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Yousername said:
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So explain this then... what do you say to those who are elderly/ disabled/ pregnant/ immune compromised and are living with healthy people, when everything opens up again. What then? Does that mean that the one person has to go away and live by themselves until a vaccine is created. If the healthy family members go back into the community where there’s now a higher chance of exposure, they now bring a higher risk of exposure to their family member. No matter how you want to see this, you are basically saying that my life as an immune compromised person is expendable, because the aforementioned scenario is exactly what’s happening in my home, and it’s my family’s biggest fear.
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It is pointless debatIng anyone who cannot accept the moral dilemma that what they want will result in people dying. Their religion prevents them from choosing their wallet over morality, so they need to make up excuses that deny that is what they are doing. So they make up one crazier way after the next to rationalize their selfishness. Seriously, killing more old people saves lives? The olds deserve to die if they go outside, need convalescent or hospital care, or lack the resources and family assistance to stay home? We should just do what S Korea did although it is not possible here, because that way I can blame others for all these deaths when other people didn’t or couldn’t do what S Korea did? Shoot, @Ellejustus is even arguing that dying is for their own good.

You can only mock these people. It is the only way.
 
EOTL said:
It is pointless debatIng anyone who cannot accept the moral dilemma that what they want will result in people dying. Their religion prevents them from choosing their wallet over morality, so they need to make up excuses that deny that is what they are doing. So they make up one crazier way after the next to rationalize their selfishness. Seriously, killing more old people saves lives? The olds deserve to die if they go outside, need convalescent or hospital care, or lack the resources and family assistance to stay home? We should just do what S Korea did although it is not possible here, because that way I can blame others for all these deaths when other people didn’t or couldn’t do what S Korea did? Shoot, @Ellejustus is even arguing that dying is for their own good.

You can only mock these people. It is the only way.
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You and espola really need some practice on reading comprehension lol.
 
MSK357 said:
You and espola really need some practice on reading comprehension lol.
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Oh no, they’re comprehension is just fine. It’s people like you that need practice- not just on reading comprehension, but on ethics, morality and common decency. We have been lucky in that my husband has been able to work from home part time, and the clinic where he works (which normally has 85+ people... not including clients, there are one time) are currently operating on a skeleton staff. As a nurse, if/ when everything reopens, he will be mandated to go back into the office 5 days a week. His exposure rate not only goes up because he’s in the office more, but he’ll come into exponentially more people on a daily basis. And his higher risk of exposure puts me at a greater risk- one who is immune compromised. So no, “nobody is forcing the healthy family member to go back into the community” is not entirely true in your world. Thank you @EOTL for being a voice of reason.
 
I was waiting for this place to go 100% coo coo and it has. I'm done for good :) Soccer was filled with all sorts of nut bags and I already knew it and now I really do. I hope to see some of you at the fields some day. I will wear my mask until it's ok. Carrion parents!!!!

This is my End Of The Line song.


 
Yousername said:
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So explain this then... what do you say to those who are elderly/ disabled/ pregnant/ immune compromised and are living with healthy people, when everything opens up again. What then? Does that mean that the one person has to go away and live by themselves until a vaccine is created. If the healthy family members go back into the community where there’s now a higher chance of exposure, they now bring a higher risk of exposure to their family member. No matter how you want to see this, you are basically saying that my life as an immune compromised person is expendable, because the aforementioned scenario is exactly what’s happening in my home, and it’s my family’s biggest fear.
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Does this mean that EVERY person should stay in their homes for an indefinite time until you feel safe and in doing so destroying the economy? Never mind the lives lost due to any number of things up to and including people not seeking non covid health care.

Or does it mean the in the situation that you lay out the people involved take extra precautions? There is funding in place for people that need to be care givers to someone such as yourself.
 
Mile High Dad said:
How will this affect you guys. Stay at home until the end of July? Doesn't ECNL start in Aug?
www.latimes.com

L.A. County could keep stay-at-home orders in place well into summer, depending on conditions

Los Angeles County's stay-at-home orders will 'with all certainty' be extended for the next three months, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Depends on what “phase” outdoor sports falls under. I know where I stand but don’t want to go into details b/c. in short....he 5 page debate that moved from the “GOOD NEWS” thread to this thread needs to go back so we can continue to talk soccer.
 
JumboJack said:
Does this mean that EVERY person should stay in their homes for an indefinite time until you feel safe and in doing so destroying the economy? Never mind the lives lost due to any number of things up to and including people not seeking non covid health care.

Or does it mean the in the situation that you lay out the people involved take extra precautions? There is funding in place for people that need to be care givers to someone such as yourself.
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Does this mean that EVERY person should stay in their homes for an indefinite time until you feel safe and in doing so destroying the economy? - This is a straw man argument. No one is making this argument. They are asserting that existing shelter in place rules remain important to save the lives of old people. No one is saying that no one can go anywhere ever. No one is saying essential businesses need to close. They are saying that doing whatever the f**k you want, whenever you want, and wherever you want is going to kill people.

Never mind the lives lost due to any number of things up to and including people not seeking non covid health care. - Ooh, this is seriously passive aggressive mental pretzel twisting. It essentially says we need to reopen the economy to save the old people who don’t die from covid. This is such a dumb (also straw man) argument that it’s hard to even give it any discussion, but I will because I can mock you. The point of shelter in place orders is so that sick people can go to the hospital when they need to with minimal risk of contracting covid there and dying from either it or whatever condition caused them to go there in the first place. The shelter-in-place orders encourage the sick to go to the hospital and make it more safe, and allow better care when a hospital is not overwhelmed by corona patients.

Or does it mean the in the situation that you lay out the people involved take extra precautions? - Yeah, exactly, like continued sheltering in place, which is saving lives. Those kinds of precautions.

There is funding in place for people that need to be care givers to someone such as yourself. - Sure there is. This is more rationalizing to avoid responsibility for the deaths that will result from re-opening too much too soon. Many people do not have the family or resources to care for them even if the government were handing out money like candy, which it is not.
 
Yousername said:
Oh no, they’re comprehension is just fine. It’s people like you that need practice- not just on reading comprehension, but on ethics, morality and common decency. We have been lucky in that my husband has been able to work from home part time, and the clinic where he works (which normally has 85+ people... not including clients, there are one time) are currently operating on a skeleton staff. As a nurse, if/ when everything reopens, he will be mandated to go back into the office 5 days a week. His exposure rate not only goes up because he’s in the office more, but he’ll come into exponentially more people on a daily basis. And his higher risk of exposure puts me at a greater risk- one who is immune compromised. So no, “nobody is forcing the healthy family member to go back into the community” is not entirely true in your world. Thank you @EOTL for being a voice of reason.
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Voice of reason? Your husband is not forced to work. there are people that choose not to work because they are taking care of an immune compromised person at home. The only people truly being forced are those that were forced to close their businesses. Your husband has a choice. He has the freedom to choose. He accepted the risk by taking that position. You cant be called a hero and then complain you are at risk when it was knowingly accepted. Its sad that people no longer know what freedom is. No wonder people willingly give it up these days.
 
MSK357 said:
Voice of reason? Your husband is not forced to work. there are people that choose not to work because they are taking care of an immune compromised person at home. The only people truly being forced are those that were forced to close their businesses. Your husband has a choice. He has the freedom to choose. He accepted the risk by taking that position. You cant be called a hero and then complain you are at risk when it was knowingly accepted. Its sad that people no longer know what freedom is. No wonder people willingly give it up these days.
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Ooh, now it’s your husband’s fault when old people die because the economy reopens since he’s not a caregiver. Man, people will argue anything to avoid responsibility for people dying to protect their wallets.
 
EOTL said:
Ooh, now it’s your husband’s fault when old people die because the economy reopens since he’s not a caregiver. Man, people will argue anything to avoid responsibility for people dying to protect their wallets.
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Take it to the other Thread man, you are annoying people. And you are an idiot, her husband isn't killing anyone. He picked a profession to save people. If he's scared he might bring death home he should change his profession. That was the risk he accepted.
 
EOTL said:
Does this mean that EVERY person should stay in their homes for an indefinite time until you feel safe and in doing so destroying the economy? - This is a straw man argument. No one is making this argument. They are asserting that existing shelter in place rules remain important to save the lives of old people. No one is saying that no one can go anywhere ever. No one is saying essential businesses need to close. They are saying that doing whatever the f**k you want, whenever you want, and wherever you want is going to kill people.

Never mind the lives lost due to any number of things up to and including people not seeking non covid health care. - Ooh, this is seriously passive aggressive mental pretzel twisting. It essentially says we need to reopen the economy to save the old people who don’t die from covid. This is such a dumb (also straw man) argument that it’s hard to even give it any discussion, but I will because I can mock you. The point of shelter in place orders is so that sick people can go to the hospital when they need to with minimal risk of contracting covid there and dying from either it or whatever condition caused them to go there in the first place. The shelter-in-place orders encourage the sick to go to the hospital and make it more safe, and allow better care when a hospital is not overwhelmed by corona patients.

Or does it mean the in the situation that you lay out the people involved take extra precautions? - Yeah, exactly, like continued sheltering in place, which is saving lives. Those kinds of precautions.

There is funding in place for people that need to be care givers to someone such as yourself. - Sure there is. This is more rationalizing to avoid responsibility for the deaths that will result from re-opening too much too soon. Many people do not have the family or resources to care for them even if the government were handing out money like candy, which it is not.
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Stay in your house, under the bed for as long as you want.
 
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