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Desert Hound said:
How much do you spend on your trips to SD or from SD to LA? Many of those games are back to back Sat or Sun games. You are driving and getting hotels for some of those trips. That cost is being very optimistic $150. More realistic is $200 plus.

Why travel for those?

The difference to AZ is maybe $100 for a trip. So please stop bitching.

It is not like playing AZ and NV is $300 more vs going down to SD or driving up to LA. Those local trips that many times include hotel are at least $200.

So not a big difference. You make it seem like hey if we didn't do Az or NV we would save $300 per person while you overlook many of the local trips you make also include travel.

If you as a parent don't like travel the solution is simple. Join a local league. After all you keep telling us that there are plenty of great clubs not in ECNL that are nearby.
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You just used a lot of words to make the argument “Why pay $200 when you can pay $300?”
 
AZ and NV need southern California teams to be in a competitive league. Socal teams do not need AZ and NV to be in a competitive league. Fact. I'd rather save money and time and pick up a few more socal teams and move the other out of state teams somewhere else. Nothing lost in making a conference for just socal as far as competition. Softball kind of did this with PGF. They know most of the strong teams are in socal, so bring the competition us, not the other way around. Leverage.
 
EOTL said:
You just used a lot of words to make the argument “Why pay $200 when you can pay $300?”
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Going from SD to Arizone is a flight, motels, food, not just hop in the car and go. SD to LA is a day trip and get to sleep in your own bed. I'd say that it's A LOT cheaper playing in state than going to another. Socal has a lot of teams that are competitive...IF they wanted better competition, go north..the Bay Area and Norcal has some of the premier clubs/teams in the country.
 
EOTL said:
You just used a lot of words to make the argument “Why pay $200 when you can pay $300?”
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I did to point out the cost is not much different. You claim $300 per trip to AZ implying trave to SD for overnight is different.

The cost is not much different.
 
Soccercritique said:
Going from SD to Arizone is a flight, motels, food, not just hop in the car and go. SD to LA is a day trip and get to sleep in your own bed. I'd say that it's A LOT cheaper playing in state than going to another. Socal has a lot of teams that are competitive...IF they wanted better competition, go north..the Bay Area and Norcal has some of the premier clubs/teams in the country.
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Looking at the schedule there are more than a few sat and Sunday games that require a hotel for most. Not every game, but a couple of weekends here and there.
 
davin said:
I don't know what that other guy is crying about, but I've been to ECNL showcases before the GDA split until this year, and the fields at all the showcases I've attended have been immaculate. I don't think much has changed since you were there in 2015. I think his complaints are much ado about nothing.
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Sorry it was the championship playoffs, not showcases. My bad it has been a few years.
 
EOTL said:
Not entirely.

Let me ask you this. If you were a college soccer coach, how would you go about finding your next group of recruits? Sit in your office and read hundreds of emails every week, and diligently watch all the insufferable soccer videos set to the awful background music? Maybe blindly show up at showcases and troll games between lower tier clubs because that’s where hidden gems like Halie Mace are just waiting to be found? No!!!!

You know there will always be a lot of players on every Blues and Slammers A team who are good enough for your team, so you call those coaches in advance because you know based on years you’ve spent “recruiting” them that they’ll steer you right. They’ll tell you who’s out of your league, who’s not good enough, who doesn’t have the grades or is too smart for your state school, and who may be in your wheelhouse. Then you watch those teams at a showcase. But if you didn’t build that relationship, you get run over rough shod by the coaches who did. And maybe after you’ve watched the heavy hitter clubs where you get the most value for your time, you stick around for a lesser game to watch a kid who kept blowing up your inbox with sweet requests to watch her game and remotely tolerable videos. But you probably say screw it and hit the hotel bar, and Hailie Mace ends up at juco.

If your kid can play but stays at a lesser club, you leave a lot to chance. And that assumes she gets the same level of training, which she almost certainly won’t, because the best competition is at the big clubs, and those coaches didn’t get Cromwell’s cell number because they hit on her at a bar; they got it because they’re really good coaches who consistently churn out talent.
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Yes, and if your the blues coach you go to teams with great players and collect them like trophies on a shelf, so ya they are always good with some great players. All the while screwing any team they want, dangling that carrot of a "National Championship" title they crave. After all, it's all about the win and many of them were already recruited before they dumped the coach and teams that helped them get recruited. But the win, the victory that's what is important.
 
Copa9 said:
Yes, and if your the blues coach you go to teams with great players and collect them like trophies on a shelf, so ya they are always good with some great players. All the while screwing any team they want, dangling that carrot of a "National Championship" title they crave. After all, it's all about the win and many of them were already recruited before they dumped the coach and teams that helped them get recruited. But the win, the victory that's what is important.
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Good point. That's why US soccer is in the state that it's in...winning trumps development. And don't be fooled that just because you play for a top shelf club, they're getting the best training. I'd visit practice and see if they're focusing on development, do they scrimmage 1/2 the practice? games also are a true tale of the tape...if they're not trapping, making runs, kick ball, then yes, I'd have to say it's all about winning over development. College soccer is even more of a mess. Theres a handful of teams in the entire nation that develops and plays good soccer. Then there are others that win, but it's ugly to watch.
 
Soccercritique said:
Going from SD to Arizone is a flight, motels, food, not just hop in the car and go. SD to LA is a day trip and get to sleep in your own bed. I'd say that it's A LOT cheaper playing in state than going to another. Socal has a lot of teams that are competitive...IF they wanted better competition, go north..the Bay Area and Norcal has some of the premier clubs/teams in the country.
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Again, why are you all flying. It is not a hop but let the girls team travel. You do not need to go to AZ or NV to see the match do you? Let the player learn somethings on their trip... grow a little and see if they can survive without you all being at every practice and match. They will survive trust me.
Even at the last few tournaments here in Vegas that had Monday play my player drove himself, got ready himself, made it on time himself. He survived. Called and gave me the wrap out about the pk shootout after.

Next, you all already complain about watered down teams and easy games outside the ECNL and DA (prior) so how are NV and AZ watered down when some of the socal teams lose to our teams. Life in your bubble is only in your bubble. It is a flat perspective. So LA is willing to sit in the 405 traffic for 3hrs for a watered down game but not drive 3hrs for a more competitive game?
 
vegasguy said:
Again, why are you all flying. It is not a hop but let the girls team travel. You do not need to go to AZ or NV to see the match do you? Let the player learn somethings on their trip... grow a little and see if they can survive without you all being at every practice and match. They will survive trust me.
Even at the last few tournaments here in Vegas that had Monday play my player drove himself, got ready himself, made it on time himself. He survived. Called and gave me the wrap out about the pk shootout after.

Next, you all already complain about watered down teams and easy games outside the ECNL and DA (prior) so how are NV and AZ watered down when some of the socal teams lose to our teams. Life in your bubble is only in your bubble. It is a flat perspective. So LA is willing to sit in the 405 traffic for 3hrs for a watered down game but not drive 3hrs for a more competitive game?
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“They will survive” is an even worse reason to go to AZ or NV than “why pay $200 when you can pay $300”. If playing high level soccer is so important to you, move to where it is played.
 
Soccercritique said:
Going from SD to Arizone is a flight, motels, food, not just hop in the car and go. SD to LA is a day trip and get to sleep in your own bed. I'd say that it's A LOT cheaper playing in state than going to another. Socal has a lot of teams that are competitive...IF they wanted better competition, go north..the Bay Area and Norcal has some of the premier clubs/teams in the country.
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It’s really flattering that everyone wants to make Socal teams go to them. Anyone from Texas or Hawaii want to make their case why they’re a better option than NorCal, NV or AZ?
 
What’s wrong with making the regions smaller? There are already 8 or 9 ECNL teams in Mountain states. (CO, UT, NV, AZ, ID). Why not have the Mountain teams play each other while the coast teams play each other? Socal plays socal, norcal plays norcal, pac NW plays pac NW, mountain plays mountain.

I understand that everyone would like Blues and Slammers to come visit. But, much as I would like them to make the trip to play my daughter's team, it is not a reasonable request.
 
Desert Hound said:
I did to point out the cost is not much different. You claim $300 per trip to AZ implying trave to SD for overnight is different.

The cost is not much different.
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I have a great idea. If the cost to travel to AZ isn’t that much, and if it’s so important to you to have real teams come to you, why don’t you just pay for our travel costs? Problem solved!
 
Everyone realizes that when play resumes in 20-21 for ECNL , GAL, etc. the So Cal teams are going to NV and AZ and those teams are coming to So Cal. Everybody gets that right? You all will also go to the showcases too. Everybody is going to part with their $$$ or they won't participate.

Good players all over, and my kid plays in So Cal...and yes, I believe there is a bit of arrogance IMHO in some pockets...one of the best strikers I have seen at my DD's age group plays for SCDS in AZ...good/great players are not limited to So Cal.

An awful lot of complaining for something everybody is going to willingly do anyway. Nobody's arms are being twisted.
 
In the end it is not cheap to travel. My daughters team is going play in both ECRL and GA. That means we need to travel to AZ three times and Vegas three times. Even $300 each, it is going to be around $2000. The youth soccer is way too expensive. Mostly likely I have to skip some of the trips.
 
Woobie06 said:
Everyone realizes that when play resumes in 20-21 for ECNL , GAL, etc. the So Cal teams are going to NV and AZ and those teams are coming to So Cal. Everybody gets that right? You all will also go to the showcases too. Everybody is going to part with their $$$ or they won't participate.

Good players all over, and my kid plays in So Cal...and yes, I believe there is a bit of arrogance IMHO in some pockets...one of the best strikers I have seen at my DD's age group plays for SCDS in AZ...good/great players are not limited to So Cal.

An awful lot of complaining for something everybody is going to willingly do anyway. Nobody's arms are being twisted.
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First, I bet you are wrong. I bet ECNL will not schedule games that require overnight trips or flights until 2021 at the earliest. It will re-evaluate where things stand for 2021 in Oct-Nov.

Second, I’m not concerned about the short term problem of wasting time and money going to AZ and NV for league game because, yes, we’ll probably get back to that stupidity for a while after covid. Just like with GDA, it took three years to prove me right. ECNL will eventually add some worse clubs in those regions so they travel less. In the long term, though, Vegas and Phoenix will eventually become their own region because: (1) they obviously don’t mind the travel and it’s no farther than going to SoCal anyway; and (2) it saves SoCal clubs a ton of time and money without negatively impacting the quality of play for them. Shoot, it even saves ya’ll money because, as one of you said, SD is soooo expensive.
 
EOTL said:
First, I bet you are wrong. I bet ECNL will not schedule games that require overnight trips or flights until 2021 at the earliest. It will re-evaluate where things stand for 2021 in Oct-Nov.

Second, I’m not concerned about the short term problem of wasting time and money going to AZ and NV for league game because, yes, we’ll probably get back to that stupidity for a while after covid. Just like with GDA, it took three years to prove me right. ECNL will eventually add some worse clubs in those regions so they travel less. In the long term, though, Vegas and Phoenix will eventually become their own region because: (1) they obviously don’t mind the travel and it’s no farther than going to SoCal anyway; and (2) it saves SoCal clubs a ton of time and money without negatively impacting the quality of play for them. Shoot, it even saves ya’ll money because, as one of you said, SD is soooo expensive.
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Ok...let’s play that out. If ECNL puts together a schedule that requires no travel or overnights than the Vegas Teams will scrimmage within their club or local, the AZ teams will get tired playing themselves week after week, and many of the So Cal Teams won’t play each other. As many have suggested, if you have Eagles, RSC, and Breakers going down for a weekend to play two games in SD, say Rebels and Sharks, or those teams come up, you really think they are gonna do all that time in the car, back and forth over two days or get a room? Good luck with that.
 
dad4 said:
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); What’s wrong with making the regions smaller? There are already 8 or 9 ECNL teams in Mountain states. (CO, UT, NV, AZ, ID). Why not have the Mountain teams play each other while the coast teams play each othe
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Dumb idea. Denver is 900 miles from Phoenix. It is with stops for gas, lunch 15 hours driving.

Salt Lake is 700 miles away and 10-12 hours away.
 
Woobie06 said:
Everyone realizes that when play resumes in 20-21 for ECNL , GAL, etc. the So Cal teams are going to NV and AZ and those teams are coming to So Cal. Everybody gets that right? You all will also go to the showcases too. Everybody is going to part with their $$$ or they won't participate.

Good players all over, and my kid plays in So Cal...and yes, I believe there is a bit of arrogance IMHO in some pockets...one of the best strikers I have seen at my DD's age group plays for SCDS in AZ...good/great players are not limited to So Cal.

An awful lot of complaining for something everybody is going to willingly do anyway. Nobody's arms are being twisted.
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Really? Lavers has already publicly stated that ECNL needs to reduce travel. A mountain conference does just that.

The real complaint is that the mid level clubs in AZ and NV don’t want to play the mid level clubs from CO, UT and ID. They want to play Slammers, Blues, and Surf.

Guess what? So does everyone else. Get over it. Stop asking other people to pay extra on travel so you can upgrade your opponents.

I’m not even socal. I’m norcal. But I don’t expect socal parents pay thousand of dollars on travel for my benefit.
 
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