MSK357
GOLD
You are out of touch.
Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA
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And why are we handing out food to people who drive expensive cars and don't seem to know how to save enough money for even 8 weeks of food? I would bet 80% of the people getting free handouts have more than one cell phone in the family and maybe two or more TVs. It is all about setting priorities. Questions that should be asked. Maybe the covid-19 pandemic will help people set up budgets and savings plans for future emergencies. Instead of three beers when out to eat, have just one or two, save the difference. So many small ways to save that add up over time.
SoccerGuru
SILVER ELITE
But wasn’t that when they were DA and playing teams like surf, beach, legends, real and other good clubs? Will they show up to see players play ecrl?
If it is the same players, sure.
Colleges dont care about the DA/ECNL turf wars. They just want to find top players. If an AYSO team won Dallas, you'd see scouts at the finals.
SoccerGuru
SILVER ELITE
Well said, you have a point.
Just be aware that the life you are risking isn't necessarily yours.
If you run an indoor restaurant, you may not have options. For other lines of work, take a look at what is happening in Germany. They are doing a lot to implement social distancing within workplaces. Not full production, but not shutdown either.
soccerfan123
SILVER
The issue is the standard of the opponents, it is hard to get a good gage on talent when you are steam rolling a team
Desert Hound
DA
The fact is we have to open up. The economic math dictates it.
As someone said you can ignore math, but math will not ignore you.
So we know who is at risk vs who isn't. The group where 80% of deaths occur is 70+.
We are going to find a way to not kill off millions of biz while at the same time minimizing risk to the most vulnerable.
It is suicide to tell not at risk groups to lock down pretending they have the same risk as 70+ people who have underlying conditions.
Everything we do requires a functional economy.
Some people will be slower to realize that basic fact...but that fact remains and we will open sooner vs later.
20% of deaths are under 65. 8% are under 55. 2.5% under 45
The data leans old, but not as old as you said. Wide open without controls would mean quite a few deaths among middle aged people, too.
Agree we need to open up, but that’s no reason to be stupid about how we do it. Many people still are not doing the basics: limit shopping to once per week, wear a mask when out, avoid gatherings with people outside your household. Take a look at a street image from Seoul. See all the masks? If you want to open the economy like they have, you may need to look like they do. Wear the stupid mask.
And some things can’t open. We’d be fools to re-open indoor restaurants. No masks for people eating, of course. They talk, one infected person breathes out the virus, and the HVAC recirculates the virus to everyone in the room.
MSK357
GOLD
Those percentage do look pretty high, it would be more accurate if it was compared to ALL infected people and not just the people sick enough to get hospitalized and tested. Every independent antibody test shows mortality rate to be less than 1%.20% of deaths are under 65. 8% are under 55. 2.5% under 45
The data leans old, but not as old as you said. Wide open without controls would mean quite a few deaths among middle aged people, too.
Agree we need to open up, but that’s no reason to be stupid about how we do it. Many people still are not doing the basics: limit shopping to once per week, wear a mask when out, avoid gatherings with people outside your household. Take a look at a street image from Seoul. See all the masks? If you want to open the economy like they have, you may need to look like they do. Wear the stupid mask.
And some things can’t open. We’d be fools to re-open indoor restaurants. No masks for people eating, of course. They talk, one infected person breathes out the virus, and the HVAC recirculates the virus to everyone in the room.
I didn;t save for 8 weeks bro. I let my family down. In fact, I was really bad at saving. I kept taking my winnings and trying to be some kind of biz man and reinvesting it back to the company. I was living a lie and in debt up to my eyes balls. Soccer actually took any savings I could have had. I can see how I hurt my family spending all my money on sports and not saving for the 8 weeks of hell we would all have to endure. Copa, you seemed so excited to travel before Corona and when GDA was in full swing. I was trying to keep up with Jones and I caught with no savings. Can you help a poor, rich guy out with a few bucks bro? I'll pay you back when I hit it big on my next business idea.
The choices we make. Please teach us today Copa how to save for 6 months of income fund. I suck at savings. In fact, I was taught by all the commercials in my life to borrow money so you can have fun and entertain yourself and worry about paying it back later. I was also told to borrow $50,000 for college so I could teach PE and coach basketball and I think my wife was $30,000 in debt when we met. So we got married with debt and then we bought a house. Then she got prego. Question Copa. Did your parents help you at all? I got zero help and to try and save for 6 months never happened. Dang, I feel like a loser now. @SoccerGuru. Dude, you're the troll bro. You won;t even share what club you belong too? That is one scared person. I thought you were all in with Legends or Beach. Give it up Guru so you stop hiding in the dark. C'mon man, stop hiding and defend yourself. What could you possible be afraid of? Today is breaking news day. Both of you are classic!!!!
Desert Hound
DA
20% of deaths are under 65. 8% are under 55. 2.5% under 45
The data leans old, but not as old as you said. Wide open without controls would mean quite a few deaths among middle aged people, too.
Agree we need to open up, but that’s no reason to be stupid about how we do it. Many people still are not doing the basics: limit shopping to once per week, wear a mask when out, avoid gatherings with people outside your household. Take a look at a street image from Seoul. See all the masks? If you want to open the economy like they have, you may need to look like they do. Wear the stupid mask.
And some things can’t open. We’d be fools to re-open indoor restaurants. No masks for people eating, of course. They talk, one infected person breathes out the virus, and the HVAC recirculates the virus to everyone in the room.
"In the U.S., 79% of coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older. In the 23 states releasing long-term care facilities data, 27% of deaths have occurred in such places. The Washington Post reports the share of fatalities in nursing homes may be 50%. In Colorado, the share is 50%.
Yet our reaction isn’t to protect the elderly and those with underlying conditions. No, instead we decide to force over 214 million people under 65 with no underlying condition who are under virtually no threat from coronavirus to restrict their activities, socially distance from each other, and go into lockdown.
Instead of targeting the vulnerable population for assistance and infection avoidance, we shut down our economy."
What we are doing now is completely unsustainable.
And who decides what cannot re-open?
There are vulnerable at risk people. THEY are the ones that should socially distance.
To kill off biz, put people out of work, when we can target instead the groups of people is madness.
Surf Zombie
GOLD
Comparing boys map to girls, boys expanded to 10 regions to the girls 8. Wonder of the girls follow suit?
Quarantine only the elderly?
The nursing homes are already isolating as well as they can. They’ve been on a near total lockdown for weeks now. It is literally a life or death issue for them. If there is anything that can be done to slow the infection, they are already doing it.
But, quarantines leak. Nurses have to come to work, patients have doctor’s visits, food and supplies need to be delivered. The deaths you see now in nursing homes are from that leakage. The rate is somewhat low, because the community infection rate is also somewhat low.
Now imaging we open up everything except nursing homes. The community infection rate would skyrocket, as you know. And, because quarantines leak, the nursing home infection rate would also skyrocket. You’d still get the deaths.
Just A Dad
SILVER ELITE
so they changed the boys regions and left AZ and NV in the southwest? that cant be right.
vegasguy
GOLD
Why is that not right. They will split the SW Conference into two divisions... East and West so to speak?
Just A Dad
SILVER ELITE
I was being sarcastic because everyone said AZ and NV would be move out of the southwest region
Desert Hound
DA
So let us kill off millions of small biz instead?
Let us put millions into bankruptcy?
Because what we are doing now is exactly that.
Social distancing is not stopping the spread of the virus. The virus is not going to magically go away. The idea behind social distancing was to "bend the curve", not eradicate the virus. A vaccine is 18 months away if we are lucky. They may never have a good vaccine. Who knows.
I think many have the false assumption that social distancing somehow gets the virus to go away. It is not.
So what does the quarantine do and not do?
- it doesn't stop the spread of the virus
- it simply slows down the spread.
- it does nothing to protect the people who are not at risk
- the people still at risk are still getting the virus
- we are putting millions of biz and people out of work.
- many of those jobs are not coming back
Personally I just shut down one of my businesses. It is not coming back. Those employees are not getting their jobs back. Now multiply that across the country.
Tax revenue is crashing. That tax revenue funds countless things at the local, state and fed level. State and local pensions? Schools, etc etc. What will many of these gov entities want to do? Raise taxes to attempt to cover their expenses. Probably not a good time to put more financial burdens on individuals and biz
Opening up restaurants at 25% or even 50% capacity will not work for most restaurants. Margins are thin in that industry and you need to be running at full capacity for most to make it. So lets look at them for example.
- short term, not all staff is working since 25-50% capacity means you don't need everyone.
- less money or no money for those employees with others getting laid off.
- the restaurants don't require as much food, booze, beverages.
- that then pushes the problem down the entire supply chain.
- those businesses in the supply chain have to cut down biz and cut staff as a result of reduced demand.
Take the above and now apply that to a variety of different biz/industry.
Then consider the debt these various individuals and businesses have. When they cannot pay, that then affects the companies, etc who hold the debt. Many of those will go under and those employees are out of work.
The government doesn't have enough money to bail out all industry and give people cash to sit at home.
The implications of what we are doing to our economy and how it affects everyone is staggering.
It is madness to kill the economy in such a manner. To wipe out biz, to wipe out the life savings of individuals, etc.
Find the solution to deal with the at risk population vs a one size fits all option that devastates millions of biz and 10s of millions of individuals.
Further.
We lose 650K a year to heart disease
600k to cancer.
We don't shut down the entire economy as a result of the above. We deal with it and move on. We may never get a vaccine for covid and we certainly cannot wait around 18 months hoping that in that window of time something pops up vaccine wise. We know who is at risk and who isnt. The focus should be on how to minimize the risk for those at risk vs devastating the lives of most in the US who have a very very low risk factor.
Best quote in a very long time. We might see a few things differently soccer wise bro, but that was manly of you to write. Some people want this to go bad and they dont give a crap that this is happening. We need to stand up once and for all. This country was built on men and woman taking risks, not so we can sit at home and be scared and collect $4000 a month to do nothing. I will take the risk as I have always done in my life. Risk takers are being attacked and that will destroy our country. No risk, no reward. Why live with no risk? That life sucks for the risk takers. Watch out that you don;t mess with the risk takers. Trust me!!!