14 day quarantine was enacted for the team). High school season is just now about to kick off.

Maybe we just got lucky, but playing the local/regional games has been perfectly fine. I would do it again, as would every other family in the conference whose girls got some slice of a semblance of normalcy through soccer, and believe it has been safe for those involved and for the communities where games were played.

But I would not be good with our team dropping in with hundreds of other teams in some community for a week. There is no way that isn't a potential big risk and a bad idea given all that is going on.

If there was more logic and reason being applied to letting people do safe outdoor activities locally, there wouldn't be this burning need for many to try and squeeze in Surf Cup or any risky major travel events, no matter the consequences.

Spoken by someone who’s kid has a normal soccer season and who’s kid hasn’t gone 9 months without playing a game. I bet if your kid was suffering like ours have in CA And not been able to play the sport they love and not been able to practice without staying 6 feet apart… You’d feel much differently about going to a tournament.

 

[GT45]

It is amazing how much people want to crap on Surf Cup, when all these same people ignore all of the tournaments that were played in Arizona over Thanksgiving weekend. I bet most of these people had kids playing in them too.

 

[GT45]

And ask for their deposit back which Surf, given the understanding and upstanding business that they are, will now no longer do.

Surf was very fair. They extended their timeframe for teams to back out and get a full refund to allow teams to evaluate their status. Let's not tell lies here. If you missed the deadline that is on you.

 

[STX]

Spoken by someone who’s kid has a normal soccer season and who’s kid hasn’t gone 9 months without playing a game. I bet if your kid was suffering like ours have in CA And not been able to play the sport they love and not been able to practice without staying 6 feet apart… You’d feel much differently about going to a tournament.

For sure. That was kinda the point I was trying to make.

 

[crush]

You guys crack me up , your saying watered down tournament , don't go, but for the last three months more than 3/4'rs of you have been driving 6 hours for fucking scrimmages?????


I hope it happens cause Id like to watch my kids play , but if it doesn't or my team decides not to go or my teams didnt get approved I will/would not be a hater like all of you . (which alot did , has anyone brought that up, maybe your team wasn't accepted they had to shrink the tournament multiple times)

You same people are going to shit talk all the winners too, guarantee'd Oh if my team was there, blah blah blah.


Seriously some of you guys are posers , like do you really think Surf isn't a great tournament? Maybe its changed up but its going to be better than anything else going on now, theres teams from all over that come to play (hopefully)

For as long as I can remember theres always been the shit talkers of Surf Cup and typically their lower level team that don't get accepted

ps. HS Soccer is purely for fun, the level of talent is no where near the club level unless the team is stacked 18 deep with club players.

This is classic 46. HS soccer was for fun but not anymore. CIF Gold baby!!! Take that to da bank girlfriend....lol!! Lot's of fun entertainment going on here at the socal soccer forum. I was so pissed when my dd original team ((before she started hopping around for free)) got snubbed by Surf Cup that SHE decided to go All Blue to make sure never to be snubbed again. Like Kicker said, the scouts look for individuals that can ball, not how many Surf Cups and Surf Thanksgiving Cups champion medals one has. My dd has 5 Gold and three runner ups. Who on these board have more then one Surf Cup Championship?

 

[46n2]

HS soccer is only fun because all club players get to be the goat on their team , lets be honest .

 

[Kicker4Life]

Spoken by someone who’s kid has a normal soccer season and who’s kid hasn’t gone 9 months without playing a game. I bet if your kid was suffering like ours have in CA And not been able to play the sport they love and not been able to practice without staying 6 feet apart… You’d feel much differently about going to a tournament.

I believe that is the entire point of their post.

 

[crush]

HS soccer is only fun because all club players get to be the goat on their team , lets be honest .

It was fun for my dd because she was new to a school and needed to make some good friends, quickly. She made Varsity as a FR and got to play with a UCLA bound super stud goat RT and played with other Srs and Jrs and she was taken care of by some really nice girls. It was fun and we made CIF two years in a row. Now, my dd get's to return the favor to the underclassman. All the girls who played GDA are now "eligible" to play and dont need to worry about getting caught. This will be great HS season for Socal, MOO!!!

 

[Lavey29]

Look, we'll all be back in August. A few, like GT45 are still going. I hope his family has some nice games.

But some people are trying to decide if it is worth the trip. If it is a watered down tournament, maybe they want to know that before they travel 500 miles for some 6-0 games.

Flip side, if your team is a bit weaker, maybe watered down sounds great.

But either way people would like to know what it is this year.

And that is fine. Each family should decide what is in their own best interest not the teams best interest. Let adults make their own adult decisions. If I had a young player, I would probably opt not to go due to cost and right in the middle of holiday time period. With an 03 junior player, it's a different decision as she contacts coaches and needs quality game footage to show them.

 

[happy9]

You didn't know, because you said so yourself that you know nothing about youngers.

As far as olders, according to you there will be basically 0 teams coming because "someone" told you 400 teams pulled out. Either you were talking out of your ass before, or you are now admitting they are actually coming. Which is it troll?

Ahh, another personal attack when the conversation doesn't fit your view of the world. At your convenience, browse through my posts. My discussion has always centered around the olders weekend. I don't have a younger player so no reason to address them. Maybe you do and thus your focus.

Isn't it funny, back in the day you would come to a forum like this to gain insight on things that you didn't have line of sight on. Now this has turned into drawing lines in the sand and planting flags.

I stand by the information I've received. It's either going to be accurate or not. The accuracy of the number doesn't really matter to me. I'm not being deposed nor am I testifying before congress about it - we are talking about a youth soccer tournament. Sounds like it matters to you. For the sake of discussing "Surf Cup's Fate", what resonates with me is that fact teams are dropping out at an alarming rate. If you can't at least admit that then it's impossible to have an honest debate about it. But feel free to call me a troll, if it makes you feel better.

Lucky for you, as of this morning, Scottsdale Sports Complex still shows as booked by Surf for 27-29 DEC.

 

[Lavey29]

You crack me up with your doctrinal words - sheep, China Virus, bubble. Isn't it ironic that you use the term sheep? At least you haven't used snowflake in awhile.

As far as "hearsay is concerned" I will concede that I'm not 100% sure about the 400 teams pulling. I'm confident in my source, which happens to have a direct line to Surf, but that number has yet to be confirmed. Here is some not hearsay:

1. City of Phoenix will not make fields available
2. City of Peoria will not make fields available
3. City of Tempe will not make fields available
4. Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa are not accepting field requests
6. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise are not allowing tournaments
7. 169 ICU beds available today, Banner Health Chief Clinical Officer projects they will reach capacity by end of week and be at 125% capacity next week. I'm not a rona hysteric but metrics matter to Surf's fate. The good rona news is that the fatality rate of those infected continues to drop, even with rising positivity rates. Good thing right?
8. AZ ECNL/GA teams are not participating
9. Looks like Norcal ECNL teams are not participating and a growing number of socal ECNL/GA teams are not participating.

I'm beginning to to think that you have zero connection to any club or youth futbol in general in socal. As a parent of players that have been playing against Surf teams for years, I have zero reason to trash talk Surf or wish them ill will. AZ players have benefited from playing Surf teams for as long as I can remember. The CA and AZ youth soccer landscape benefit when Surf is putting on top notch showcases that attracts the "best of the best".

In this case, this event will not be the best of the best, and they know it. It's unfortunate but I'm sure they will rebound and put on their Showcases over the summer or coordinate to have those moved out of state. Cross your fingers that a vaccine is deployed efficiently and that people take it.

So you admit no direct knowledge of 400 teams dropping out yet you post it anyway. Why would you do that? The only logical reason is because you enjoy trash talking surf. My kid will be there playing on 02/03 ECNL Composite team. I will gladly forward you some game footage and then you can judge the quality of the soccer play and see if it is watered down or not.

 

[crush]

And that is fine. Each family should decide what is in their own best interest not the teams best interest. Let adults make their own adult decisions. If I had a young player, I would probably opt not to go due to cost and right in the middle of holiday time period. With an 03 junior player, it's a different decision as she contacts coaches and needs quality game footage to show them.

I agree. 2022s have had it real tough over the last three years. Trying to get fresh game film is next to impossible. So I decided to get cute. I made a highlight film of when she was 10-13. I will post on here for all your entertainment as well. It's loaded with goals, passes, hard freaking work, broken wrist, sprain ankle, broken bone in foot, head concussion and a bad eye injury to boot. Dedication like no other. So many podium dances, I'm not sure I can fit them all in under 3 minutes. She will let coaches know to come watch her goat it up in HS Soccer. I would be tickled silly if she gets a deal from HS Soccer game.

 

[happy9]

So you admit no direct knowledge of 400 teams dropping out yet you post it anyway. Why would you do that? The only logical reason is because you enjoy trash talking surf. My kid will be there playing on 02/03 ECNL Composite team. I will gladly forward you some game footage and then you can judge the quality of the soccer play and see if it is watered down or not.

You are back on the notion that I am trash talking Surf. Please point out where I have said anything negative about Surf as an organization. The topic of this discussion is "Surf Cup's Fate". Your contribution was more meaningful when you were laying out your reasoning for coming to play. You applied logic for making those decisions and mentioned if you were the parent of a younger, you wouldn't be coming. I respect both sides of that coin.

My view is that Surf will not happen and I've laid out some rationale that I've used to come to that conclusion. I could very well be wrong, doesn't really matter though. The back and forth hopefully has been interesting for some and fun for others.

Again, will concede that 400 may or may not be an accurate number - information provided from a trusted source. If it turns out to be higher or lower, then so be it. I am confident it's an accurate number but that will be play out on its own. If it turns out to be completely false or hyperbole, then the criticism is well deserved.

Hopefully your player gets great footage. Quality of play is subjective, to some degree. I'm not here to cast shade on your player and hope they get what they need if the end state is playing at the next level.

 

[crush]

You are back on the notion that I am trash talking Surf. Please point out where I have said anything negative about Surf as an organization. The topic of this discussion is "Surf Cup's Fate". Your contribution was more meaningful when you were laying out your reasoning for coming to play. You applied logic for making those decisions and mentioned if you were the parent of a younger, you wouldn't be coming. I respect both sides of that coin.

My view is that Surf will not happen and I've laid out some rationale that I've used to come to that conclusion. I could very well be wrong, doesn't really matter though. The back and forth hopefully has been interesting for some and fun for others.

Again, will concede that 400 may or may not be an accurate number - information provided from a trusted source. If it turns out to be higher or lower, then so be it. I am confident it's an accurate number but that will be play out on its own. If it turns out to be completely false or hyperbole, then the criticism is well deserved.

Hopefully your player gets great footage. Quality of play is subjective, to some degree. I'm not here to cast shade on your player and hope they get what they need if the end state is playing at the next level.

I'm still holding out hope it's on. I need my debt forgiven big time from Eagle. If youngers happens, my debt is free and clear. I need some hope for 2021 and having debts wiped cleaned is a welcomed thought in my brain right about now. I have a few friends who are all signed up to go.