Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Dont get mad at me, Lavers has already said hes planning on making it more regional to reduce travel costs. Being from socal, I agree with that, especially since competition would stay relatively the same if not better with the recently added socal teams. Don't hate on us for agreeing with a move that ECNL is already planning on moving towards. If you don't like ECNLs future plans, then you can leave ECNL.
the less travel is not for socal to travel zero. the southwest (mostly socal) probably already has some of the least amount of travel out of all the regions. they will not bump up the travel distance farther for arizona and neveda to cut down socals 2 travel weekends out of state lol.
 
the less travel is not for socal to travel zero. the southwest (mostly socal) probably already has some of the least amount of travel out of all the regions. they will not bump up the travel distance farther for arizona and neveda to cut down socals 2 travel weekends out of state lol.
No, but they can add clubs in Arizona and Nevada. $$$
 

"SW: For everybody, even the clubs at the top and the pro clubs, the travel costs of national play are just enormous. And it also seems like the marketplace’s appetite for that may fundamentally change depending on how bad the economic fallout is. Could we be looking at a more regionalized model for elite soccer in the future?

CL: From our perspective, we’ve been actively reducing travel in most areas of the country every year for the past several years, and that’s been deliberate. And that’s because people don’t want to spend nights in hotels over and over to play a couple soccer games. So our perspective has been, when you have to go spend the night in a hotel or you have to get on the plane, it better be for an unbelievable experience, like a massive showcase in front of hundreds of colleges that help prepare you for the next stage in your career. And so we’ve been expanding to kind of fill in density in our conferences to allow a much better travel balance.

The DA collapse, or whatever you want to refer to it as, I think will help in the sense that there will be clubs that drop into leagues that already have local members and that will help provide more local games. And I think that is a good thing. Coronavirus obviously is going to drive the market even further in that regard. At some point you have to travel when you get to a certain level of competition, because you need to find equivalent matches. But it’s a balance. We’re really going to be having these discussions at some level: When is a 2-2 game worth a hotel stay, when a 3-0 does not have one? That’s the balance that everybody’s going to try and figure out. I think it’s going to go very much more towards less travel for a while, and that’s not a bad thing."


Key words....LESS travel and TRAVEL balance. I guess the point you want to make is ZERO travel. Gotcha. GDA, when they created their tiers, had opponents over 900 miles apart for each game. That would be an issue.
 
Key words....LESS travel and TRAVEL balance. I guess the point you want to make is ZERO travel. Gotcha. GDA, when they created their tiers, had opponents over 900 miles apart for each game. That would be an issue.
Look, you're upset, I get it. You don't want your kid in a weaker conference when socal gets their own region. But I promise you when more clubs get added to ECNL especially in Arizona and Nevada, that is going to happen. At that point you will have to decide if you want to stay with ECNL. lets not pretend this isn't the path forward as literally 6 socal teams were recently added, a few of which are very strong clubs.
 
Key words....LESS travel and TRAVEL balance. I guess the point you want to make is ZERO travel. Gotcha. GDA, when they created their tiers, had opponents over 900 miles apart for each game. That would be an issue.
It is more than 900 miles from CA Thorns to Real Colorado. It is already an issue for NW.
 
Look, you're upset, I get it. You don't want your kid in a weaker conference when socal gets their own region. But I promise you when more clubs get added to ECNL especially in Arizona and Nevada, that is going to happen. At that point you will have to decide if you want to stay with ECNL. lets not pretend this isn't the path forward as literally 6 socal teams were recently added, a few of which are very strong clubs.

Besides emphasizing two words, I am not too sure what language I have used to display being upset to discuss a hypothetical debate. Literally 4 teams were added to ECRL. Do you honestly believe that NV and AZ will be on the chopping block first? They have weathered many a storm. I have nothing to decide but the parents of the new ECRL have more of a decision than I do at this moment as my DD will be in ECNL.
 
Besides emphasizing two words, I am not too sure what language I have used to display being upset to discuss a hypothetical debate. Literally 4 teams were added to ECRL. Do you honestly believe that NV and AZ will be on the chopping block first? They have weathered many a storm. I have nothing to decide but the parents of the new ECRL have more of a decision than I do at this moment as my DD will be in ECNL.
I guess we will see. To me, its clear that ECNL is planning on adding more teams and regions to localize the travel. That's what I get from the article. If you read it a different way that's fine. time will tell.
 
I didn’t quite say that. Eventually AZ will get realigned and more teams added locally. You are right about the showcases. Those are a big deal. LV, though, isn’t going to make it unless they can hold on until then.

Maybe your to new to the ECNL to know this, but when the ECNL started back in 2009 the AZ teams were in the Mountain conference. It was changed to make more geographical sense to the Southwest region. As to adding more teams, well that's easier said than done for AZ. Two of the founding members of the ECNL resided in AZ, that being SC Del Sol, and Sereno which is now RSL-AZ. They both left for the DA, effectively burning a bridge for the time being. Outside of those two, there isn't another club as of now to award an ECNL franchise to. Maybe down the road they let these two back in, but that's down the road.
 
the less travel is not for socal to travel zero. the southwest (mostly socal) probably already has some of the least amount of travel out of all the regions. they will not bump up the travel distance farther for arizona and neveda to cut down socals 2 travel weekends out of state lol.

Least amount of travel, yet most of the complaints. So Cal never seems to look outside of the state and realize how good they have it.
 
Least amount of travel, yet most of the complaints. So Cal never seems to look outside of the state and realize how good they have it.
Nothing wrong with trying to improve. But once again, its not our call. ECNL is already going in that direction based on the article I posted. If you read it a different way, then we will have to wait and see.
 
The ECNL has 111 teams going into next year. If you look at the various regions, travel seems best to worst:

1. South West
2. Mid Atlantic
3. North East
4. Texas
5. South East
6. Ohio Valley
7. Northwest
8. Midwest

If reducing travel is a priority for ECNL, IMO, it’ll be a combination of adding more clubs and making smaller regions.

For example, in the North East there are 18 teams stretching from MA to MD. Does the region eventually go to 20 clubs and get split into two separate regions of 10 (MA, CT, NY) & 10 (NJ, PA, MD)?
 
The ECNL has 111 teams going into next year. If you look at the various regions, travel seems best to worst:

1. South West
2. Mid Atlantic
3. North East
4. Texas
5. South East
6. Ohio Valley
7. Northwest
8. Midwest

If reducing travel is a priority for ECNL, IMO, it’ll be a combination of adding more clubs and making smaller regions.

For example, in the North East there are 18 teams stretching from MA to MD. Does the region eventually go to 20 clubs and get split into two separate regions of 10 (MA, CT, NY) & 10 (NJ, PA, MD)?

Having spent time in the NE, and seen what a highly congested area it is for travel. I would drive to Cali, or NV any day...
 
I thought we were discussing SoCal. I did state that 900 miles would be an issue. But according to your argument, Real Colorado would be worth the flight.
Depends on the team. Not every norcal team is good enough to justify an air travel game with Real Colorado.

If *both* teams are top 40, book the flights. Otherwise, play local.
 
my point was not that the travel is every weekend. it was that easy games are every weekend, if you are in too weak a league.

What non-travel league in NorCal lets you play against MVLA, Thorns, Mustang, and San Juan? (the top of their A teams. Not the bench.)

Wanting to play those teams does not mean I want to fly to Colorado. (look at the new map.)
MVLA, Mustang, and San Juan ECNL teams all play in NorCal Premier League. Thorns top teams will play their teams there as well next year, now that they don’t have GDA restrictions on preventing them from playing in that league. NorCal Premier is a non travel league.
If you don’t want to fly to Colorado, you don’t have to. Your kid isn’t in ECNL, so you’re worried about doing something you don’t have to do. It amazes me you're so concerned about ECNL travel schedules when you’re not even signed up for the league. Your kid can already play those teams locally if your team is qualified for NorCal Champions League. Let the kids and parents on those ECNL teams worry about their own travel schedules, and I doubt they want you to speak on their behalf about how they choose to spend their money.
 
Sorry to break it to you all, travel will never be based on only going to play top clubs even you're Surf or Blues. So cal is a big part of ECNL but they will never eliminate travel for so cal teams and make it worse for AZ teams. Let's be honest. Parents will always stay ECNL or GA no matter how much they complain about travel. Leagues will need to be creative this fall in some regions and eliminate travel with a plane. So Cal and Nor Cal have HS soccer in the winter but much of the Northwest is fall HS. Not sure on AZ/NV. I do believe lavers will try to limit travel but not as the risk of adding rival clubs to key ECNL member areas. Maybe adds them to regional league like Beach or Legends at best.
 
Sorry to break it to you all, travel will never be based on only going to play top clubs even you're Surf or Blues. So cal is a big part of ECNL but they will never eliminate travel for so cal teams and make it worse for AZ teams. Let's be honest. Parents will always stay ECNL or GA no matter how much they complain about travel. Leagues will need to be creative this fall in some regions and eliminate travel with a plane. So Cal and Nor Cal have HS soccer in the winter but much of the Northwest is fall HS. Not sure on AZ/NV. I do believe lavers will try to limit travel but not as the risk of adding rival clubs to key ECNL member areas. Maybe adds them to regional league like Beach or Legends at best.
AZ high school soccer is a winter sport
 
No, but they can add clubs in Arizona and Nevada. $$$
That lowers the quality of the league. Nevada and AZ do not have the depth of talent to field many more teams. You need to get off this thread. Go to the SCDSL thread because that is what you want. A So Cal league. It already exists. Have your kid play in it. ECNL is optional. Lavers is not changing anything for the southwest conference. He is added teams back east to make their travel more efficient. So Cal teams still will fly to New Jersey, and drive or fly to Phoenix and Las Vegas. Get over it. You are the nightmare parent no coach or parent wants on their sidelines.
 
That lowers the quality of the league. Nevada and AZ do not have the depth of talent to field many more teams. You need to get off this thread. Go to the SCDSL thread because that is what you want. It already exists,. Have your kid play in it. ECNL is optional. A So Cal league. Lavers is not changing anything for the southwest conference. He is added teams back east to make their travel more efficient. So Cal teams still will fly to New Jersey, and drive or fly to Phoenix and Las Vegas. Get over it. You are the nightmare parent no coach or parent wants on their sidelines.
LOL. Take it down a notch. All I'm saying is more teams will be added, probably more regions as well for less travel. That echoes what Lavers said in the article. You want me to get off the thread for that? you got some problems. With more socal teams being added, AZ and NV would logically seem move to a different region. No one knows for sure what will happen other than what Lavers said, and that's more teams, less travel, more localized. If you take that as only on the east coast I disagree, especially with the recent additions.
 
With more socal teams being added, AZ and NV would logically seem move to a different region.
Actually no logically they would not. Denver is a 15 plus hour drive from Phoenix. Roughly 900 miles. Salt Lake City is 1012 hour drive and 700 plus miles.

What Lavers said he wanted to eliminate overnight after overnight type weekends. So Cal with NV and AZ doesnt have that issue. So Cal goes to a league games once to Phx and once to LV. That is not an overnight travel heavy league schedule for So Cal clubs.
 
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