Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Desert Hound said:
No it wouldnt.

Phx to Denver is a 15 hour drive. 900 miles away.
Phx to SLC is 10-12 hours drive. 700 miles away
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That's why you joined a national league right? Travel is a great experience for the girls and all. There's always a local league you can join. lol. Any other comments I missed from out of state teams hating on socal teams that prefer not to travel far if they don't have to?
 
Desert Hound said:
No it wouldnt.

Phx to Denver is a 15 hour drive. 900 miles away.
Phx to SLC is 10-12 hours drive. 700 miles away
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No dog in the fight, and it would definitely be worse (much worse) travel for AZ teams, but I think it would be better travel situation for everyone else in the NW conference (reduced to WA, OR, ID & northern CA). Likewise, would probably be better travel for the CO, NM, UT folks as well.
 
Surf Zombie said:

Updated map as of May 6th.
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Assuming they don't move teams between the NW and SW, which I have no basis to assume, here's a guess

NW (22 Total)
- Pacific NW: 7 Teams (Seattle and Portland)
- NorCal: 8 Teams
- Mountain: 6 Teams (Colordo, Utah and Idaho)

SW (14 Total)
- North: 7 Teams, 6 furtherest north in SoCal and Las Vegas
- South: 7 Teams, Remaining 5 SoCal teams and Phoenix
 
MSK357 said:
That's why you joined a national league right? Travel is a great experience for the girls and all. There's always a local league you can join. lol. Any other comments I missed from out of state teams hating on socal teams that prefer not to travel far if they don't have to?
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so you say ECNL wants to cut travel distance. Do you think that means travel distance has to go further for multiple clubs so socal doesnt have to travel out of state at all. at this point you guys just sound delusional
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Assuming they don't move teams between the NW and SW, which I have no basis to assume, here's a guess

NW (22 Total)
- Pacific NW: 7 Teams (Seattle and Portland)
- NorCal: 8 Teams
- Mountain: 6 Teams (Colordo, Utah and Idaho)

SW (14 Total)
- North: 7 Teams furtherest north in SoCal and Las Vegas
- South: 7 Remaining 5 SoCal teams and Phoenix
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That’s sort of how it works here in the north east, with 18 teams in the division MA-MD, split into North & South, each team plays the clubs in their portion of the conference more often.
 
Just A Dad said:
so you say ECNL wants to cut travel distance. Do you think that means travel distance has to go further for multiple clubs so socal doesnt have to travel out of state at all. at this point you guys just sound delusional
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I'm just repeating the comments that were used for people complaining about travel. I'm not saying I agree with it, but if I'm not consistent, neither are you.
 
Surf Zombie said:
I think Chicago comes down Eclipse having sway and keeping out the competition. Same in Michigan with MWH keeping out Nationals & Jaguars. I don’t know why MI isn’t in the OH Valley conference (because it makes more sense geographically) unless there is a conflict in which seasons HS soccer is played (Fall v. Spring)?

If there is any ECNL conference that needs more teams it’s that Midwest conference.
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We are in Michigan and you are correct Ohio and Michigan have opposite high school seasons. Distance wise it would be much easier.
Also, it would of been nice to add Nationals and Jags for travel reasons.
 
WuTang said:
We are in Michigan and you are correct Ohio and Michigan have opposite high school seasons. Distance wise it would be much easier.
Also, it would of been nice to add Nationals and Jags for travel reasons.
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That makes sense. You think you guys are getting some more clubs plugged into that Midwest division?
 
Surf Zombie said:
That makes sense. You think you guys are getting some more clubs plugged into that Midwest division?
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It would make things a lot easier, but as you guys know clubs are going to protect their territory. We have three DA clubs in Michigan alone, so they are there if clubs can get along.
 
MSK357 said:
There's always a local league you can join. lol. Any other comments I missed from out of state teams hating on socal teams that prefer not to travel far if they don't have to?
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Big difference of a drive of 5 hours vs 15. One doesn't require a flight, the other does. Outside of that, yeah travel between So Cal and Phx and LV is just like Phx and Denver.

Any other stupid false comparisons you want to make?
 
Desert Hound said:
Big difference of a drive of 5 hours vs 15. One doesn't require a flight, the other does. Outside of that, yeah travel between So Cal and Phx and LV is just like Phx and Denver.

Any other stupid false comparisons you want to make?
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Not a false comparison, we would both prefer not to travel far. Your definition of far may be different from mine, but we both have our preferences.
 
Here’s an idea- take those 2 “super teams” in AZ and Vegas. (Or any other state with only 1 or 2 ecnl teams) and break those 36 players up. Sprinkle them on to 6 local teams with a few decent players. All of the sudden- you have a competitive local league. If you need to- create an all star team for summer tournaments and travel all that you want.
 
WuTang said:
It would make things a lot easier, but as you guys know clubs are going to protect their territory. We have three DA clubs in Michigan alone, so they are there if clubs can get along.
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How close are the former DA clubs to where MWH is based?

Here in MA where I am there are two former GDA clubs, each within 45 minutes drive of the existing ECNL clubs. Similar to Michigan, where FC Stars of MA has two teams, plus a relatively strong Scorpions club.
 
If the local clubs were not so stubborn about trying to kill off ex DA clubs, you could organize SW into three good subgroups of 6-8 teams. LA, SD, and NV/AZ. play local first, then play remote once you know what would be a good match.
 
SoccerGuru said:
I know some NorCal people are on here, where will all the SJ earthquake girls go now that they are cancelling the girls program? They had some really talented players.
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I believe Quakes are now Bay Area FC! And yes they have some very talented players over there. They have a tough decision to make but talent always finds talent and they should be ok.
 
Surf Zombie said:
I think Chicago comes down Eclipse having sway and keeping out the competition. Same in Michigan with MWH keeping out Nationals & Jaguars. I don’t know why MI isn’t in the OH Valley conference (because it makes more sense geographically) unless there is a conflict in which seasons HS soccer is played (Fall v. Spring)?

If there is any ECNL conference that needs more teams it’s that Midwest conference.
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Zombie is correct.
The answer to your questions are:
1. Eclipse and Hawks directors believe the easiest path to Natties is to discourage competition, and the path to profitability is having two teams per age group. Hard to argue that is a bad strategy. It is short-sighted, however, as it makes the GAL league look almost on par with ECNL (just in the Midwest). but....
2. High school soccer seasons are kind of a patchwork in the Midwest. Michigan is in the spring, while Indiana and Ohio are fall. This will be the answer to the question asked in two years... Why did GAL fail in the Midwest? That along with Lavers eventually figuring out he no longer needs to fear his board members, and inviting a few more quality Midwest teams into ECNL.
 
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