Surf Cup's Fate

Its early but i can't wait for the chicken littles to wake up and see that Surf cup is on. They will be scrambling to get their hotel and car rentals booked all the while tell us how we are all gonna die or kill other people.
 
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance
 
Just received this email:

We are excited to announce that Surf Cup 2020 - Arizona will go on as planned! All aspects of the event, including the filming and free access for college coaches of all recruiting age games, will continue and the dates and general location won't change.

Although we respect the current COVID situation in our country, we are confident in the safety of outdoor youth sports and our COVID protocols and processes. More importantly, our athletes, families and college coaches have reached out to us in droves imploring us to move forward with the event. The foundation of our rationale is rooted in three core ideas:

• All qualitative and quantitative data support the idea that COVID is not being transmitted on the field of play during outdoor youth sports activities. We have all been "living in a lab" the past 9 months and we have all seen firsthand that COVID cases are not being passed among kids during practices, scrimmages or games. We know that youth sports activities are happening in 45 states across the country with no major COVID breakouts amongst youth athletes. We know that large scale tournaments in soccer, lacrosse, football and baseball are occurring every weekend across the US with no significant COVID cases. We know that 3 major college conferences successfully completed full seasons, playing hundreds of games, with very little COVID interruption. We've also seen the data from the Surf White Paper Study, the University of Wisconsin study and the Dutch Football study that shows that 98% of soccer games don't have enough prolonged contact to transmit COVID.

• Players in CA, NV, WA, OR and NM are not allowed to participate in youth sports. Meanwhile, in the other 45 states across the US those players haven't been asked to stop enjoying the game and competing in the sport they love. Athletes across the country are not being asked to miss their high school sports seasons - only our athletes are. College bound players across the country are playing in showcase events and being offered scholarships while only our players are missing out on that opportunity. The arbitrary nature of this decision making is having a dis-proportionate impact on our players and we feel a responsibility to give them the chance they deserve.

• We are confident in our ability to host a safe environment for youth soccer. However, our event allows each club, each team, each family and each athlete to make their own decisions about playing. We will respect every decision and will support those that play and those that choose not to.

To that point, we are offering accepted teams one final opportunity to withdraw from the event and receive a full refund (minus the credit card processing fee).

When your team originally applied for Surf Cup AZ the drop date to receive a refund was November 15th. However, due to the state-by-state changes and the venue changes for our event, we are extending that refund deadline to Wednesday, December 9th at 9pm PST. After this date, refunds will only be issued if AZ cancels the event or due to mandatory out of state travel restrictions from your state. Refunds will not be issued for recommended stay home policies after the 12/9 deadline. Refunds will be minus the credit card processing fee and will be issued via check.

Should you decide to withdraw from the event – please reply to this email with the following information -
Club/team name/gender/birth year
The name of the person whom the refund check should be made payable to
The address that the refund check should be mailed to as we are unable to process refunds back to the credit card used for payment.

Please reply to this email, ONLY if you wish to withdraw from the event, NO LATER THAN Wednesday, December 9th at 9pm PST as we do need to start working on the schedule and we need to know exactly what the numbers are that we are working with for scheduling.

If you do not reply you will be considered “accepted” for the event and will be scheduled for participation in the event. There is no need to reply to the email if you wish to remain in the event.

We will be providing schedules and field information as we get closer to the event dates. Teams will not need to change dates or hotels. Our dates will remain the same and all venues will be in the general area as originally planned. We will also be communicating our Safety Policies and Procedures prior to the event and we will ask all athletes, coaches and parents to be accountable for keeping our kids safe. If we all respect the protocols, then our children can enjoy the game they love and stay healthy.

See you in Arizona!
Kudos to Surf (a comment that rarely comes out of my mouth). Is money a huge factor? Likely. If politicians can make decisions based on $$$ and power, why can't private entities? At least Surf is also making a decision based on science.

Like I said, what a great show of civil disobedience, in fact, a perfectly legal one in the municipalities where the games are being held.
 
Why would you think AZ teams are playing/training too much? Not much change between last summer and this summer in terms of workload. If anything, a little less workload early on with the distanced training.
I know few coaches in AZ and they are telling me their teams played well over normal amount of games this Fall
 
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance
Varies by county. Santa clara county is definitely out. That means no MVLA, BAFC/quakes, CA Thorns, or SC Sporting.

If the rest of the bay area follows SCC again, you lose the rest of the norcal top teams except San Juan, Davis, and Placer.

i have no idea about socal.
 
Varies by county. Santa clara county is definitely out. That means no MVLA, BAFC/quakes, CA Thorns, or SC Sporting.

If the rest of the bay area follows SCC again, you lose the rest of the norcal top teams except San Juan, Davis, and Placer.

i have no idea about socal.
Technically under the state order the answer is no...non essential travel is forbidden. The question is whether people will ignore the order, taking whatever consequences (if any).
without incriminating yourself, can you tell me the prevailing sentiment of the parents? they gonna break the law or nah ?
 
I know few coaches in AZ and they are telling me their teams played well over normal amount of games this Fall
Depends on the club I guess. I certainly don't feel like we played many more games than normal. GA/ECNL games really didn't start until 2nd week in OCT. I don't know exactly how many friendlies were scheduled by AZ teams. I would guess not enough to exceed # of games normally played in SEP.

I wonder what "well over" means. 1 more, 2 more, 3 more?
 
I would be revealing my sources if I sent links. I have good friends in Scottsdale too and Phoenix and all their kids play soccer soccer soccer. For us in Socal, no soccer allowed. AZ is now the way socal was the last few years. I bet if dad 4 did a study, this is the fist year that injuries to girl soccer players is way down in socal and nocal. My dd the last two years now has only played a half a season or 12 games. 24 months divided by 12 is a game every two months. She is ready to train when the time is right.
 
without incriminating yourself, can you tell me the prevailing sentiment of the parents? they gonna break the law or nah ?
I'm waiting to hear back from our club to see what their position is. I'm not sure our club wants to openly send 10+ teams to Surf Cup against the stay-at-home policy that has been implemented in SoCal.

I'm also very curious to see whether SD Surf send their teams to the event. It's one thing to organize a completely legal event in Arizona. But it's another to openly defy a statewide order in California where you generate majority of your income.
 
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance
MVLA hasn't pulled out yet. Should know more this week. I am not aware of other Norcal team plans. 21 day shelter in place ends by Surf assuming numbers don't ramp. Teams can quarantine after assuming they go.
 
My educated guess is that 80-90% will exercise their freedoms and will attend the event.
I should clarify that that's parents choice. Some clubs will likely pull out and the resultant percentage could be lower.

I know some parents that was hoping it would cancel because of the holiday timing.
 
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance
I said they will be checking our papers when we try and re enter and folks on here laughed at me. Right now, if you brag to others they will snitch on you brah. Where is Doc Mike? Silk brah in da house? La Mesa, Del Mar, Oceanside, where is Rancho Pinesikities? how about about Poway? Show me your lightning bolt!!!!

Listen, I'm all in now for Surf Cup. My dd has a bday on the 01/04/04 and will not want to drive to AZ. I need to know what top top teams are planning on risking their lives to cross state lines? Were in if the ballers come to ball.....
 
without incriminating yourself, can you tell me the prevailing sentiment of the parents? they gonna break the law or nah ?
Whole team is mostly following rules. Seems to be true in general. I don’t see many side scrimmages around town, either.

Soccer tennis is big, though. Just need two trees and a rope. Roblox/minecraft/Steam all doing well, too.

The older Mexican guys are still playing, of course. But not many youth.
 
I should clarify that that's parents choice. Some clubs will likely pull out and the resultant percentage could be lower.
I like the dead line pressure. In or out and let's ball. Dec 9th is decision day. I think its grab and go soccer right about now so I say get while its around :)
 
MVLA hasn't pulled out yet. Should know more this week. I am not aware of other Norcal team plans. 21 day shelter in place ends by Surf assuming numbers don't ramp. Teams can quarantine after assuming they go.
Bro, you need that 04 team their to represent Nocals #1 teams. I also want to see Deza team too. If you guys go and top Texas team goes, I bet $100 my dd will change her mind. We can always celebrate before or after her bday day day. I'm jacked up and it;s time to go to AZ again for the 4th time in two months.
 
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance

Please understand that "top team" is completely subjective right now. These kids are probably about 20% match sharp and the "results" from Surf Cup are effectively meaningless this year. Any college coaches who do attend are very very likely to only be picking out individual moments of skill and not looking at how the team plays at all. I have serious, serious doubts that you will see a large number of offers based off Surf.

Socal teams are under a stay at home order for the next three weeks. Practicing is allowed, but again with no fall season and no real tournament action this year, these teams are not going to be sharp on their shape work nor will you see the natural teamwork that comes out of playing together consistently for 9+ months. The thing is, everyone understands this except the die-hard brainwashed parents (like you see in the minority here). I actually think Surf could have charged 5x the amount and they still would have suckered these parents into going.

Evaluate your risk vs reward. There is little evidence of kids causing open community spread and if you are diligent with your own mask usage/etc then it is possible for you to attend the tournament. Just know that nobody else is considering this to be a serious tournament beyond "hey these kids are getting 3 games to shake off the rust".
 
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